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this is also happening on May 19 quote:The Commemoration of Atatürk, Youth and Sports Day[1] (Turkish: Atatürk'ü Anma, Gençlik ve Spor Bayramı), is an annual Turkish national holiday celebrated on May 19 to commemorate Mustafa Kemal's landing at Samsun on May 19, 1919, which is regarded as the beginning of the Turkish War of Independence in the official historiography.
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Atlantic slavery seems to be one of the most evil institutions in history.
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Ardennes posted:It doesn’t matter, when the position was held, the dictator could still rule by fiat (theoretically there was veto power by tribunes but rarely used) even if he was suppose to relinquish the position. not really, the traditional 'dictator' was totally a different than what we currently conceive of the word meaning. The dictator was a limited-term position with limited powers which worked fairly well, then wasn't used for centuries. Far later, Sulla created a new position with totally different powers and limits, and called it 'dictator' to try to connect it to a past precedent. That didn't work out for him, then a little later Julius tried the same thing and got stabbed, and that was the end of calling yourself 'dictator' in Rome. It'd be like Trump having the cabinet vote him the Chairman of the Continental Congress, and say that because of that vote he can now write a new constitution unilaterally. if you want an intro hist description of the traditional roman dictatorship there's a good acoup blogpost https://acoup.blog/2022/03/18/collections-the-roman-dictatorship-how-did-it-work-did-it-work/
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Tunicate posted:not really, the traditional 'dictator' was totally a different than what we currently conceive of the word meaning. The dictator was a limited-term position with limited powers which worked fairly well, then wasn't used for centuries. Far later, Sulla created a new position with totally different powers and limits, and called it 'dictator' to try to connect it to a past precedent. That didn't work out for him, then a little later Julius tried the same thing and got stabbed, and that was the end of calling yourself 'dictator' in Rome. It only "didn't work out for them" because they were taken out with force by the aristocracy as a form of desperation. Also, the principate made the concept of a dictator obsolete but the name or position didn't matter as much as a centrally force that would then override the senate as they wished.
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May 21, 2022 21:59
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Ardennes posted:It only "didn't work out for them" because they were taken out with force by the aristocracy as a form of desperation. Also, the principate made the concept of a dictator obsolete but the name or position didn't matter as much as a centrally force that would then override the senate as they wished. Sulla wasn't taken out by force by the aristocracy, he died fat and rich on his luxurious estate taken from his enemies.
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May 22, 2022 01:59
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Yeah, that is true about Sulla, but in that case the term of dictator did essential “work out” even if it was different than previous interpretations. If anything I would say the fear about the word comes from Caesar himself who took both it out of bounds and then largely turned it on the Senate, but nevertheless it was still the result of a looser and looser interpretation of Roman laws. Also, Sulla himself was very much in control even if his overall goal was the restriction of popular movements.
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Goodmorning, Stalingrad! Lots of folks who don’t like you Had give you up for dead. But you ain’t dead! Goodmorning, Stalingrad! Where I live down in Dixie Thinkgs is bad — But they’re not so bad I still can’t say, Goodmorning Stalingrad! And I’m not so dumb I still don’t know That as long as your red star Lights the sky, We won’t die. Goodmorning Stalingrad! You’re half a world away or more But when your guns roar, They roar for me — And for everybody who want to be free. Goodmorning Stalingrad! Some folks try to tell me down this way That you’re our ally just for today. That may be so – for those who want it so. But as for me – you’re my ally Until we all free. Goodmorning Stalingrad! When crooks and klansmen Lift their heads and things is bad, I can look way across the sea And see where simple working folks like me Lift their heads, too, with gun in hand To drive the fascists from the land. You’ve stood between us well, Stalingrad! The folks who hate you’d Done give you up for dead — They were glad. But you ain’t dead! And you won’t be As long as I am you And you are me — For you have allies everywhere, All over the world, who care. And they Are with you more Than just today. Listen! I don’t own no radio — Can’t send no messages through the air. But I reckon you can hear me, Anyhow, away off there. And I know you know I mean it when I say, (Maybe in a whisper To keep the Klan away) Goodmorning, Stalingrad! I’m glad You ain’t dead! GOODMORNING, STALINGRAD!
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May 24, 2022 02:31
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Southpaugh posted:its a perfectly understandable position imo something I’ve been wondering lately, how much say does the average Chinese person have in the workings of the Communist Party?
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May 24, 2022 02:47
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Demon_Corsair posted:something I’ve been wondering lately, how much say does the average Chinese person have in the workings of the Communist Party? there are full local elections using this system with candidate winnowing by representitive committees beforehand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_approval_voting
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May 24, 2022 03:45
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I sill can't find a good book on the warlord era of 1920s china.
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I'm a big WW2 guy and someone recommended me Pacific Crucible: War at Sea in the Pacific 1941-1942. Spoilers: it's a poo poo book and it really focuses on the Japanese being a fundamentally different people, which is a massive red flag. But I've come across an interesting quote quote:So great was the blast pressure of the 18.1-inch guns that it was not safe for any man to remain in an unbroken sight line to the muzzles. Crewmen on the Musashi, stationed on the bridge or belowdecks, or crouched behind the turrets on the other side of the ship, were instructed to wear earplugs and find a handhold—even so, the blast caused them to feel as if their “guts had suddenly been thrust upwards into their throats.” Guinea pigs left in cages on deck near the guns were “blown apart” by the shock. I don't remember the IJN having live guinea pigs on their ships! Does anyone else??
