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more falafel please
Feb 26, 2005

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gwrtheyrn posted:

Looking to start brewing again after moving. My new place doesn't have a convenient place for me to hook up my immersion chiller--the kitchen faucets are all pulldowns, so I'd basically have to go outside and no thanks. Replacing one of the faucets is...well I'll do it if I have do but I'd rather not, so I'm looking at maybe doing a submersible pump, that way I can also recirculate iced water once I'm down around 100F to get the last bit done faster. Something like the 400GPM model for this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B003UXBGTI/ref=cm_sw_r_other_apa_DupVxbFYVEHY1?th=1 looks like it'd be about 2GPM at a ~4ft rise, which is not necessarily relevant since it'll be pumping back to the same elevation eventually, and I would just need a threaded adapter to connect the hose thread. Anyone else do this, and does that seem about right?

You could also tee off the cold water supply to the kitchen sink or whatever and attach a garden hose connector.

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gwrtheyrn
Oct 21, 2010

AYYYE DEEEEE DUBBALYOO DA-NYAAAAAH!

more falafel please posted:

You could also tee off the cold water supply to the kitchen sink or whatever and attach a garden hose connector.

Yeah I could, but hooking it up under the cabinet each time would be a pain, and if the connection leaked because I didn't tighten it quite enough, then it'd leak into my cabinetry instead of down the sink

tater_salad
Sep 15, 2007


I almost bought an anvil pump but with it not being able to self prime to 'suck' from a cooler I'm thinking a submersible in a bucket of ice /.cooler is a better idea.

Luceo
Apr 29, 2003

As predicted in the Bible. :cheers:



I've always just added a T to the cold water supply to the washing machine. It's already garden-hose sized and the T has a nice valve.

tater_salad
Sep 15, 2007


My basement would suck to deal with all that. I'd rather chill where.i brew so in summer.yhsts outside with a hose .. in winter though I'm usually inside so cooler with ice water is my plan.

tinned owl
Oct 5, 2021

Nice piece of fish posted:



Made a mead.

Allspice, cinnamon, orange zest, cloves, raisins, mountain honey, lalvin 71b.

Turned out very nice and spiced. Clear as water straight from fermentation. Gonna store some bottles a year for more goodness.

Also am making beer again for the first time this year, a basic american cream ale for summer. Inkbird and heater mat in a freezer doing very well tempwise.

Beautiful, sounds lovely, what sort of quantities did you use for those spices?

Nice piece of fish
Jan 29, 2008

Ultra Carp

tinned owl posted:

Beautiful, sounds lovely, what sort of quantities did you use for those spices?

Literally the recipe off CS Mead:

Ingredients:
3.5 lbs Orange Blossom Honey Sweet Squeeze
2 Cloves
1 Cinnamon Stick
6 Allspice Berries
30 Raisins Chopped
1 Cup Black Tea
1 Teaspoon Orange Zest
1/2 Teaspoon Yeast Hulls
1 Packet of Lalvin 71B
Water to fill to 1 Gallon

Except I swapped out the honey for a norwegian type honey, fruity and with some heather. So I used more orange zest to compensate. Didn't use yeast hulls, used other brew nutrients.

Month primary, two months secondary, fridged for over a week before bottling.

https://youtu.be/oYUzoFc5Pck

I believe them when they say this is one of their best recipes, it was great straight from bottling with no aging, confirmed by a panel of random tasters.

gwrtheyrn
Oct 21, 2010

AYYYE DEEEEE DUBBALYOO DA-NYAAAAAH!
Oh yeah, I was thinking of fermenting in kegs since I now have spare 5gal kegs because I don't brew that much at a time. I'm seeing that floating dip tubes are a thing, which seems more ideal to me than cutting the metal dip tube. Then, I'd probably want some sort of spunding valve because why not, and then a a tube+fittings to do pressure transfers. I suppose the transfer tube and dip tube modifications are probably not required if I just do a normal siphon transfer? My main reasons for this would be being able to ferment under pressure and that kegs fit in the bottom of my minifridge while buckets don't.

