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The worst ones are the Avengers movies, including Civil War, and the best are the ones with any personality (Iron Man 1, Cap 1 and 2, GOTG 1, Doctor Strange 2). Most of the rest are various shades of fine or forgettable.
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After all this time I still have no idea why anyone thinks either gotg movie is good. They're comedies that have one good joke each, if that, and they still want to be taken seriously in the last 10 minutes. I agree that all of the avengers movies are kinda meh though. They try too hard to be big crossovers that include everyone, especially the later ones, so they end up being really messy.
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May 25, 2022 10:28
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Mymla posted:After all this time I still have no idea why anyone thinks either gotg movie is good. They're comedies that have one good joke each, if that, and they still want to be taken seriously in the last 10 minutes. They're fun space/heist movies with actual developed characters. Also GotG2 marked the point where Marvel finally got its poo poo together in terms of delivering interesting villains with Kurt Russell's Ego(though GotG1 gets honorable mention for just clowning on Ronan as a self-serious asshat).
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May 25, 2022 10:41
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LesterGroans posted:The worst ones are the Avengers movies, including Civil War, and the best are the ones with any personality (Iron Man 1, Cap 1 and 2, GOTG 1, Doctor Strange 2). Most of the rest are various shades of fine or forgettable. Winter Soldier is legitimately one of the best action movies ever made, it’s seriously a completely smoking sick flick, even divorced from Marvel or Captain America or anything else and I so happy for Sebastian Stan to be having his big moment right now, he really seems like the nicest guy. I loved GotG but found 2 to be really shlocky and overwritten and entirely too charmed with itself, a big stinker!
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May 25, 2022 11:26
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Bust Rodd posted:I loved GotG but found 2 to be really shlocky and overwritten and entirely too charmed with itself, a big stinker! 2 didn't work for me at all. It would have helped if they didn't do a repeat of every single joke they made in the first film. I liked that it was at least trying to do some interesting stuff with Quill and Rocket and Michael Rooker, so I appreciate that.
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May 25, 2022 11:32
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Iron Man 3 would be better if they hadn't torpedoed the plan to make Maya the villain
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GOTG films are among the best of the MCU for me. Then Civil War, Black Panther, Iron Man 3 and 1. After that Wandavision and Moon Knight. Then Ragnarok and Winter Soldier. I do think Winter Soldier is really good but certainly not among the best action films of all time imo as above asserts though I do think it did some really cool things. I like all the Avengers film well enough with Endgame being the best and Infinity War being the worst. Infinity War is I think strong evidence that as long as the last act is awesome, then you can get away with a lot of the film being messy and meandering (see also: Rogue One). After that comes the rest of the MCU which are varying shades of good enough, with the worst being uninspired as opposed to being outright bad which is probably the key to their success. Where to place Strange 2? Raimi is my favourite director but it's in the lower half of his films for me. But then again most of his films are absolute bangers so I kinda got to put it in the top 5 MCU I reckon. Karloff fucked around with this message at 16:45 on May 25, 2022 |
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May 25, 2022 13:41
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Karloff posted:GOTG films are among the best of the MCU for me. Then Civil War, Black Panther, Iron Man 3 and 1. After that Wandavision and Moon Knight. Then Ragnarok and Winter Soldier. I do think Winter Soldier is really good but certainly not among the best action films if all time imo as above asserts though I do think it did some really cool things. I like all the Avengers film well enough with Endgame being the best and Infinity War being the worst. Infinity War is I think strong evidence that as long as the last act is awesome, then you can get away with a lot of the film being messy and meandering (see also: Rogue One). After that comes the rest of the MCU which are varying shades of good enough, with the worst being uninspired as opposed to being outright bad which is probably the key to their success. The Elevator Fight in Winter Soldier is one of the most badass superhero fights in any movie.
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May 25, 2022 16:15
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:The Elevator Fight in Winter Soldier is one of the most badass superhero fights in any movie. Fury's car chase is a top five action scene in the MCU. It might even be number one.
