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Karach posted:Why would you not at least entertain the idea that environmental contaminants have an impact on the population's health? Why is the way people gain and lose fat a magical exception to scientific thinking? I don't understand the dogma around weight loss talk: "it's thermodynamics dammit." except that thermodynamics don't explain the particular way your body's set weight point is achieved or the way fat storage is regulated. The entire reason is because people want acceptable reasons to bully others. It has nothing to do with science. Fat isn't thermodynamics, it's nowhere close, and we have known this for a long time. People aren't overeating themselves fat, something is loving up the regulation of metabolism. Endocrine disruptors are certainly a possibility, but quality of sleep and stress can also be major players. Digestion and the hormones controlling it are a very complex subject and you can't reduce any part of that science down to slogans.
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May 27, 2022 13:53
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endlessmonotony posted:The entire reason is because people want acceptable reasons to bully others. It has nothing to do with science. Gastric Bypass seems to have good results
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May 27, 2022 13:55
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microplastics? try growing your own food and buying glassware.
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May 27, 2022 13:55
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May 27, 2022 14:02
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Koirhor posted:Gastric Bypass seems to have good results Eh, it only works to amplify weight loss. When you can't lose weight, it isn't useful. Or when you can't afford the surgery, the time off, or the required new diet. Plus my problem took half an hour total to solve and gave me no complications. After three years of testing, including a colonoscopy, to get me approved for the specialist care. After they figured out what's wrong, which they never would have without my other care. The answer could have been found a decade earlier by fully investigating my stomach aches, but instead I got told to eat less by very serious doctors being very confidently wrong without ever putting in the loving work.
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May 27, 2022 14:07
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endlessmonotony posted:The entire reason is because people want acceptable reasons to bully others. It has nothing to do with science. this is what it feels like, more of a moral position than a considered one. it allows you to maintain the doublethink of "material conditions determine the poverty of my comrades!" and "my comrades are lazy fat pieces of poo poo who can't stop shoving m&ms in their face thanks to their low Volition score!" I've gone from 300 lbs to 180 lbs in my life through living like a monk. it doesn't make sense to me that I need to live like a monk to maintain my weight. why was I fat as a kid in the first place? why does my body so badly want to be fat that if I stop living like a monk I start gaining weight again? why, in my lifetime, has it gone from "I see a few fat people around me" to "more than half of the people I see are obese?" why can my wife eat snacks all day long and not gain weight? life isn't supposed to be this hard.
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May 27, 2022 14:10
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Karach posted:this is what it feels like, more of a moral position than a considered one. it allows you to maintain the doublethink of "material conditions determine the poverty of my comrades!" and "my comrades are lazy fat pieces of poo poo who can't stop shoving m&ms in their face thanks to their low Volition score!" I can eat whatever I want, as much as I want, and still lose weight.  Only took seven surgeries, years of ventilator care, and having to keep up with my nauseating medications until I die.
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May 27, 2022 14:13
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If that seems like it conflicts with itself, it's because there's multiple issues intersecting. My obesity was fairly simple - I was starving. Bypass the digestion, bypass the problem. Ever since that was done, I've lost weight. I can force myself to gain fat, but it requires me to eat well past the point I feel uncomfortable. But I also had other severe issues preventing exercise or quality sleep, and those took a lot more work. And now I'm more artificial parts than man.
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May 27, 2022 14:18
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If it turns out it was all because my mom prefers plastic plates and thus I wasn't absorbing any of the minerals from the food served on those plates, I wouldn't even be surprised.
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May 27, 2022 14:31
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endlessmonotony posted:If that seems like it conflicts with itself, it's because there's multiple issues intersecting. I'm sure that any particular person's health issues are an intersection of multiple causes, particularly obesity. wait so did you become a cyborg to lose weight??
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May 27, 2022 14:33
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Karach posted:I'm sure that any particular person's health issues are an intersection of multiple causes, particularly obesity. Beauty requires sacrifice.