Jhet
Jun 3, 2013

gwrtheyrn posted:

Oh yeah, I was thinking of fermenting in kegs since I now have spare 5gal kegs because I don't brew that much at a time. I'm seeing that floating dip tubes are a thing, which seems more ideal to me than cutting the metal dip tube. Then, I'd probably want some sort of spunding valve because why not, and then a a tube+fittings to do pressure transfers. I suppose the transfer tube and dip tube modifications are probably not required if I just do a normal siphon transfer? My main reasons for this would be being able to ferment under pressure and that kegs fit in the bottom of my minifridge while buckets don't.

You'd still want to pull the liquid out dip tube or trim it. It will get clogged otherwise and be a location of issue for infection. If you do end up doing closed transfers, they're really great and you can use either a trimmed tube or a floating tube. There are cheap spunding options now with the KegLand Duotight stuff. Super easy to make and there are probably kit options for them now too. If not, homebrewfinds.com has pages of how to put them together to take out the guessing. It makes it really easy to ferment under pressure, dry hop under pressure, and then have a clean transfer and nail your carbonation target.

If you do ferment under pressure, you can't siphon transfer without making a mess and taking out a ton of CO2.

gwrtheyrn
Oct 21, 2010

AYYYE DEEEEE DUBBALYOO DA-NYAAAAAH!

Jhet posted:

You'd still want to pull the liquid out dip tube or trim it. It will get clogged otherwise and be a location of issue for infection. If you do end up doing closed transfers, they're really great and you can use either a trimmed tube or a floating tube.

Why would it be an issue if it's not being used for the transfer? The tube is still sitting in the wort above the trub anyways, and if you open the keg to siphon transfer, then it doesn't matter if the tube is clogged as long as you remember to clean it. Either way, sounds like a floating tube is the way to go for me.

quote:

If you do ferment under pressure, you can't siphon transfer without making a mess and taking out a ton of CO2.
Does slowly releasing pressure via PRV before opening not work? Obviously you lose the CO2, but does it cause the foam to expand and overflow or something?

Jhet
Jun 3, 2013

gwrtheyrn posted:

Why would it be an issue if it's not being used for the transfer? The tube is still sitting in the wort above the trub anyways, and if you open the keg to siphon transfer, then it doesn't matter if the tube is clogged as long as you remember to clean it. Either way, sounds like a floating tube is the way to go for me.

Does slowly releasing pressure via PRV before opening not work? Obviously you lose the CO2, but does it cause the foam to expand and overflow or something?

The normal length dip tubes will not be sitting above the trub. They will be sitting in it. It's why people trim them. They're designed to be as close to the base as possible to pull up as much liquid as possible. I forgot to trim it the first batch I did this, it made a giant mess and kept getting stuck. Floating tubes will avoid the problems of it sitting in the trub, but if you dry hop heavily you'll want to cold crash for a couple days to make sure it's not floating and clogging up the filter on the float.

If you're siphon transferring, just remove the whole tube for your fermentation and keep the pressure to a minimum. Higher pressure will foam up on you. Even releasing pressure won't get all the dissolved CO2 out of the solution and it'll still foam.

honda whisperer
Mar 29, 2009

gwrtheyrn posted:

Does slowly releasing pressure via PRV before opening not work? Obviously you lose the CO2, but does it cause the foam to expand and overflow or something?

It's basically half carbonated so it's going to keep bubbling away for a long long time. I've had a couple issues trying to dryhop stuff that was under pressure for only 3 days. Seconds 1-5 ooh that smells great. 6-10 oh no oh no. 11+ mentos and coke but beer edition.

Now I either airlock or max 2psi till dry hops are done then turn it up.

No amount of purging before hand helped.

Floating dip tubes with this setup is great though. It ends with clogging and issues instead of starting that way.

gwrtheyrn
Oct 21, 2010

AYYYE DEEEEE DUBBALYOO DA-NYAAAAAH!

Jhet posted:

The normal length dip tubes will not be sitting above the trub.
I was mostly wondering why this is an infection risk given that the tube will still be there if it's shortened, and if you're not cleaning/sanitizing it, you're screwed either way.


honda whisperer posted:

Now I either airlock or max 2psi till dry hops are done then turn it up.

No amount of purging before hand helped.