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May 25, 2022 16:38
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:The Elevator Fight in Winter Soldier is one of the most badass superhero fights in any movie. It is cool, and Winter Soldier is a really good action film. But not best of all time status imo, nor even of the year it came out, The Raid 2 and John Wick came out that same year I think.
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May 25, 2022 17:28
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teagone posted:Lol, these are some busted MCU movie rankings imo. i'm glad it wasn't just me going "the gently caress?"
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May 25, 2022 17:32
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I mean where each MCU movie falls on your own personal scale is of course up to you but acting like there's an Official Tier List where Dr. Strange got put in B Tier is...well it's just not a thing, is it?
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May 25, 2022 20:30
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There is an official tier list, it just coincidentally looks exactly like my personal one
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May 25, 2022 20:34
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My tier list is basically my favorite all time directors list lol MCU snagged my top two of all time
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If the Marvel movies are the biggest and most successful films of all time and The Winter Soldier is widely regarded to be the best action film in the marvel franchise, how many movies would you put in front of it in terms of best action movies ever made? 15, 20? I dunno, it’s not a mind-be ding genre defining masterpiece like The Matrix or Ong Bak, ok, but it’s still insanely badass, like a hybrid of the Bourne films with the tech of Mission: Impossible. I don’t think most marvel movies deserve the praise they get, honestly, it that one really stands out from the pack, IMO
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May 26, 2022 02:47
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I could easily name 50.
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Bust Rodd posted:If the Marvel movies are the biggest and most successful films of all time and The Winter Soldier is widely regarded to be the best action film in the marvel franchise, how many movies would you put in front of it in terms of best action movies ever made? 15, 20? Just from the last decade-ish I'd easily put at least 15 films ahead of it, yeah. Personally, off the top of my head: Mad Max Fury Road, John Wick 1/2/3, Alita Battle Angel (bias, but whatever), The Raid/The Raid 2, MI Ghost Protocol/Rogue Nation/Fallout, Fast Five (does the whole Avengers gimmick better than the Avengers 2012 did), Snowpiercer is a superior, much cooler action film with Chris Evans, Emily blunt thriller/actioners like Sicario and Edge of Tomorrow are better/more entertaining for me, Kate (underrated Netflix joint, everyone go watch it), Furie (also on Netflix I think? It's good, everyone watch this also), even from Marvel's own crop I'd probably put Shang-Chi above Winter Solider tbh. I just saw Top Gun Maverick, and 100% put that over Winter Soldier too. Lotta Tom Cruise poo poo in this post, lmao. Can't beat Tom Cruise. I could probably name more but I'm tired. [edit] Oh yeah, Skyfall. Best Craig bond imo. Better than Winter Soldier for sure. [edit 2] I guess for point of reference, I only consider a handful of MCU movies really good. Those include Doctor Strange 1/2, GOTG1, the Iron Man trilogy (yes, even Iron Man 2; it is one of the prettier MCU films, don't care), Captain America The First Avenger, The Incredible Hulk, and Thor Ragnarok. Most other MCU films I find either fine or middling. I dislike Avengers 1 and 2, Ant-Man 2, GOTG2, and Thor 2. Those are the only MCU movies I think are really bad. To be clear, I think Winter Soldier is fine, and even considered it one of MCU's best at one point, but after a couple subsequent watches over the years, I personally feel like it doesn't really hold up all that well outside of like 1 or 2 action set pieces. Pretty boring actually. Something about Winter Soldier's editing just doesn't hit quite as hard as it did the first time I saw it. teagone fucked around with this message at 09:19 on May 26, 2022 |
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LesterGroans posted:The worst ones are the Avengers movies, including Civil War, and the best are the ones with any personality (Iron Man 1, Cap 1 and 2, GOTG 1, Doctor Strange 2). Most of the rest are various shades of fine or forgettable. Karloff posted:It is cool, and Winter Soldier is a really good action film. But not best of all time status imo, nor even of the year it came out, The Raid 2 and John Wick came out that same year I think. Assepoester fucked around with this message at 09:48 on May 26, 2022 |
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May 26, 2022 09:45
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The Winter Soldier doesn't really hold up today at all. There are maybe 3 memorable sequences (boat, elevator and winter soldier reveal) that I can recall and many really bad ones (apple, computer man, the last 30?? minutes)
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May 26, 2022 11:22
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I feel like every for fight scene in Winter Soldier is sick. I’m not saying it’s better than Predator or Terminator 2 or Fury Road or Raimi’s Spider-Man 2, I’m saying that in the grand scheme of movies, there are maybe a couple hundred truly amazing works of action movie cinema, and to me The Winter Soldier is one them. Out of the literal millions of films that exist, The Winter Soldier is one of the best action movies that exist. The Raid 2 fuckin sucks and takes way too long to get anywhere and the 40 minute side story in act 3 about the homeless assassin is a pure vanity project that ruins the film. Not worth watching unless you’re an absolute diehard Muay Thai//martial arts addict. A good action movie also has to function as a movie, I don’t think an action movie is a good movie if you’d just skip through the boring plot parts on a rewatch, and I would absolutely not watch The Raid 2 again. Or honestly John Wick 2 and 3 again, same reasons.
