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kalel posted:hopefully not the one that uses an offensive slur for the Romani Its a mech that gives you a bonus for two pilots.  I don't know if Leuk-o is an offensive name, it and its meaning are not native to my culture.
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kalel posted:hopefully not the one that uses an offensive slur for the Romani See this is why the best jaeger is Cherno Alpha. Although that just made me think "Cherno Alpha Investments" and now I'm sad.
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MonsieurChoc posted:I don't mind weaker sets, they can be really fun when played on their own. I don’t like weaker sets but I get why they have to happen for Standard legal sets from time to time. Printing an eternal legal set this weak is a huge waste.
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HootTheOwl posted:Its a mech that gives you a bonus for two pilots. It'd be way worse, but it'd be more flavorful if they had to be the same power with the whole sync thing
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fadam posted:I don’t like weaker sets but I get why they have to happen for Standard legal sets from time to time. Printing an eternal legal set this weak is a huge waste. they don't have to lean on power to get it to sell, they are banking on the IP doing most of the legwork
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kalel posted:they don't have to lean on power to get it to sell, they are banking on the IP doing most of the legwork Betting this is how the LotR set shakes out, now that you say that. Most especially since they said it's not a replacement for MH3.
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Just lol if they print another commander set without dockside I would think that they would put it and the commander lotus in every commander set but I don't understand *the metrics* or whatever on how to sell to their casual crowd to keep them from just printing a million proxies.
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Sega 32X posted:Just lol if they print another commander set without dockside Dockside is gonna be in 2XM2 I bet
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TipTow posted:Betting this is how the LotR set shakes out, now that you say that. Most especially since they said it's not a replacement for MH3. Well good, I'm tired of every format MH touches being completely upended each time one shows up. Still baffled they made a set where Dragon's Rage Channeler isn't even the best red one drop in it. fadam posted:Dockside is gonna be in 2XM2 I bet Set code is 2X2.
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Wasn't the lord of the rings set going to be commander decks like the warhammer one?
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I loved the original Kamigawa block for instance, especially after how unfun bullshit Mirrodin was.
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Apparently its a 5e artifact that, but its got some obvious PR influences
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Did they ever do a card for the Apparatus of Kwalish?
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Well good, I'm tired of every format MH touches being completely upended each time one shows up. WotC fucks up literally every format they "focus" on. Commander, Modern and Historic (Alchemy cards lol) were ruined by cards which bypassed Standard and even Pauper got wrecked as a result of Modern Horizon's terrible designs. Pioneer, as of now, is the only playable eternal format unless you are into Modern Horizons block constructed or whatever MTG-adjacent game Commander has turned into. For the sake of the game I would love for WotC to stop printing non-Standard cards but those also happen to sell like hotcakes so v  v
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MonsieurChoc posted:I loved the original Kamigawa block for instance, especially after how unfun bullshit Mirrodin was. I've said it many times in this thread and others but any Standard with Kamigawa in it was incredible, even Kami/Mirrodin (after bans). The decks from that time period are just so, so cool.
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MonsieurChoc posted:I loved the original Kamigawa block for instance, especially after how unfun bullshit Mirrodin was. OG Kamigawa was great, and Betrayers was fun too, but Saviors went a little too far to the weak side, even after Mirrodin. Saviors might be the weakest set since Homelands though.
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Is Saviors worse than Prophecy? That's a real clash of the titans
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Homelands has Memory Lapse, at least, and that got banned in a sort-of-eternal format
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vegetables posted:Homelands has Memory Lapse, at least, and that got banned in a sort-of-eternal format It also has Merchant Scroll.
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sit on my Facebook posted:Is Saviors worse than Prophecy? That's a real clash of the titans Easily. It's got cards that do things, and your opponent can't pay 1 to make them not do anything.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Easily. It's got cards that do things, and your opponent can't pay 1 to make them not do anything. Rhystic study though.
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:Set code is 2X2. I'm seein' double here! Four masters!
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sit on my Facebook posted:Is Saviors worse than Prophecy? That's a real clash of the titans Prophecy is worse by a country mile if you're not counting Commander. Saviors at least had Pithing Needle and Kataki, both still see a decent amount of play.
