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bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:

Lien posted:

The same way gay conversion therapy does, by traumatizing people into acting "normally"

More seriously, A4A has a bit on the ONDP's stance and why it sucks: https://a4aontario.com/blog/

gently caress me. I voted NDP in advanced polls before I saw this poo poo.

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Karach
May 23, 2003

no war but class war
Doug Ford: the man who killed grandma is now the only choice for voters of conscience.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

Lien posted:

The same way gay conversion therapy does, by traumatizing people into acting "normally"

More seriously, A4A has a bit on the ONDP's stance and why it sucks: https://a4aontario.com/blog/

well that is extremely disappointing

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m
Apr 16, 2017

Í̝̰ ͓̯̖̫̹̯̤A҉m̺̩͝ ͇̬A̡̮̞̠͚͉̱̫ K̶e͓ǵ.̻̱̪͖̹̟̕
Say goodbye to the only good thing that Alberta ever had going for it:

https://globalnews.ca/news/8866238/...cRKX76WB67u2gx8

I tried to find the video clip from that article bc I didn't want to copy/paste the whole thing so I tried to find it on youtube but it wasn't there

EvilJoven
Mar 18, 2005

NOBODY,IN THE HISTORY OF EVER, HAS ASKED OR CARED WHAT CANADA THINKS. YOU ARE NOT A COUNTRY. YOUR MONEY HAS THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND ON IT. IF YOU DIG AROUND IN YOUR BACKYARD, NATIVE SKELETONS WOULD EXPLODE OUT OF YOUR LAWN LIKE THE END OF POLTERGEIST. CANADA IS SO POLITE, EH?
Fun Shoe

Karach posted:

Autism isn't just a lifestyle choice?

Wait I can just not be autistic? Wish someone had told me.

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m
Apr 16, 2017

Í̝̰ ͓̯̖̫̹̯̤A҉m̺̩͝ ͇̬A̡̮̞̠͚͉̱̫ K̶e͓ǵ.̻̱̪͖̹̟̕

Karach posted:

Autism isn't just a lifestyle choice?

It's not a choice to be autistic but it's a choice to embrace autistic ideology and the autistic lifestyle

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Karach posted:

how's the NDP campaign, Ontario goons? if there is one.

i finally received a flyer in my mailbox from the ONDP incumbent in my riding. i guess she is in fact aware that there is an election happening. and only six days before election day too.

Karach
May 23, 2003

no war but class war

infernal machines posted:

i finally received a flyer in my mailbox from the ONDP incumbent in my riding. i guess she is in fact aware that there is an election happening. and only six days before election day too.

I think the NDP secretly hates winning

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?
mb pcs are trying to privatize liquor sales again

Noblesse Obliged
Apr 7, 2012

bunnyofdoom posted:

gently caress me. I voted NDP in advanced polls before I saw this poo poo.

ya me too. and I have two autistic children. I doubt they will win my riding but this is the final straw for me

Precambrian Video Games
Aug 19, 2002



Karach posted:

I think the NDP secretly hates winning

Secretly?

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

Lien posted:

The same way gay conversion therapy does, by traumatizing people into acting "normally"

More seriously, A4A has a bit on the ONDP's stance and why it sucks: https://a4aontario.com/blog/

A4A have launched some pretty vile attacks on friends of mine, calling them nazis and so on, so you'll forgive me if i don't take this factoid wrapped in paragraphs of bias completely at face value. A survey of 7000 people who are autistic, and belong to a web community, and can take surveys, doesn't sound like it's representative of poo poo

Nor does my survey of a number well south of 7000, of the parents of kids who learned to speak and use a toilet in adulthood because of the skills they were taught with contemporary ABA techniques, which are absolutely not of the "electrocute the kid unless they hug you" variety. It was definitely created by a wrongheaded fuckman who wanted to cruelty the autism out of people, and I give him no credit for accidentally happening upon some ideas that would show promise later.

"It started in barbarism" is basically all psychotherapeutic techniques. Some are irrevocably bad and poo poo and the people who inflict them on others should be sent far far away, and conversion therapy is absolutely that; I'm not so easily convinced about what ABA looks like as it's practised here today, on kids I've met and have seen improve

flakeloaf has issued a correction as of 16:18 on May 27, 2022

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

but i'm not an autistic person (that i know of), nor am i the parent of one (ditto), and if those people have things to say to him on the topic and he can't bother to murmur out a coherent response, yeah that's a problem

the whole group home situation here is just one hosed-up piece of a very large hosed-up problem with provincial health care, whose budget could safely be doubled and still not meet expectations, and every single tory member and voter is a party to the suffering that follows

Lien
Oct 17, 2006
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flakeloaf posted:

A4A have launched some pretty vile attacks on friends of mine, calling them nazis and so on, so you'll forgive me if i don't take this factoid wrapped in paragraphs of bias completely at face value. A survey of 7000 people who are autistic, and belong to a web community, and can take surveys, doesn't sound like it's representative of poo poo

Nor does my survey of a number well south of 7000, of the parents of kids who learned to speak and use a toilet in adulthood because of the skills they were taught with contemporary ABA techniques, which are absolutely not of the "electrocute the kid unless they hug you" variety. It was definitely created by a wrongheaded fuckman who wanted to cruelty the autism out of people, and I give him no credit for accidentally happening upon some ideas that would show promise later.