Makes sense. We'll see, the stuff I was going to order is out of stock from the vendor I was looking at, so I'll probably just do a normal bucket ferment right now since it's not so warm that I need any sort of temp control

Jhet
Jun 3, 2013

gwrtheyrn posted:

I was mostly wondering why this is an infection risk given that the tube will still be there if it's shortened, and if you're not cleaning/sanitizing it, you're screwed either way.

Easy to get stuff stuck in the tube, and people are not always the best and taking things apart or running hot caustic at this scale. You’re right about being screwed either way, but the yeast and hops don’t stick as bad if it’s not sitting right inside it.

I will normally dry hop 2-4oz and took off 3/8” I think. Nothing even gets into the dip tube now and I don’t really lose volume this way. I wish I had a second tube for batches without dry hops, but a floating dip tube would work great for that.

frogge
Apr 7, 2006


Last weekend I restarted home brewing cider after a several year homebrew hiatus.
After cleaning it out I filled up a 5gal carboy with about 4.25gal apple juice and a packet of yeast and topped it off with an airlock. I loosely followed a recipe I saw online and also added ~.8lbs of sugar on top of the sugars already in the juice figuring I can punch up the ABV a little. The recommendation was 1lb of sugar per gallon of juice, but I ran out and called it good at that. I probably should have skipped that part because it's been awhile since I've brewed and shouldn't experiment until I get the hang of it again.

The initial ferment didn't get going until four days after I started it. Probably the longest it's ever been for me. Normally I see signs of fermentation the next day if not the following day. On the third day I brought up the carboy from the basement into the house because I figured the cold might have slowed down or killed the yeast and gave it a good stir. Regardless of whether stirring it; bringing it from the basement where the ambient air temp is 58F to a room at 67F; or the yeast just needed a sec to start chomping through the added sugars- it is going absolutely bonkers now. The airlock is popping up every second or so right now.

In about a week or so when the airlock bubbles slow down will I want to put it back into the basement?

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


It all depends on the yeast you’re using. Lager yeasts operate in the 50-58F range usually. Most others operate best between 65-75F. This is a rough generalization though, it really depends on the yeast you’re using.

Do you by any chance know which one you used?

frogge
Apr 7, 2006


I actually do remember the name, "Mangrove Jack's Cider Yeast" stood out as kind of gimmicky when I got it. Reading the manufacturer's website it looks like I'm in the clear with ideal fermenting temperatures being between 64F and 75F. Thanks for inceptioning the idea to look on their website. I am basically winging it as I go.

LochNessMonster
Feb 3, 2005

I need about three fitty


frogge posted:

I actually do remember the name, "Mangrove Jack's Cider Yeast" stood out as kind of gimmicky when I got it. Reading the manufacturer's website it looks like I'm in the clear with ideal fermenting temperatures being between 64F and 75F. Thanks for inceptioning the idea to look on their website. I am basically winging it as I go.

I’m fairly new to this as well and the thread helped me with some great advice early on. Happy I can repay the favor!

I too had some temp issues in the past so this was fairly recognizable.

frogge
Apr 7, 2006


Right on. Yeah I suppose this means that when I get into the next phase I'll just sort of leave the carboy where it's at. Luckily I've got blackout curtains on the window in that room. It really smells like a brewery in there now.

Jhet
Jun 3, 2013

frogge posted:

In about a week or so when the airlock bubbles slow down will I want to put it back into the basement?

You can absolutely put it back in the cold basement once it's completely done fermenting if you want it to clear up nicely. It's like a cold-adjacent crash. Takes longer than putting it in a fridge, but easier on the space.

robotsinmyhead
Nov 29, 2005

Dude, they oughta call you Piledriver!

Clever Betty
I need some input from someone with higher levels of kegging/service knowledge. I've had a kegerator for a long time now and I also have a 2-tap and 4-tap jockey box for service at festivals but I am having constant issues with it/them.

Last weekend, we poured at a beer and wine festival. I made 2 identical kettle sour base beers and them finished them with different juices and flavorings. The first was a Pineapple Habanero (slays) and the 2nd was a Strawberry + Black Cherry Hibiscus. These were nearly identically burst carbed, served in similar kegs, on the same gas supply, and into my 2-tap box. It wasn't a particularly hot day, the kegs were on ice, the jockey box was properly chilled, etc. The PH poured amazingly all day, not a single hiccup and the SBCH was a loving disaster - constant foaming issues, chugging, and even with the foaming, coming out like it was partially degassed (less than ideal carb).