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May 27, 2022 14:35
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Koirhor posted:Gastric Bypass seems to have good results nobody is denying you need energy to store energy but that's like pointing at a tall person and saying they got that way by eating more than a short person. technically true, but meaningless. what's in question here is how environmental, hormonal, psychological, nutritional, social class, (in)ability to exercise, pollution, etc factors impact how that available energy eventually manifests in our physical bodies. and honestly it's about more than just being fat; those factors can impact your long term cancer risks for example. if you can't grok systems thinking in this thread of all threads, you should lurk more e: quoting my post from the other thread Cold on a Cob posted:also we're not just a calorie furnace, like there are people with hormonal disorders that put on huge amounts of bodyfat while their lean tissue maintains or shrinks so it's not crazy to think this can happen in less obvious and more minor ways to the rest of us over long periods of time vOv
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May 27, 2022 14:35
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Karach posted:I'm sure that any particular person's health issues are an intersection of multiple causes, particularly obesity. He's lying, his teacher had the high ground.
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May 27, 2022 14:36
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mahershalalhashbaz posted:i am not sure of this at all Legit jealous. A few years ago when I was planning on moving to Canada, I was most hyped about being in a country with crows/ravens and that I would eventually have a chance to make a crow friend or two. Animals rule, and it makes me deeply sad that we are killing them all.
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May 27, 2022 14:39
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Cold on a Cob posted:nobody is denying you need energy to store energy but that's like pointing at a tall person and saying they got that way by eating more than a short person. technically true, but meaningless. I wanted to get in on this in the econ thread, I was just tired of filling up that thread with coffee and fat chat. I was just blown away by people in that thread totally dismissing that SlimeMold link. it's a really good read, and it's not something that can just be dismissed with a wave of the hand and "it's pseudoscience!" like, it makes specific claims and cites evidence for those claims. if there are substantive issues with its claims, then point them out! Karach has issued a correction as of 15:05 on May 27, 2022 |
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May 27, 2022 14:45
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mahershalalhashbaz posted:i am not sure of this at all imagine how annoyed you'd be if you thought you'd met a talking raven but all it could say was "HURLO? HURLO?" over and over again
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May 27, 2022 14:45
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Karach posted:I wanted to get in on this in the econ thread, I was just tired of filling up that thread with coffee and fat chat. i'll have to give that a read, i skimmed and i see it's quoting stephan guyenet whom i remember to actually have good writing about this topic
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May 27, 2022 14:56
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El Laucha posted:Legit jealous. A few years ago when I was planning on moving to Canada, I was most hyped about being in a country with crows/ravens and that I would eventually have a chance to make a crow friend or two. Thinking about getting really into jellyfish so I can get PUMPED for climate change
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May 27, 2022 15:04
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Sure almost all people who undergo extreme weight loss in controlled environments gain it back in a few years, repeatedly blacking out while binge eating, but it's a choice, honest!!!
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May 27, 2022 15:06
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Iron Crowned posted:He's lying, his teacher had the high ground. nobody told me chronic exposure to woodoo hide helmet polish fucks up your appetite
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May 27, 2022 15:09
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Bathtub Cheese posted:Sure almost all people who undergo extreme weight loss in controlled environments gain it back in a few years, repeatedly blacking out while binge eating, but it's a choice, honest!!! Even if it is purely thermodynamic, gorging yourself is an addiction and addictions are caused by something being hosed up and unaddressed in your life. In this case the hosed up unaddressed thing is living in America so uh good luck.
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May 27, 2022 15:11
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Cold on a Cob posted:i'll have to give that a read, i skimmed and i see it's quoting stephan guyenet whom i remember to actually have good writing about this topic I read through all of that specific page. It's a pretty good explanation of everything we don't know. It doesn't have any answers, but it gives clear evidence we don't have the answers.
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May 27, 2022 15:12
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IAMKOREA posted:Even if it is purely thermodynamic, gorging yourself is an addiction and addictions are caused by something being hosed up and unaddressed in your life. In this case the hosed up unaddressed thing is living in America so uh good luck. Maybe you simply don't have the agency you think you do when your body experiences a hunger response equivalent to that of starvation.
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May 27, 2022 15:13
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simply replace your addiction to food with an addiction to stimulants
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May 27, 2022 15:23
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Tungsten posted:simply replace your addiction to food with an addiction to stimulants Do not, my friends, become addicted to water. It will take hold of you and you will resent its absence.
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May 27, 2022 15:25
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stephen guy-i-met? yeah right.
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May 27, 2022 15:27
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Bathtub Cheese posted:Maybe you simply don't have the agency you think you do when your body experiences a hunger response equivalent to that of starvation. Yeah well that's kind of my point, but I don't believe addiction is a personal failure or something that can be beat with willpower. But maybe the addiction is also being caused because chemicals are disrupting the brain too. Also I'm a dumb computer toucher not a psychologist, all I know is I don't look down on obese people anymore.
