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That’s an extremely silly argument in a character with at the time 800 issues. Though it isn’t really an argument more a bad faith attempt at an own
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CharlestheHammer posted:That’s an extremely silly argument in a character with at the time 800 issues. I am not sure you know what 'Bad faith" means. it not a 'bad faith' anything, it's just my reading of it. I am sorry you do not agree with it. I am not telling anyone else they are wrong.
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May 25, 2022 20:08
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I don't fully agree with Chip but I see his point. Like if Spidey all of a sudden started punching heads off, you can say "Spidey wouldn't do that" and that's valid, especially if it just started happening without any reason given. Characters that have been around for like 60 years tend to have a history of acting and thinking certain ways, and when someone comes along and breaks that, I think it's perfectly fine for people to criticize it.
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May 25, 2022 20:20
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i think i am the weirdo that, unless it's a major shift, i tend to just roll with the changes/voice of the new writer. I feel like these characters aren't real, and if a version i do not like or agree with comes along, i can easily dip out and come back in like a year or 2 when stuff resets. I know some people are more invested or passionate about certain characters, so maybe i am just apathetic to changes in characters because after 30+ years of reading comics, I have been through the cycle so many times.
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May 25, 2022 20:27
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i think the important point is the length of time slott was on the book. like yeah if spidey does some weird poo poo in a one off mini just move on, but writing a character over a decade of time i think chip is right that that is what the character is until someone else comes along and it's not anymore
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May 25, 2022 20:32
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enigmahfc posted:i think i am the weirdo that, unless it's a major shift, i tend to just roll with the changes/voice of the new writer. I feel like these characters aren't real, and if a version i do not like or agree with comes along, i can easily dip out and come back in like a year or 2 when stuff resets. I know some people are more invested or passionate about certain characters, so maybe i am just apathetic to changes in characters because after 30+ years of reading comics, I have been through the cycle so many times. I think it's something one has to learn to stay with the medium, because eventually they're coming for everyone. No character is safe from an awful characterization. Currently waiting on the next Phoenix force reset.....
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May 25, 2022 20:37
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I'm surprised echo still has it tbh
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May 25, 2022 20:39
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I'm half expecting there to be some kind of hand-off during AXE. Or at the very least a fight between Echo and Jean.
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May 25, 2022 21:04
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enigmahfc posted:I am not sure you know what 'Bad faith" means. oh no believe me, he knows exactly what bad faith means
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May 25, 2022 22:07
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CharlestheHammer posted:That’s an extremely silly argument in a character with at the time 800 issues. I'm not going to bat for Slott here but I wouldn't bring up 800 issues of Amazing as an argument against him considering he is arguably 150 of those. Like, more than any other writer on Amazing and more than many others combined. But obviously there's far more to Spider-Man than just Amazing anyway.
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May 25, 2022 23:13
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The Echo-Jean confrontation is going to go one of two ways, depending on which writer exactly gets to tackle it. Either Echo will come at Jean with a whole lot of brute force bravado and Jean will be like "lol no I know all ur fenixy tricks" and put her down with some finessed telepathy. Or, Jean will seem to do that, but Echo will then go "you're old news, you were never the real Phoenix but I'm definitely no takebacks the best Phoenix ever actually and also absolutely Thor's mom for realsies no matter what!" and then yeet her into space or something. Which will happen? Well, Jason Aaron isn't writing any of this event afaik so chances of the latter are substantially slimmer.
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May 25, 2022 23:21
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It'd be funny if they just have a calm discussion about it. Like what usually happens when your current SO meets an ex you're friendly with.
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May 25, 2022 23:30
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Well, it sure would be nice if any Avenger and any X-Men could ever actually just have a calm discussion about things, and yet..
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May 25, 2022 23:35
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Skwirl posted:It'd be funny if they just have a calm discussion about it. Like what usually happens when your current SO meets an ex you're friendly with. Kinda like Batman and Captain America in JLA/Avengers. I loved the characterization of that moment.
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May 26, 2022 00:28
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Nilbop posted:Kinda like Batman and Captain America in JLA/Avengers. I loved the characterization of that moment. Wasn't it like, they fight briefly and Batman's all "you'll probably eventually win, but it will take so long to get to that point, let's do something useful instead." Been a while since I've read JLA/Avengers.
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May 26, 2022 00:50
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They had a number of friendly conversations at the Hellfire Gala and then they had some friendly conversations in Trial of Magneto.
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May 26, 2022 00:51
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Skwirl posted:Wasn't it like, they fight briefly and Batman's all "you'll probably eventually win, but it will take so long to get to that point, let's do something useful instead." Been a while since I've read JLA/Avengers. They squared off and Batman conceded that, yeah. I'm also thinking that AXE is gonna be more like Avengers in the middle. Also in the latest X-Men, Scott is saying how he hates lying to the Avengers and wants to be honest with them. I think once this event is over, they'll probably be on more friendly terms.