I dumped so much of it out and made approximately 60000 pressure adjustments trying a solution. My general go-to is 15-16psi, and I went as high as upper 20s, and also down to the point where it wouldn't pour (10ish). The Pineapple Habanero didn't care and poured regardless and I got maybe 5 legitimately good pours from the other one all day.

I'm at a loss explaining why this is happening and why I've had similar issues with this beer before and only this beer.

Josh Wow
Feb 28, 2005

We need more beer up here!
How do you add the strawberry flavor? Could you have strawberry seeds getting clogged in parts of the keg or line and causing nucleation points?

If you have problems in the future like that try swapping the beer lines between the two kegs. If it follows the line you know it's something with that line or faucet. If it doesn't follow the line you know it's something with the beer or keg.

robotsinmyhead
Nov 29, 2005

Dude, they oughta call you Piledriver!

Clever Betty
It was a concentrate, no seeds and unfortunately I thought of the swap too late to try it. It was a pretty frustrating day.

honda whisperer
Mar 29, 2009

Tried one of the stouts I bottled around Christmas last year. It's not bad! I'd tried a one a month and two months after bottling and they had barely carbonated. I assumed the batch lost but had the space and let it ride. I'm glad I did.

Any bottled stout enthusiasts with an opinion on how long to wait before trying another? Is there an upper limit where it starts to fall off? Definitely still a little sharp ATM.

Also 2nd year back yard hops are going ham.

Jhet
Jun 3, 2013

honda whisperer posted:

Tried one of the stouts I bottled around Christmas last year. It's not bad! I'd tried a one a month and two months after bottling and they had barely carbonated. I assumed the batch lost but had the space and let it ride. I'm glad I did.

Any bottled stout enthusiasts with an opinion on how long to wait before trying another? Is there an upper limit where it starts to fall off? Definitely still a little sharp ATM.

Also 2nd year back yard hops are going ham.



Depends on the recipe, but I’d wager after about a year for the weaker stuff, 15-18 months for export level and for strong imperial stouts anywhere from 3-9 years.

honda whisperer
Mar 29, 2009

8.5% all said and done. I don't know where that lands me in that range. It's an old Rasputin clone.

https://www.morebeer.com/products/rasputin-clone-bearded-stout-grain.html

That's a lot longer than I would have guessed. Looks like a brew once a year thing, add labels, and wait.

Jhet
Jun 3, 2013

honda whisperer posted:

8.5% all said and done. I don't know where that lands me in that range. It's an old Rasputin clone.

https://www.morebeer.com/products/rasputin-clone-bearded-stout-grain.html

That's a lot longer than I would have guessed. Looks like a brew once a year thing, add labels, and wait.

A big export or small imperial at 8.5%. I’d expect it will still be good after 2-3 years. Hard to predict the peak point of it. More hops will lend toward a longer span for me.

I do mine at about 11% and a ton of hops and normally it’s gone before 3-4 years. Years 2-3 are really nice. The oldest thing I have left is a 14% Quadrupel that’s now 7 years old and now past it’s prime. I should finish them off but there are only two bottles left and why not see how they drop off?

tater_salad
Sep 15, 2007


I did the bells expedition Stout and it STARTED being good at 1 year. Prior to that it was (hard to describe but like harsh or 'hard').

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot
I have never had a stout that tastes bad taste good with age. It might taste a bit less bad, but I don't drink slightly bad beer.

tater_salad
Sep 15, 2007


Oh no don't get me wrong it was good at 6 months. But after hanging out for about a year it was very very tasty instead of regular tasty.