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May 27, 2022 15:29
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is Baltimore / DC usually a tornado area btw?
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May 27, 2022 15:30
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Hubbert posted:Do not, my friends, become addicted to water. It will take hold of you and you will resent its absence. Water? You mean that stuff from the toilet?
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May 27, 2022 15:30
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IAMKOREA posted:Yeah well that's kind of my point, but I don't believe addiction is a personal failure or something that can be beat with willpower. But maybe the addiction is also being caused because chemicals are disrupting the brain too. Also I'm a dumb computer toucher not a psychologist, all I know is I don't look down on obese people anymore. i love that you brought this up because i successfully quit smoking with only a small relapse once and have maintained my non-smoker status for 16 years now. most people would say that means i must have decent willpower and yet other things i've done in my life that rquired willpower have been hit or miss (and in the case of weight loss, a huge miss) i'm also first to acknowledge that there were several things outside of my control that helped me stop smoking, like when my city banned smoking in bars
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May 27, 2022 15:36
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Free Rime. Also, I have been assured this is the "fixing old machines" thread.    This is a thing of beauty, it's a Singer model 15. Based on the serial, there were 40,000 of this exact model allotted December 29, 1936. They had only done two prior runs this large, both 40,000, with lots of smaller batches of minor variations. My grandmother bought this new and used it for who knows what. My mother used this 1974-1995 to make halloween costumes for us kids. I have been making stuffed animals for our kids lately and I am sick of hand stitching so I want to get this going again. I had this serviced professionally 5 years ago and believe it still works fine, however, compared to many subsequent but similar models this one is "backwards". : (example) Additionally, it has a vertical bobbin, which is something that's not uncommon, but again, the bobbin is a backwards construction from many videos I see for more modern machines. All original, light bulb almost certainly replaced at SOME point. I can get it threaded and make a few stitches but either it needs work or I am doing something wrong, or both. There is a guy in town who fixes vintage machines, I have an appointment to take this to see him next Tuesday and figure out if I am just being dumb about how I am threading this, or if there's some work that needs to be done. The wood bottom to the case is falling apart and I think that once I get the machine going, a next project may be sourcing some winterkill maple from around here and trying my hand at doing some simple milling with a circ saw and guide bars and make a new case from on-site wood. I believe I even have some prior winterkill out there which has been aging for a year and might just be ready to go if I can cut it up. (I've never tried to mill wood and will need to buy some guides and specific blades but that all sounds more fun than buying overpriced hardwood slabs when I am sitting on 11 acres of wood. The light, pedal and all mechanicals work as far as I can tell.
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May 27, 2022 15:44
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FFT posted:gonna pass along some good advice i got from probably this thread that's treated me well: yeah, this advice helped me a lot, too
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May 27, 2022 15:50
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endlessmonotony posted:The entire reason is because people want acceptable reasons to bully others. It has nothing to do with science. there are people that eat sugary garbage all day lol
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May 27, 2022 15:59
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Complications posted:deep down these goons believe in a free marketplace of ideas and think that the only reason a mass conversion hasn't taken place is that nobody has tried They also straight up murder people, that's a big glaring omission here.
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May 27, 2022 15:59
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actionjackson posted:there are people that eat sugary garbage all day lol why do they do that?
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May 27, 2022 16:00
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People really need to digest what millions of murdered communists - Marxist leaders and educaters - in the 20th century did. Communism is an international movement it's not in any sense immaterial that those communists were not in the US. PS: They also murdered and jailed a gently caress ton of domestic communists and still do today.
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May 27, 2022 16:00
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mawarannahr posted:why do they do that? it tastes good why do other people not? there's a lot of factors that go into obesity, some of which we can't really control, but that doesn't mean you are literally not able to change your eating habits at all. plenty of people have done so.
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May 27, 2022 16:01
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actionjackson posted:there are people that eat sugary garbage all day lol You're only saying that because you're looking to troll people. So, y'know, get out.
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May 27, 2022 16:02
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actionjackson posted:it tastes good if you’re lucky you can be bullied into having body image issues that keep you looking hot and stop you from developing health problems associated with weight, possibly at the risk of developing other problems
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May 27, 2022 16:05
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actionjackson posted:there are people that eat sugary garbage all day lol this is my mom who is now 300lbs and needs knee surgery because she won't eat food that didn't come out of a factory. north americans in general have busted as gently caress diets, its no wonder they all hate themselves and each other and are constantly irritated.
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