"It started in barbarism" is basically all psychotherapeutic techniques. Some are irrevocably bad and poo poo and the people who inflict them on others should be sent far far away, and conversion therapy is absolutely that; I'm not so easily convinced about what ABA looks like as it's practised here today, on kids I've met and have seen improve

Sure! I can provide you with a bunch of other links/info if you're interested. And A4A certainly isn't the only organization that's anti-ABA; all of the autistic self-advocacy organizations that I'm aware of are, and I genuinely do believe we should be prioritizing the voices of autistic people in regards to the "therapy" that they're undergoing.

So, the below links are some of the ones I've sent to Harden in regards to ABA and got the response of "well parents like it and some autistic people have said it's helpful", which is a mighty similar response to gay conversion therapy.

Some personal stories from individuals who have been through ABA, and in some cases, practiced ABA on children: https://neuroclastic.com/aba-horror-stories-are-far-too-common/

Please also see the following academic links that indicate that ABA/PBS are ineffective, and result in severely negative outcomes for autistic individuals, up to and including suicide:
1. https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...9725DA51525088C
2. https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/s12888-020-02577-1.pdf
3. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31763860/
4. https://www.altteaching.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/TRICARE-Autism-Report.pdf
5. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6061115/
6. https://www.scottishautismconference.org/assets/pdf/Conference_Seminar_Stream_Booklet_170718.pdf (lived experiences of autistic individuals, page 23)
7. https://molecularautism.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13229-018-0226-4 (increased risk of suicidality due to masking, which is what ABA teaches/enforces)


The tricare report I think is particularly interesting because it shows that ABA is certainly no more effective than other interventions, and is less cost-effective, which even if general-you (not specific-you) don't care about autistic people should be an argument against it.

Edit: in lieu of referencing A4A, I will provide the NDP's neurodivergent caucus take: https://twitter.com/ND_NDP/status/1529984295133011969

Lien has issued a correction as of 18:36 on May 27, 2022

Karach
May 23, 2003

no war but class war

eXXon posted:

Secretly?

Have they adopted this as a policy position now??

bunnyofdoom
Mar 29, 2008

I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad! :emo:

Noblesse Obliged posted:

ya me too. and I have two autistic children. I doubt they will win my riding but this is the final straw for me

Wife and I both are, and our future children are very very likely to be

Karach
May 23, 2003

no war but class war

DariusLikewise posted:

mb pcs are trying to privatize liquor sales again

where you seeing this?

Bleck
Jan 7, 2014

No matter how one loves, there are always different aims. Love can take a great many forms, whatever the era.

Lien posted:

The same way gay conversion therapy does, by traumatizing people into acting "normally"

More seriously, A4A has a bit on the ONDP's stance and why it sucks: https://a4aontario.com/blog/

Glad I read this before I voted, 'cause now I'm not.

skewetoo
Mar 30, 2003

reminder that declining a ballot is a thing in ont election

bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m
Apr 16, 2017

Í̝̰ ͓̯̖̫̹̯̤A҉m̺̩͝ ͇̬A̡̮̞̠͚͉̱̫ K̶e͓ǵ.̻̱̪͖̹̟̕
Prices at No Frills starting to look like its a grocery store that has frills

Danaru
Jun 5, 2012

何 ??
The NS PCs ran on repealing an anti-labour bill the libs pushed through during covid, and now they're like "ehh it's not relevant anymore so why bother repealing it :shrug:" if it's not relevant why NOT repeal it you fucks you're not fooling anyone

On top of that, negotiations for the contract that expired in 2020 have stalled so hard that it's going to conciliation because the government outright refuses to talk about wage increases or anything significant. God help me if we wind up striking, they better be drat grateful I can't get a criminal record because I'm sponsoring my husband's immigration. I'm so loving jokerfied at this point I want to go one full day without receiving news that makes me laugh in despair

blatman
May 10, 2009

14 inc dont mez


bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:

Prices at No Frills starting to look like its a grocery store that has frills

all the grocery stores in my area seem to be normalizing at the same level of "really expensive" so there's no reason to go to the cheap stores anymore because they're the same price as the fancier ones

next week im checking out t&t supermarket to see if thats cheaper

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

Lien posted:

Sure! I can provide you with a bunch of other links/info if you're interested. And A4A certainly isn't the only organization that's anti-ABA; all of the autistic self-advocacy organizations that I'm aware of are, and I genuinely do believe we should be prioritizing the voices of autistic people in regards to the "therapy" that they're undergoing.

So, the below links are some of the ones I've sent to Harden in regards to ABA and got the response of "well parents like it and some autistic people have said it's helpful", which is a mighty similar response to gay conversion therapy.

