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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

NO CARROT ONLY STICK

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ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!

Raskolnikov38 posted:

NO CARROT ONLY STICK

Have we tried stealing all their carrots? That counts, right?

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Rutibex posted:

I like the part where the chinese communists are brutally mocking western leftists (us) for being useless and ineffectual

I mean they were born into a dictatorship of the proletariat which is also the most populous country in the world. Never has there been an easier mode for leftism.

I tell myself as I slip deeper into despair about the state of things in my country.

eSports Chaebol
Feb 22, 2005

Yeah, actually, gamers in the house forever,

pretty hip and with the times of Joe to remember to say “period” instead of “stop” when referring to a communique

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
that’s what I’d say to him too.

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

that's what tara reide said to get him to stop

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

https://twitter.com/MuseWendi/status/1528076148554534914?cxt=HHwWhMC4hafK6LQqAAAA

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

no dont come back

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

This is a pretty decent public talk if you understand some Russian. It's a couple of weeks old, but I just finally go around to watching all of it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0V8RvvTGSc

some quick points that I found interesting.

quote:

Ruble devalued on purpose, common practice for resource exporting economies. That's why it can be propped up when needed.

Socialist criticism of Russia is 100% accurate from the last 15 years, it's self evident to everyone, don't even need to spend time developing new arguments. Currently ruling class willing to adopt some socialist policies proposed by socialist economists. But not all and requires more agitation of the proletariat.

Russian government owned corporations are not really government owned. Only make up a small portion of Russian national budget. Most of the profits stay in private hands.

Belarus is a test bed for Russian reforms by the Russian ruling class. Russian capitalists will start destroying whatever government control there is left in Belarus and will privatize what they can.

All public political activity ended in 2012 in Russia. Mass imprisonment of political activists. Leftists went first. Liberals were still useful to keep around, Navalny was a useful idiot for one of the Kremlin cliques and that's why he was still allowed to exist for so long. Leftist organizations are being oppressed even more now.

All Russia's closest allies are drifting away. Russia is not economically attractive.

What happened in USSR is what a lot of theorists, including Trotsky, the lack of involvement of general public in political activity lead to a separation of bureaucracy from the working class and its interests. An estranged bureaucracy will carry out a counte revolution and win the resource it most desires, the ability for control and ownership to be inherited.

China's development still depends on cheap labour and exports. China it self is still too poor to realize the value of all the commodities produced without export. Oversimplified examples would be labour in china is 20% more expensive than India but productive output is 40% higher. 5x times cheaper than Germany but only 2x less productive. China itself is too poor, purchasing power of the working class is too weak, to realize all the value of the commodities produced.

European Union is in a stronger economic position than apparent. Financial pain will be shifted to colonial peripheries such as Africa as the crisis continues to escalate.

At least it clears up his criticism of China some what, I should probably some other videos of his on the topic.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

crepeface posted:

what did he say that was off?

You have to get into the details of it.

Like "They decided the price of a pencil" or whatever. It's oversimplified, and kind of not true. Government owned wholesalers decided what price they bought the manufactured goods at. What price the regular people bought that pencil at from the government wholesalers would change based on different things including supply and demand. Some English speaking economists refer to it as an excise tax. It also took a while for some of those prices to be determined so manufacturers had several ways that they could game the system if they wanted to. Also at some point in time the GOSPLAN just stopped evaluating and adjusting prices for like ten years.

Then just saying "It was an economy designed to win the war" kind of ignores how the economic system started forming in the 20s and there were major economic reforms being attempted since the 50s starting with Khrushchev.

I dunno maybe this guy is just a trot and thinks Stalin must have hosed it up somehow. Like I am all for his suggestion of being honest and correcting mistakes of the past. But uh he needs to start being honest with his analysis first.

HiroProtagonist
May 7, 2007

Lostconfused posted:

You have to get into the details of it.

Like "They decided the price of a pencil" or whatever. It's oversimplified, and kind of not true. Government owned wholesalers decided what price they bought the manufactured goods at. What price the regular people bought that pencil at from the government wholesalers would change based on different things including supply and demand. Some English speaking economists refer to it as an excise tax. It also took a while for some of those prices to be determined so manufacturers had several ways that they could game the system if they wanted to. Also at some point in time the GOSPLAN just stopped evaluating and adjusting prices for like ten years.