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May 25, 2022 02:56
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MonsieurChoc posted:I sill can't find a good book on the warlord era of 1920s china.  It gets a few things wrong but, hey, we all do
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Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:I'm a big WW2 guy and someone recommended me Pacific Crucible: War at Sea in the Pacific 1941-1942. Spoilers: it's a poo poo book and it really focuses on the Japanese being a fundamentally different people, which is a massive red flag. But I've come across an interesting quote They were on the deck because they were holding public trials for the Musashi. On the Japanese wikipedia article for Yamato-class battleships they mention the blastwaves generated by the guns and the whole guinea pig situation: quote:In fact, during the public trials of the Musashi, when several cages containing guinea pigs were arranged on deck and the main guns were fired, more than half of the cages were blown away without a trace by the blast, and the guinea pigs in the remaining cages were so deformed from the blast pressure that almost none of them survived. Therefore, when the main guns were to fire, the exposed personnel on deck (mainly those manning the additional machine guns and anti-aircraft guns) were warned to evacuate by a buzzer operated from the main gun firing command post. However, the watchstanders at the air defense command post at the top of the bridge were not evacuated. Sakonjou Naotoshi (naval captain and navigator), who was present at Musashi's firing drill, recalled that he was at the top of the bridge when he experienced the main gun blast and nearly had his hat blown off. A soldier who witnessed the main gun's blastwave during a public trial run said, "All the dogs and monkeys we put in cages died. But they were fine as long as they were on the port deck when the main gun fired to starboard." During the maneuvers at the truck berth, soldiers exposed to the blast first put cotton in their ears, then earplugs on top of that, then covered both ears with a full flying cap, and put on an iron helmet for protection[123].
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May 25, 2022 03:13
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So they had dogs, monkeys, guinea pigs, and no birds? Seems wrong
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May 25, 2022 03:19
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Cromwell didn't genocide anyone. He was a despot but what happened in Ireland was very mild compared to what went on during the 30 years war for example. The Irish Catholics sided with Charles I in the civil wars and fought in both Scotland and England in royalist armies, but losers in civil wars got their lands confiscated and either killed or exiled.
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May 25, 2022 13:52
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MonsieurChoc posted:I sill can't find a good book on the warlord era of 1920s china. not a book, but the peoples history of ideas podcast/ is a pretty thorough look at the 1920s from the perspective of the chinese communist party. the guy also does full transcript/bibliography for every episode, so if you're interested in a particular point you could track down the source from there.
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May 25, 2022 14:31
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Antonymous posted:it would eliminate a "how this feels to me in the present time and place" as the fundamental basis for understanding the world I'm cool with eliminating poli sci too.
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redneck nazgul posted:Cromwell didn't genocide anyone. we just had this discussion in the milhist thread. You are wrong, it was a genocide, it fits the legal definition of genocide.
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Mycroft Holmes posted:we just had this discussion in the milhist thread. You are wrong, it was a genocide, it fits the legal definition of genocide. catpettered again
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redneck nazgul posted:Cromwell didn't genocide anyone. drawing up the QCS thread as we speak
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If Cromwell hadn't botched his succession it would be business as normal but he dropped the ball so now we can call it Genocide.
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Mycroft Holmes posted:we just had this discussion in the milhist thread. You are wrong, it was a genocide, it fits the legal definition of genocide. Can you link? I'd like to read that.
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Southpaugh posted:Can you link? I'd like to read that. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3950461&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=370 British history seems to be taught from the perspective of a first person shooter where the Brits are the hero player character.
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Southpaugh posted:Can you link? I'd like to read that. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3950461&perpage=40&noseen=1&pagenumber=370 starts near the bottom of the page.
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Stairmaster posted:it was cringe eh not as bad as the multiple raenir stupid question derails
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Pryor on Fire posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3950461&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=370 Yes it does. Mycroft Holmes posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3950461&perpage=40&noseen=1&pagenumber=370 Cheers
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Stairmaster posted:it was cringe yes it was
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Dreylad posted:I'm cool with eliminating poli sci too.
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"Mild compared to the 30 Years War" is a hell of a low bar
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did they ever find out what it was that went wrong with Apollo 13? obviously you can't send the NTSB up there to poke around the command module
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gradenko_2000 posted:did they ever find out what it was that went wrong with Apollo 13? obviously you can't send the NTSB up there to poke around the command module quote:Immediately upon the crew's return, NASA Administrator Paine and Deputy Administrator George Low appointed a review board – chaired by NASA Langley Research Center Director Edgar M. Cortright and including Neil Armstrong and six others[note 5] – to investigate the accident. The board's final report, sent to Paine on June 15,[153] found that the failure began in the service module's number 2 oxygen tank.[154] Damaged Teflon insulation on the wires to the stirring fan inside Oxygen Tank 2 allowed the wires to short circuit and ignite this insulation. The resulting fire increased the pressure inside the tank until the tank dome failed, filling the fuel cell bay (SM Sector 4) with rapidly expanding gaseous oxygen and combustion products. The escaping gas was probably enough by itself to blow out the aluminum exterior panel to Sector 4, but combustion products generated as nearby insulation ignited would have added to the pressure. The panel's departure exposed the sector to space, snuffing out the fire, and it probably hit the nearby high-gain antenna, disrupting communications to Earth for 1.8 seconds.[155] The sectors of the SM were not airtight from each other, and had there been time for the entire SM to become as pressurized as Sector 4, the force on the CM's heat shield would have separated the two modules. The report questioned the use of Teflon and other materials shown to be flammable in supercritical oxygen, such as aluminum, within the tank.[156] The board found no evidence pointing to any other theory of the accident.[157] https://history.nasa.gov/ap13cortright.pdf
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gradenko_2000 posted:did they ever find out what it was that went wrong with Apollo 13? obviously you can't send the NTSB up there to poke around the command module they used a damaged O2 tank from apollo 10 for the command module and it over pressurized when swigert activated the fans to stir the tanks
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And, luckily, that was the only bad thing that teflon ever did!
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