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ASAPI posted:This is incredibly strange. I think he just pulled up and parked there from my understanding.
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davecrazy posted:So as usual most of the initial information was bullshit? Hey remember the car bomb at the state department during 9/11? That’s always my classic go to for initial information is probably inaccurate.
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davecrazy posted:So as usual most of the initial information was bullshit? Good chance it was the usual suspects stirring up poo poo and muddying the waters
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May 25, 2022 17:33
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davecrazy posted:So as usual most of the initial information was bullshit? There's currently a tornado of bullshit interlaced with a hurricane of horseshit and a lot of the police involved in the whole thing have heavy incentives to lie too! So we're probably not going to get a true tick-tock for a few days. An actual story on the shooter: https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2022/05/25/uvalde-texas-school-shooting-gunman/ https://twitter.com/DougJBalloon/status/1529286297495511041
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bulletsponge13 posted:Just out of curiosity- did I describe the current TTP incorrectly from your training? So the training was basically if there are indicators people are being hurt, or are hurting(shooting/stabbing/etc) others, you go in and stop it. *You don’t wait for backup, necessarily.* If you’re the only one there at the time you hear gunshots, screaming, etc you enter and move quickly to the threat. (I guess if your at the door and you see another unit, trooper, deputy, etc rolling up NOW waiting might work for a few seconds but if dispatch advises units 5 minutes out and you hear shooting you don’t wait.) You don’t stop to attend the wounded as long as you can hear or see or sense indicators that the situation is active. Most of the training we did was 2-3 folks entering the buildings though. But that had more to do with the logistics of getting students thru the training efficiently. [As an aside- I’m no longer in LE. I did it about 3 years then went back to (commercial) sailing (though with ferries so see my kids everyday) I still shoot on the regular, though mostly handgun and .22s.]
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May 25, 2022 17:39
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And now they're saying that the shooter ran into a school cop, they slung some bullets, and that's why he went into that room, killed everyone, then barricaded. https://twitter.com/BillFOXLA/status/1529498346565533697?t=jNaaG2vaJzxDeqaElk7LqA&s=19
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May 25, 2022 17:54
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Dingleberry posted:So the training was basically if there are indicators people are being hurt, or are hurting(shooting/stabbing/etc) others, you go in and stop it. Thank you for sharing. It's pretty much how I understood it from my learning, but I've never been upset I learned something.
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May 25, 2022 17:55
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davecrazy posted:So as usual most of the initial information was bullshit? Yup, pretty much every time a chaotic event happens, initial info is to be taken with a boulder of salt. Especially so for activite shooter events.
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May 25, 2022 18:02
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facialimpediment posted:And now they're saying that the shooter ran into a school cop, they slung some bullets, and that's why he went into that room, killed everyone, then barricaded. So in other words, very ineffective.
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May 25, 2022 18:07
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Bored As gently caress posted:Yup, pretty much every time a chaotic event happens, initial info is to be taken with a boulder of salt. Especially so for activite shooter events. If you've ever read The Wheel of Time, the epilogues where rumors get mixed and tumbled about is a great example of this.
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May 25, 2022 18:09
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Marshal Prolapse posted:I think he just pulled up and parked there from my understanding. Dudes truck had a broken front wheel and it was obviously "crashed" into the ditch. But, like others have said, information is changing.
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May 25, 2022 18:12
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Reminder that because of varied witness reports, at Columbine police expected more than two shooters, with several going on record as saying they thought between 6 and 12. 911 kept getting different answers- "What were they wearing?" The shooters changed their look as they went about, removing clothing, putting on hats, etc, leading to police chasing ghosts in t shirts. Beside the worthlessness of witness reports, the biomechanical actions in fear undermine reliability, and just chaos, all early reports should be disregarded until confirmation.
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I also remember hearing that part of the reason local LEO couldn't stop him is that he was "wearing body armor," which we now know to be false.
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maffew buildings posted:Here I am being dumb enough to read articles saying he was engaged before going into the school, 20 cops were on scene yet 21 are dead and hoping this could result in outcry or reform about police being cowards whats the point of rampant overtime fraud if you get hurt and cant enjoy it
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BIG HEADLINE posted:I also remember hearing that part of the reason local LEO couldn't stop him is that he was "wearing body armor," which we now know to be false. That disgusts me even more than usual. Who loving cares if he's armored? He could be a loving Iron Man suit, that doesn't mean you let him go about his business. You have at least 45 rounds- make him count every loving one.
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https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1529519363090530310?t=egoUIiLPznRdR1YhnzVXqg&s=19 Edit: clarification tweet https://twitter.com/andymstone/status/1529524398105014274?t=FGcJeRPHAohmmrOWmlOsCg&s=19 Also Beto showed up to yell at Abbott and of people, Ted Cruz told him not to pull a stunt https://twitter.com/mikedebonis/status/1529520913347223552?t=SPB-2dOsSts_j1_8ZTc_Fg&s=19 https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1529521827902636032?t=5EMjL5SWwUQah2972Lemxg&s=19 facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 19:21 on May 25, 2022 |
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1st amendment doesn't include political speech in the brain trust of texas lawmen assembled on stage. What a collection of moral midgets.