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Katana Gomai posted:WotC fucks up literally every format they "focus" on. Commander, Modern and Historic (Alchemy cards lol) were ruined by cards which bypassed Standard and even Pauper got wrecked as a result of Modern Horizon's terrible designs. Pioneer, as of now, is the only playable eternal format unless you are into Modern Horizons block constructed or whatever MTG-adjacent game Commander has turned into. I was real excited for the first MH and thought it was a great idea But I've kinda been coming around to the same view tbh. I think a lot of the MH cards are fine, but they create these extremely pushed, really really powerful designs that end up sort of homogenizing everything. Like if you look at the top cards in Modern today: 41% Lightning Bolt 38% Endurance 34% Fury 34% Mystical Dispute 33% Engineered Explosives 32% Relic of Progenitus 30% Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer 29% Force of Vigor 28% Teferi, Time Raveler 27% Counterspell Half of them (depending on where we count Counterspell for Modern) are just straight up MH printings. The other half of the cards are almost entirely there because they answer archetypes enabled by MH so effectively. Teferi is just a dumb card in general that probably should never have been printed (I hate it so much), but it enables decks to fight the really hyper focused decks and incidentally fights two of the most popular decks in the format (being the cascade decks). Mystical Dispute is so high up because of things like Murktide being so incredibly powerful (in addition to there just being a LOT of good blue cards). Engineered Explosives is super popular because of cascade decks as well, in addition to just how much of the format is extremely efficient cards that cost 1 If you look at the creature list it's sort of even worst: 38% Endurance 34% Fury 30% Ragavan, Nimble Pilferer 27% Magus of the Moon 21% Solitude 19% Subtlety 19% Dragon's Rage Channeler 18% Brazen Borrower 15% Murktide Regent 15% Emrakul, the Promised End Pretty much all the primer threats in modern in terms of creatures are MH2. On the above list it's 7/10 cards that are printed in MH. Emrakul doesn't really count though because it's just a single sideboard card in a few of the popular decks In a lot of decks these days in Modern, you play all the good MH cards for your archetype (and if there aren't any the deck is probably not really super competitive), then you just sort of flavor your wincon with whatever 15 or less cards or so you want to use to end the game/use for card draw. Edit: I was really hoping MHs would be sort of "cards that are too powerful for standard, but aimed at a wide variety of archetypes to give new tools" and instead it's "a lot of junk, and also extremely pushed cards that are extremely generally good and everyone will need to play, few inbetweens" Weird Pumpkin fucked around with this message at 16:59 on May 25, 2022 |
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MonsieurChoc posted:Rhystic study though. That's one of the cards that has to ask the opponent for permission to work, and it became relevant in the frequently mutliplayer environment of Commander. Off off that alone you would put the set with Coastal Hornclaw, a card that asks you to blow up lands to become mediocre, above a set that has contributed more than one card to the game. Lunacy.
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mandatory lesbian posted:In first or second grade i traded a foil nidoqueen for a normal rhyhorn bc i thought it looked cooler When I went into 6th grade my step-dad told me I was too old for card games so I gave my binder full of Pokémon cards, including an original foil Charizard now worth a sickening amount of money, and my MTG cards to a kid across the street. I don't think I had any valuable mtg cards, just poo poo from the starter 99 set and a shitload of Booster Jank, but I bet a bunch of those original pokemon cards could have bought me a car.