Bark! A Vagrant
Jan 4, 2007

Grad school is good for mental health
Decided to break in my new fermentation station with twins - two bastard Belgian PAs/hoppy saisons with the same malt split at the boil using different single hops. The malt bill was 89% pilsner, 8% caramunich, and 3% biscuit malt. Both boiled for 60 minutes with a 60-minute hop addition scaled to hit 20 IBUs, and both had a 10-minute addition scaled to hit 10 IBUs for 30 IBUs total. One was hopped with HBC 431 and the other with HBC 586. Yeast was OYL-042 saison yeast (Blaugies)

Mash looking like yoo-hoo


In the fermenter


New fermentation station (probe sanitized and inserted into the right bucket after this picture was taken)


Pitched at 67F and going to let it rise to 72F but keep it there in the hopes of keeping the yeast phenols slightly in check.

Not sure yet whether I want to dry hops or not.

Eeyo
Aug 29, 2004

Are you doing an open fermentation for that one, or is it cooling down in the last picture?

Bark! A Vagrant
Jan 4, 2007

Grad school is good for mental health
I've been open fermenting all of my beers (at least for the first ~3-4 days). It started because the only minifridge I had access to for fermentation temperature control initially couldn't fit the fermenter + airlock; now I figure, why not, plus I'm starting to try and harvest yeast. Here's a picture from yesterday when I was testing gravity + doing a little taste test



Really happy with the color at the moment, and it's kinda wild to me how different the mash, post-boil, and current liquid looks.

One of them is a solid .005 gravity above the other, perhaps I didn't pitch quite as evenly as I thought, but I'm hopeful that time will resolve that issue.

Bark! A Vagrant fucked around with this message at 19:52 on Jun 15, 2022

Bark! A Vagrant
Jan 4, 2007

Grad school is good for mental health
The Belgian PA/Saison hybrids, thinking I'll call them BPAisons, are ready to bottle. Seeking ideas for my next twinned experiment where the beers are the same except for one thing. Thinking maybe WCIPAs with thiolized/non-thiolized yeast, but I don't have amazing oxygen control. A couple other ideas I had were Kveik at ~80 vs ~100F, and saison with wheat or same recipe but with rye. Very open to ideas

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot
Saison with wheat. Classic hop vs modern hop.

Or saison with wheat vs saison with rye. Do 30%.

thotsky
Jun 7, 2005

hot to trot
mandarina bavaria is a poo poo hop, don't understand how it ever got slightly popular

Jhet
Jun 3, 2013

thotsky posted:

mandarina bavaria is a poo poo hop, don't understand how it ever got slightly popular

I think it was one of the first of the newer batch of hops to come out of the German breeding programs. But yeah, there are many better options.

tinned owl
Oct 5, 2021
I'm going to have a metric fuckton of golden raspberries shortly, anyone point me to a general fruit mead and/or wine recipe?

Bark! A Vagrant
Jan 4, 2007

Grad school is good for mental health

thotsky posted:

Saison with wheat. Classic hop vs modern hop.

Or saison with wheat vs saison with rye. Do 30%.

Coincidentally, I started leaning towards saison with spelt vs saison with rye after tasting the saison that just carbed (drank after 6 days of bottle conditioning).



Tastes citrusy, some hay, dry, and crushable. I'm really happy with how it turned out, my only self criticism is it could use a little more complexity. I'm storing a couple bottles in the fridge and leaving a couple out for as long as I can resist to compare.

I'm thinking I'll either do a comparison of the same recipe (or maybe bump spelt up to 30%) and two different yeasts - one the same as before, and the other cultured from bottle dregs of Brewers Bridge which was an Allagash Dupont collaboration. If I'm feeling really frisky I might make it a 2x2 experiment and do rye vs spelt and the two yeasts.

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Hexigrammus
May 22, 2006

Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.
My wife and I have become addicted to Bubly/La Croix sparkling water. Ran the math and even at Costco prices I think it's time to buy a Cannonball-type 6 litre/ 1.5 gallon minikeg. I have everything I need from previous projects except the keg and keg tap, CO2 cylinder needs to go in for testing but otherwise it should just be a matter of blowing off dust and hooking things up.

Looks fairly straightforward - add water and flavouring, pressurize for 2 days @ 50 psi, drop to 5 psi for dispensing and start drinking? Is this working out for other people? Any gotchas I should know about?


The girls are having a good year so I might also make sparkling mead later in the summer. Not sure though if this is one of those "just because you can doesn't mean you should" things.



I can see the labels now: "Get Your Buzz On". The :dadjoke:s are going to be intense.

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