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May 26, 2022 01:02
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Skwirl posted:Wasn't it like, they fight briefly and Batman's all "you'll probably eventually win, but it will take so long to get to that point, let's do something useful instead." Been a while since I've read JLA/Avengers. It's been a while, but as I recall it goes down exactly like this:
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May 26, 2022 01:06
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I'm so pissed I wasn't able to get a copy of the recent Hero Initiative reprint.
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May 26, 2022 01:08
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Nilbop posted:It's been a while, but as I recall it goes down exactly like this: One of my favorite things about JLA/Avengers is how it makes a convincing case that Captain America is Marvel's Batman AND Marvel's Superman. I love the bit where Batman tries talking poo poo about Ben Grimm and Cap shuts that poo poo down immediately.
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May 26, 2022 01:36
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the other best parts of JLA/Avengers are Batman taking way longer than he expected to take out Batroc and also Batman abandoning neutrality on a survey of Marvel earth to kick the poo poo out of the Punisher, off panel.
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May 26, 2022 02:28
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Karma Tornado posted:the other best parts of JLA/Avengers are Batman taking way longer than he expected to take out Batroc and also Batman abandoning neutrality on a survey of Marvel earth to kick the poo poo out of the Punisher, off panel. was JLA/Avengers written before Jason Todd came back as Red Hood or after, because if it's after I'm gonna call him a hypocrite.
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May 26, 2022 02:39
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Isn't Iron Man Marvel's Batman?
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May 26, 2022 03:37
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The X-man cometh posted:Isn't Iron Man Marvel's Batman? They're both rich and popular, but other than that not really.
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May 26, 2022 03:39
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Marvel’s Batman is the X-Men
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May 26, 2022 03:40
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Iron Man is more like Marvel's The Atom. They're both billionaires with Iron Man suits. But The Atom's Iron Man suit can shrink so it doesn't have to do all the extra stuff Iron Man's Iron Man suit can do
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May 26, 2022 03:41
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oh poo poo it's actually happening. Same creative team so it's probably going to be terrible https://twitter.com/TsuburayaGlobal/status/1526548096141893640?s=20&t=mkyoeZGqtWkiCKRuH77DFQ
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May 26, 2022 03:45
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Gripweed posted:Iron Man is more like Marvel's The Atom. They're both billionaires with Iron Man suits. But The Atom's Iron Man suit can shrink so it doesn't have to do all the extra stuff Iron Man's Iron Man suit can do You have no idea what you are taking about.
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May 26, 2022 03:48
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Mr Hootington posted:You have no idea what you are taking about. Now that you mention it, you're right, these are not similar in any way shape or form. What a fool I was. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi5uZHlHVWY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7MkeI-9WdU
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May 26, 2022 03:52
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You really have no idea what you're talking about.
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May 26, 2022 04:02
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Gripweed posted:Now that you mention it, you're right, these are not similar in any way shape or form. What a fool I was. He linked the arrow verse Atom didn't he?
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May 26, 2022 04:06
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The team on Moon Knight is killing it. Another great issue.
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May 26, 2022 04:08
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From a purely visual standpoint, Iron Man and the Atom are similar but not at all from a character standpoint. Atom’s counterpart is Ant Man. You know, the guy with a suit that makes him change size.
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Gripweed posted:Iron Man is more like Marvel's The Atom. They're both billionaires with Iron Man suits. But The Atom's Iron Man suit can shrink so it doesn't have to do all the extra stuff Iron Man's Iron Man suit can do Atom is only an Iron Man knockoff in the CW universe, in the comics he's just a size changer like Ant-Man, though Ant-Man came second
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Gripweed posted:Now that you mention it, you're right, these are not similar in any way shape or form. What a fool I was. You have the worst gimmick on the entire forum
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I always thought of Daredevil as the Batman of Marvel. With them both having Frank Miller redefining runs in the 80s, very hard boiled noir influenced avengers since then. And that particular style of noble gravitas, peas in a pod those guys. Gripweed posted:oh poo poo it's actually happening. Same creative team so it's probably going to be terrible Gotta love toku. I know people enjoyed the nutty Godzilla Marvel comic back in the day. Speaking of licensed stuff, other than Star Wars (also Disney), I wonder if they'll do any unexpected great licensed runs at Marvel again. Though IDW seems to have the niche of licensed stuff mainly covered.
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May 26, 2022 06:20
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Heavy Metal posted:I always thought of Daredevil as the Batman of Marvel. With them both having Frank Miller redefining runs in the 80s, very hard boiled noir influenced avengers since then. And that particular style of noble gravitas, peas in a pod those guys. You aren't the only one 
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May 26, 2022 06:24
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That rules! I've so gotta read that Waid run.
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May 26, 2022 06:26
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I mean, Daredevil doesn't drive a fancy car, because, you know...
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It's a shame we never got a Daredevil/Batman crossover on the level of that Batman/Spider-Man crossover where Carnage gets irritated with the Joker but doesn't kill him because he's easily distracted
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