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It's a bit of a dodgy comparison since the sets are different ages and were printed different amounts and reprints affect things etc etc etc, but Saviors has seven cards scryfall lists at >$10 for their native printing, compared to two for Prophecy. And in terms of the sets as a whole rather than a few top cards, "If you have seven cards in your hand do something unexciting" might be a bad mechanic but it's better than "sacrifice a land: do something unexciting" and "do something unexciting unless your opponent pays 1"
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Qwertycoatl posted:It's a bit of a dodgy comparison since the sets are different ages and were printed different amounts and reprints affect things etc etc etc, but Saviors has seven cards scryfall lists at >$10 for their native printing, compared to two for Prophecy. "Return an island to your hand, then if you have seven cards in hand, counter target spell" would be a wild daze
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Qwertycoatl posted:It's a bit of a dodgy comparison since the sets are different ages and were printed different amounts and reprints affect things etc etc etc, but Saviors has seven cards scryfall lists at >$10 for their native printing, compared to two for Prophecy. They're different sides of the same coin: do something you hate for an incredibly minor effect. Odyssey had a lot of that too, since the idea was to eschew card advantage (self discard, threshold) for medium effects, and also the punisher cards sucked too, but at least it had some powerful cards like Entomb. Call of the Herd, Upheaval, Sold Mongrel and Psychatog that played in that space. Also when Madness cards were made printed in Torment you were doing fun things like casting cheap wurms and lizards, and flashing back Deep Analysis. Just ignore the part where all the red cards inexplicably made you discard at random.
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https://twitter.com/BaseJeleren/status/1529497877046669313?t=YVMDMK2RvNNuTi9GiPQPPw&s=19 kitty!!!! A big flaming stink fucked around with this message at 18:51 on May 25, 2022 |
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Ghislaine of YOSPOS posted:When I went into 6th grade my step-dad told me I was too old for card games so I gave my binder full of Pokémon cards, including an original foil Charizard now worth a sickening amount of money, and my MTG cards to a kid across the street. I don't think I had any valuable mtg cards, just poo poo from the starter 99 set and a shitload of Booster Jank, but I bet a bunch of those original pokemon cards could have bought me a car. That assumes you'd have held onto them through today, instead of, say, selling them ten years ago for merely a few hundred dollars. It also assumes you'd sell them today for a car, instead of, say, holding on to them for another ten years to maybe sell them for a brand new car, or perhaps for nothing as the market collapses. This is always the problem with having regrets for not holding onto a collectible - you presume that you'd have the foresight to not sell at previous highs, but also sell at the current high, and not wait for some future high that may or may not ever happen.
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Saviors is probably part of the reason people liked Ravnica so much, kind of the same thing that happened with Prophecy going into Invasion. Also, looking at Dawnglare visualizer for Prophecy, it had some solid cards, like Avatar of Woe, Plague Wind, Infernal Genesis, Dual Nature, the spellshaper legends, Citadel of Pain... and literally nothing else Looks like saviors has a lot more commander cards though, miren, the moaning well, Michiko Konda, Sakashima, the epic spells, Eraya, Soratami Ascendant and the rest of that cycle, Mikokoro. God, Prophecy limited must have been painful
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Lone Goat posted:They're different sides of the same coin: do something you hate for an incredibly minor effect. Discard at random sucks but gamble would be pretty broken otherwise (apologies if this isnt the gamble set)
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A Moose posted:
I don't think you would have ever played with more than one pack in draft/a couple in sealed since this was back in the block days but yeah those packs must have sucked. At least it wasn't like pre-mirage sets where grey ogres were the only common creatures available in certain colors?
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ilmucche posted:"Return an island to your hand, then if you have seven cards in hand, counter target spell" would be a wild daze Lol remember the og Kamigawa Moonfolk?
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Was Mortal Combat Prophecy? That's a fun card if not a good one.Lone Goat posted:They're different sides of the same coin: do something you hate for an incredibly minor effect. Threshold could come back and be good, I feel.
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A Moose posted:Saviors is probably part of the reason people liked Ravnica so much, kind of the same thing that happened with Prophecy going into Invasion. Also, looking at Dawnglare visualizer for Prophecy, it had some solid cards, like Avatar of Woe, Plague Wind, Infernal Genesis, Dual Nature, the spellshaper legends, Citadel of Pain... and literally nothing else I know ced and psully talked about here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3n2S0BTPu40
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mandatory lesbian posted:Discard at random sucks but gamble would be pretty broken otherwise (apologies if this isnt the gamble set) Gamble was in Saga, and yeah I agree. I'm talking about immensely forgettable poo poo like this  Cards in all colours let you discard to activate abilities, but all the red ones discarded at random because 'lol red so wacky' or whatever, so it was basically unplayable.
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