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May 26, 2022 11:40
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Bust Rodd posted:how many movies would you put in front of it in terms of best action movies ever made? If we're just talking the 21st century? Mission: Imossible 4/5/6, The Raid 1/2, Fast Five/Furious 6, Undisputed II/III, John Wick 1/2/3, Miami Vice, Collateral, Alita, Edge of Tomorrow, Mad Max: Fury Road, Universal Soldier: Regeneration/Day of Reckoning, Avengement, Creed, Warrior, The Matrix Reloaded, SPL II: A Time for Consequences, Ip Man, The Grandmaster, Spider-Man 2, Aquaman, The Night Comes for Us, Baahubali 2: The Conclusion, Hot Juzz, Ninja: Shadow of a Tear, Man of Tai Chi, Apocalypto, Minority Report, Jack Reacher, 300, Dredd, Casino Royale, Kill Bill Vol. 1/Vol. 2, Death Proof, The Protector, Blood and Bone, Haywire, Hero, District B13, Speed Racer, Hanna, 13 Hours: The Secret Soldiers of Benghazi, Furie, Upgrade.
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teagone posted:[edit 2] I guess for point of reference, I only consider a handful of MCU movies really good. Those include Doctor Strange 1/2, GOTG1, the Iron Man trilogy (yes, even Iron Man 2; it is one of the prettier MCU films, don't care), Captain America The First Avenger, The Incredible Hulk, and Thor Ragnarok. Most other MCU films I find either fine or middling. I dislike Avengers 1 and 2, Ant-Man 2, GOTG2, and Thor 2. Those are the only MCU movies I think are really bad. To be clear, I think Winter Soldier is fine, and even considered it one of MCU's best at one point, but after a couple subsequent watches over the years, I personally feel like it doesn't really hold up all that well outside of like 1 or 2 action set pieces. Pretty boring actually. Something about Winter Soldier's editing just doesn't hit quite as hard as it did the first time I saw it. And I thought my MCU takes were wild
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May 26, 2022 11:53
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asking a rhetorical question in CineD was my first mistake, lol
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May 26, 2022 11:54
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Valve Steam Deck posted:Civil War is better than the avengers movies because at least it understands that iron man is a villain Yeah, it's the best of the "Avengers" movies, but it still gets bogged down a lot. Easily the worst of the Captain America trilogy.
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May 26, 2022 11:59
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I only remember the airport fight from Civil War and the rest of the movie just leaks out my ears, I’ve seen it at least 3 times.
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May 26, 2022 12:02
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The airport fight is so bad, despite Paul Rudd doing his best to bring any life to it.
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Collateral is such a good movie
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I like that the airport fight begins with a tease that there might be some interesting variation in location with them fighting in the terminal building and then nope uh let's just go right back into this bland featureless tarmac.