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Good on Beto, even if it was a stunt. They are the sick sons of bitches, not him. By the way: NRA convention is in Texas next week, sure you can't guess what Governor is showing up there.
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May 25, 2022 19:40
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stealie72 posted:Beto should have thrown his shoes at Abbot. Speaking of which (shoes) GWB was apparently the target of an assassin. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna30330 FWIW I wish Bush was rotting away in some low -security prison in some EU country over the Iraq fiasco. He lit the fuse. He sucks. When he came out recently on political things and people were all “his thoughts are so poignant” I wanted to vomit on my own head.
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facialimpediment posted:https://twitter.com/JonLemire/status/1529519363090530310?t=egoUIiLPznRdR1YhnzVXqg&s=19 If ever there was stereotype of a Texas pig, dear god there they sit.
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I would rather wild political stunts at this point than the same "thoughts and prayers, we really could have done nothing about this" naval gazing that usually happens. Like at this point if the legislative response to kids being shot up every so often is gonna be either "THROW MORE MONEY AT POLICE" or thoughts and prayers I'd rather they just all shut the gently caress up and admit that they'll accept it's just the price of being the land of cheap guns and even cheaper lives.
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Defenestrategy posted:I would rather wild political stunts at this point than the same "Hopes and prayers, we really could have done nothing about this" naval gazing that usually happens. Well in Texas the response is "WE NEED EVERY (white) TEXAN TO HAVE A GUN NOW" https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/659427797853536256
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Stultus Maximus posted:Well in Texas the response is "WE NEED EVERY (white) TEXAN TO HAVE A GUN NOW" AK-47's for everyone is a great policy in Tropico, not so much a solution for a country in which everyone[white] can have a gun cheaply anyway.
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I had a smidge of respect for Dubya for a few years. He seemed to be somewhat remorseful. Still hated him and thought he should hang. He's done well cultivating this aura of "Aw, sucks, fellas. They tricked me too!" Then he laughed at his little faux pas of Iraq/Ukraine. For legal reasons, my opinion will remain unstated, but I would love to sit him down and force him to watch grown men weep, wake him up at night screaming.
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Stultus Maximus posted:Well in Texas the response is "WE NEED EVERY (white) TEXAN TO HAVE A GUN NOW" This tweet was from 2015, but I get your point. What I am confused about is: if the elite, fully armored, armed, and trained "law enforcement professionals" are sucking so hard at taking out a school shooter, how do they expect Ms Foxy to do much better with her desk pistol? The "professionals" sucked and they were trained.
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ASAPI posted:What I am confused about is: if the elite, fully armored, armed, and trained "law enforcement professionals" are sucking so hard at taking out a school shooter, how do they expect Ms Foxy to do much better with her desk pistol? "Popular right wing figure says x, so therefore we must x" is all they need.
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ASAPI posted:This tweet was from 2015, but I get your point. Yeah I know it's an old tweet but the sentiment has not changed quote:In a Tuesday interview with the conservative Newsmax TV channel, Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton said the right response was to ensure more people had access to firearms to stop shootings.
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If we arm everyone in the school, we can get the average number of kids killed per mass shooting to under 10, I'm sure of it.
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psydude posted:If we arm everyone in the school, we can get the average number of kids killed per mass shooting to under 10, I'm sure of it. inb4 "an armed playground is a polite playground"
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https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/1529540147284480001?t=9wirL1ZdX6nAswtAoRC9iw&s=19 And yes, the conservative dogma is that more guns in schools are automatically better. That's simply the stated party position. They are perfectly happy if the kindergarten teacher accidentally forgets to lock up her .38 special and little Colton blows his face off. That's one more gun in a school so it's better!
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It's not going to change without a massive shift in the entire American conservative movement. In other countries, it only took one event of this magnitude to drastically change gun laws. The Hungerford massacre for England; the École Polytechnique massacre for Canadian; and the Port Arthur massacre for Australian. But Sandy Hook came and went and almost nothing changed politically speaking.
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Has anyone consulted The Free Market for potential solutions to school shootings yet?
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its a mental illness issue in that there are tens of millions of utterly deranged conservatives out there with delusions of shooting a black person walking through the neighborhood, at best, and who have worked themselves into the most intense victim complex in human history
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maffew buildings posted:Has anyone consulted Elon Musk for potential solutions to school shootings yet? FTFY
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maffew buildings posted:Has anyone consulted The Free Market for potential solutions to school shootings yet? Monetize it, pay schools a bonus for each child surviving at the end of each day
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Monetize it, pay schools a bonus for each child surviving at the end of each day They’ll start denying admission to people with pre-existing conditions.
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Wrong Theory posted:FTFY Making everyone who purchases a firearm also carry around a tesla battery would stop a few mass shootings.
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