Some personal stories from individuals who have been through ABA, and in some cases, practiced ABA on children: https://neuroclastic.com/aba-horror-stories-are-far-too-common/

Please also see the following academic links that indicate that ABA/PBS are ineffective, and result in severely negative outcomes for autistic individuals, up to and including suicide:
1. https://www.cambridge.org/core/jour...9725DA51525088C
2. https://bmcpsychiatry.biomedcentral.com/track/pdf/10.1186/s12888-020-02577-1.pdf
3. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31763860/
4. https://www.altteaching.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/TRICARE-Autism-Report.pdf
5. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6061115/
6. https://www.scottishautismconference.org/assets/pdf/Conference_Seminar_Stream_Booklet_170718.pdf (lived experiences of autistic individuals, page 23)
7. https://molecularautism.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13229-018-0226-4 (increased risk of suicidality due to masking, which is what ABA teaches/enforces)


The tricare report I think is particularly interesting because it shows that ABA is certainly no more effective than other interventions, and is less cost-effective, which even if general-you (not specific-you) don't care about autistic people should be an argument against it.

Edit: in lieu of referencing A4A, I will provide the NDP's neurodivergent caucus take: https://twitter.com/ND_NDP/status/1529984295133011969
this is a very good post and i really will read all of these, thank you seriously

Durf
Aug 16, 2017




Slotducks posted:

Just flew back from Halifax last night - there must be something in the water there because motorists all throughout seemingly... respected... pedestrians? It was so weird not almost being hit by some chucklefuck on their phone every evening going out for dinner

i moved there from vancouver and it was night and day

actually a bit annoying having them slam on their brakes within 50 yards and me feeling like I have to hustle across the street constantly

Mameluke
Aug 2, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

skewetoo posted:

reminder that declining a ballot is a thing in ont election

Ya and when they see how many ballots were declined they realize "wow we are on the wrong direction" lol

Noblesse Obliged
Apr 7, 2012

Mameluke posted:

Ya and when they see how many ballots were declined they realize "wow we are on the wrong direction" lol

lol

PhilippAchtel
May 31, 2011

Mameluke posted:

Ya and when they see how many ballots were declined they realize "wow we are on the wrong direction" lol

:v:

skewetoo
Mar 30, 2003

I'm sure voting for a neolib party will improve things this time

skewetoo
Mar 30, 2003

What I'm saying is that lady that drank her ballot was an inspiration

Blood Boils
Dec 27, 2006

Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS

infernal machines posted:

i finally received a flyer in my mailbox from the ONDP incumbent in my riding. i guess she is in fact aware that there is an election happening. and only six days before election day too.

Yah it's a reminder

Did you want them earlier or more constant?

Karach posted:

I think the NDP secretly hates winning

Ime they genuinely don't know how

skewetoo
Mar 30, 2003

Every single political flyer I got for this election has been for the incorrect riding lol

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Blood Boils posted:

Yah it's a reminder

Did you want them earlier or more constant?

Ime they genuinely don't know how

this is the sum total of my interaction with her campaign to date. i work from home and i haven't been avoiding canvassers. i don't watch tv much, but i have seen approximately zero campaign ads from ONDP since the writ dropped

i'm sure someone somewhere is out spreading the good word, but i personally ain't seen it

Mameluke
Aug 2, 2013

by Fluffdaddy
Andrea loves winning and surely she will achieve it given enough elections. Practice makes perfect !

linoleum floors
Mar 25, 2012

Please. Let me tell you all about how you're all idiots. I am of superior intellect here. Go suck some dicks. You have all fucking stupid opinions. This is my fucking opinion.
Can we please we just get an NDP leader that 1. Is not a landlord 2. Doesn't have multiple rolexes and drive a BMW 3. Hasn't praised Margaret Thatcher

Is this such a high bar?

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
in canada? probably.

Bilirubin
Feb 16, 2014

The sanctioned action is to CHUG


Durf posted:

i moved there from vancouver and it was night and day

actually a bit annoying having them slam on their brakes within 50 yards and me feeling like I have to hustle across the street constantly

That was my feeling about Vancouver after moving there from Chicago. Was a long while ago though

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

I just looked up the NDP candidate in my riding.

quote:

Raymond is a full-time student at the University of Toronto. He recently finished his second year in the Lassonde Mineral Engineering program. Raymond has volunteered on political campaigns since 2019, including campaigning for Brian Chang during the 2020 by-election and 2021 federal election in Toronto Centre.

I am sorry, what?

Lostconfused has issued a correction as of 19:15 on May 28, 2022

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

Lostconfused posted:

I just looked up the NDP candidate in my riding.

I am sorry, what?

presumably not a riding the NDP thinks they will win

better a student than some 50 year old who runs losing election after losing election like my moms old riding used to have

Mameluke
Aug 2, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

Lostconfused posted:

I just looked up the NDP candidate in my riding.

I am sorry, what?

hell this guy stands a better chance of winning Ontario than Andrea lol

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Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
The orange wave brought in at least a couple of students and lots of novice politicians. Can't forget Ruth Ellen Brousseau who went on a trip to Vegas during the 2011 federal campaign.

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