Then just saying "It was an economy designed to win the war" kind of ignores how the economic system started forming in the 20s and there were major economic reforms being attempted since the 50s starting with Khrushchev.

I dunno maybe this guy is just a trot and thinks Stalin must have hosed it up somehow. Like I am all for his suggestion of being honest and correcting mistakes of the past. But uh he needs to start being honest with his analysis first.

ben norton isn't a trot but it wouldn't surprise me if this Ross guy (who i don't know much of anything about) is like david harvey in seeming to have a tendency to fall in line with trot lines on AES, although in this case I'd probably attribute any mischaracterization about the Soviet system to having fallen on the side of China in the Sino-Soviet split, just because of where he works or whatever.

it makes sense to me anyway because a lot of rhetoric, especially during the late 50s, that was critical of Soviet domestic policy coming out of China was hard to distinguish from trot lines on the same. not 1:1 mind, just somewhat similar in characterization.

Alpha 1
Feb 17, 2012
https://twitter.com/AP/status/1528622173564424194

https://twitter.com/myhlee/status/1528622952480391169

Real dementia empire hours :dementia:

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
I think Biden’s statement wasn’t that out of the line anyway, and the White House monkey still walked it back for him. So much for touching the red line with your feather teaser.

Crusader
Apr 11, 2002


https://twitter.com/chenweihua/status/1528701535982694401?s=20&t=cbNSiLxdFhgOUxKkt59dhw

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
the powerful american emperor is putting himself in the predicament of zhuge liang's northern expeditions

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://twitter.com/PHancocksCNN/status/1528672712075649025

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1528716847620599808?t=RYopKvI9Kf4Vy-G66wKuZA&s=19

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/observingjapan/status/1528743675639083013

do either of these people have any idea what gender equity even means

do we

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
yeah it means one man for every woman and one enby for every enby. that’s gender equity

FrancisFukyomama
Feb 4, 2019

we’re doing bodies and spaces in Japan, mack


in other news China is down to triple digit Covid cases

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/NatalieRevolts/status/1528788184464777217

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
is tourism to NK completely cut off at the moment or can you quarantine

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019
Probation
Can't post for 18 hours!

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


indigi posted:

is tourism to NK completely cut off at the moment or can you quarantine

They've not been open to Tourism since the start of Covid-19, as far as I know.

webcams for christ
Nov 2, 2005

https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1528797180269629440

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019
Probation
Can't post for 18 hours!

good. it contributed to the destruction of my old neighborhood. burn.

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

that warm feeling is mao smiling down from heaven

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

https://twitter.com/PDChina/status/1528578969293004800

incredible things are happening in china

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer

hmmm, what does jackie chan have to say about this

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

fits my needs posted:

hmmm, what does jackie chan have to say about this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_s13PqMVVs

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

why is the camera operator trying so hard to be part of the video. just stand there and let the man do his thing

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

pictured: average cspam poster

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

Not So Fast posted:

They've not been open to Tourism since the start of Covid-19, as far as I know.

A Russian diplomat and his family had to row himself out of NK in one of those railroad car.

GlassEye-Boy
Jul 12, 2001
So uhh whatever happened to Evergrande? Did it ever kickoff the collapse of the Chinese economy? Was all the rage earlier this year and now not a peep.

And in other news, China is revising it's property tax's to curb housing speculation even further.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/business/china-expand-property-tax-trial-check-speculation-2264901

HiroProtagonist
May 7, 2007

dudes rock

Red and Black
Sep 5, 2011


Taiwan will be thrown under the bus by the US exactly 5 seconds after China invades

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009


ok someone needs to make a cutout of Xi and animate the tongue

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009


it kinda seems like they're moving toward strategic ambiguity where the prc isn't actually certain if the US will defend Taiwan or not lol

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
Of course the US wont defense Taiwan. They literally have to lie about it though, because the whole DPP's election pltform rely on US "will come".

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Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002
https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1528753039770718208

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