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Bedshaped posted:I like that the airport fight begins with a tease that there might be some interesting variation in location with them fighting in the terminal building and then nope uh let's just go right back into this bland featureless tarmac. Yeah, it threatens to do interesting stuff (different levels of action with Giant Man and the flying superheroes! Different parts of the airport with Bucky/Falcon/Spider-Man!) but it all just ends up lifeless and bland. Running at each other on a grey tarmac is a perfect opener for that scene.
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May 26, 2022 12:15
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I think it’s a great example of how Super-Hero stuff really needs civilians running around and screaming and office buildings collapsing and cars crashing into each other on a crowded bridge, without those elements a big superhero fight is just adults in their PJ’s doing epic LARP moves to each other and saying “I gotchu, I totally gotchu!”
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Yeah, and it's almost like having normal people around during this confrontation might also help illustrate the entire point of the movie.
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I absolutely love The Raid 2 and love how they did a 180 from the first film and made an epic sweep of a film instead of the first's tightness. Every action sequence is awesome, especially the car chase which has some of the most incredible camera moves I've ever seen (one of which involved having a camera person dress up like a car seat to perform it). I like Winter Soldier a lot but they ain't even in the same league for me. Karloff fucked around with this message at 12:45 on May 26, 2022 |
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Karloff posted:I absolutely love The Raid 2 and love how they did a 180 from the first film and made an epic sweep of a film instead of the first's tightness. Every action sequence is awesome, especially the car chase which has some of the most incredible camera moves I've ever seen (one of which involved having a camera person dress up like a car seat to perform it). I like Winter Soldier a lot but they ain't even in the same league. I respect your opinion but I’m really not a fan of when a movie takes what is widely regarded to be its greatest strength (the tight-as-gently caress lightning quick screenplay and hyper focused breakneck pacing) and just doing the complete opposite of that. I think it can work (Alien to Aliens is the best example) but I really felt a huge letdown in The Raid 2 for this exact reason.
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Bust Rodd posted:I respect your opinion but I’m really not a fan of when a movie takes what is widely regarded to be its greatest strength (the tight-as-gently caress lightning quick screenplay and hyper focused breakneck pacing) and just doing the complete opposite of that. I think it can work (Alien to Aliens is the best example) but I really felt a huge letdown in The Raid 2 for this exact reason. And we loop back to Doctor Strange
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Raid 2 is a great movie, but I'd put it on the same level as Winter Soldier because bathroom, prison yard, subway car, hallway/kitchen are it. The homeless assassin stuff brings nothing to the movie. In terms of modern action films I'd put Raid 1, Fury Road, Wick 1, Dredd, Nobody, Atomic Blonde, Kate, and The Accountant up there.
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Karloff posted:I absolutely love The Raid 2 and love how they did a 180 from the first film and made an epic sweep of a film instead of the first's tightness. Then you'll love to hear that The Raid 2 was meant to be the first movie, but because of its scale they decided they'd have to make a smaller picture first.
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:Raid 2 is a great movie, but I'd put it on the same level as Winter Soldier because bathroom, prison yard, subway car, hallway/kitchen are it. The homeless assassin stuff brings nothing to the movie. In terms of modern action films I'd put Raid 1, Fury Road, Wick 1, Dredd, Nobody, Atomic Blonde, Kate, and The Accountant up there. The Accountant? I can't think of a good action scene in there E: Kate's great but it only has great action scene, the restaurant one. The rest is just CGI gunfire. Cool colors tho E2: I actually watched a premiere of Raid 2 with the director present. I love that movie but it is a sloppy wet mess that didn't know who it wanted its main character to be lol Shageletic fucked around with this message at 15:23 on May 26, 2022 |
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Bust Rodd posted:asking a rhetorical question in CineD was my first mistake, lol Not a mistake imo. Cultivating discussion is the very purpose of this forum!
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Rarity posted:And I thought my MCU takes were wild MCU Phase 1 (minus Avengers), really hits different compared to most of the recent MCU fare if you go back to them.
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LesterGroans posted:If we're just talking the 21st century? gottem and also agreed
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