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Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Every now and then in this dank bleak world I take a small bit of solace in the fact that the weird guy behind Alchemy Mindworks (shareware graphics software I used on a daily basis circa 1991) is still around and his website is still as kooky as ever.

https://www.mindworkshop.com/

And this piece of copy is 99% unchanged since the very first shareware license notice:

quote:

Should you fail to register any of the evaluation software available through our web pages and continue to use it, be advised that a leather-winged demon of the night will tear itself, shrieking blood and fury, from the endless caverns of the nether world, hurl itself into the darkness with a thirst for blood on its slavering fangs and search the very threads of time for the throbbing of your heartbeat. Just thought you'd want to know that.

Alchemy Mindworks accepts no responsibility for any loss, damage or expense caused by leather-winged demons of the night, either.

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Qwijib0
Apr 10, 2007

Who needs on-field skills when you can dance like this?

Fun Shoe

Data Graham posted:

drat! My family's VCR when I was a kid was one of these:



Same VCR club. :hf:

I remember having to set all the little individual tuning wheels when we got some new UHFs in town with cartoons I needed to record.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Can't even find a picture of the Salora we had. It had a wired remote. It was built well enough that we used it into the mid-1995 and had it repaired twice. After that, parts just weren't available.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Jim Silly-Balls posted:

Continuing my struggle journey with the imac G4. Now I cant get install CD's to burn in a way where the system folder is "blessed" and it recognizes it as a Mac OS system folder. I found ISO copies of the original imac G4 restore discs online, but when I burn them the machine just sees normal folders on the CD and will not boot from it.

I've been burning them in os x 10.5 with Toast Titanium. I have also tried mounting them and burning them with Disk Utility with the same results

Am I doing something wrong here?

As an update to this, I think my imac DVD drive is just broken in some way. I was never able to get it to boot anything reliably off disk. I didnt have great luck with target disk mode, although it did teach me how it works, and its nice to know that the imac can boot the copy of OSX that is on my G4 TiBook.

The only thing that actually worked? Writing the 10.4 installer to USB and booting that. Weirdly it took on the first try. Now to figure out how to get classic mode working.

I have a firewire drive coming in the mail today, so booting random OS's should get easier with that.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Huge update: my FireWire drive arrived today and it’s full of SICK jams

r u ready to WALK
Sep 29, 2001

I'm sad that I didn't amass a multi-terabyte mp3 collection while I had the chance, now I just have my handful of legally purchased itunes albums

At least archive.org let me download a couple hundred thousand midi files

Dicty Bojangles
Apr 14, 2001

I bought a used iPod once hoping the seller wouldn't erase it, and their collection would expand my musical horizons in every way imaginable. Waited in anticipation for weeks for it to arrive, and when it finally did all it had on there was college intro to bio lectures.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Each one of those folders has like one song from one album in it, so the music selection is pretty bad. Also it was loaded with pictures of the previous owner drunkenly partying around Los Angeles.

So I just wiped the whole thing :rip:

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




The lesson here is that the average persons music library management is poo poo

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



Jim Silly-Balls posted:

Huge update: my FireWire drive arrived today and it’s full of SICK jams



Half this thread looking at this picture thinking, yeah this could've been my drive from this time period.

LifeSunDeath
Jan 4, 2007

still gay rights and smoke weed every day

this is really cool

History Comes Inside!
Nov 20, 2004




Flashbacks to my big box store computer toucher days when we’d transfer data to customers’ new machines, and almost every time the transfer thing would poo poo the bed because they had a Michael Bublé folder and it didn’t like the special e.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




What is the proper method for creating OS X installers on a firewire drive? Last night I was able to use disk utility to restore an ISO of the 10.4 installer to a USB flash drive and use it to install on my imac G4.

Now I've created a partition on the firewire drive for the same thing, and it wont let me enter the partition as the destination for the image restore?

rndmnmbr
Jul 3, 2012

Flight SIM chat, there was one I played in high school - '96-'99 or so - that I can't remember the name of. IIRC you could fly an F-22, but we all flew F-14s because they had Phoenix missiles and we could blow up the very terrible 3d rendition of San Francisco with them.

One kid actually got good enough to take actual missions in the game, and I remember it being infinitely entertaining to watch him engage his internal Top Gun brain, chase cruise missiles and down them with just a keyboard.

coldpudding
May 14, 2009

FORUM GHOST

Data Graham posted:

drat! My family's VCR when I was a kid was one of these:



https://www.mercari.com/us/item/m65...LxoCGK8QAvD_BwE

That front faceplate is a removable remote! I've never seen another VCR like that, and it always seemed crazy to me because I confidently expected them all to adopt that design.

My dad liked to keep the remote attached to the unit, and insisted on getting up to go press buttons on it instead of having it in his hand. So when 10-year-old me would wander into the living room when my parents were watching a Robin Williams or Eddie Murphy special with a lot of bad words he would leap up from the couch and hurtle across the room flailing for the pause button lol

Oh man that brings back memories, one of my cousins had a fancy tv that had the normal front panel controls you could use but you could also press a button and a rechargeable remote control would pop out of a slot above one of the speakers, I really wish more sets had that feature, I reckon it would make finding the remote a lot easier since you can just bang in the slot when you are done watching for the day and it will be there the next morning.

SkyeAuroline
Nov 12, 2020

rndmnmbr posted:

Flight SIM chat, there was one I played in high school - '96-'99 or so - that I can't remember the name of. IIRC you could fly an F-22, but we all flew F-14s because they had Phoenix missiles and we could blow up the very terrible 3d rendition of San Francisco with them.

One kid actually got good enough to take actual missions in the game, and I remember it being infinitely entertaining to watch him engage his internal Top Gun brain, chase cruise missiles and down them with just a keyboard.

Jetfighter IV: Fortress America. I'm almost certain based on the description, I'm not seeing anything else that lines up (and I owned at least one of the JF games).

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Jim Silly-Balls posted:

As an update to this, I think my imac DVD drive is just broken in some way. I was never able to get it to boot anything reliably off disk. I didnt have great luck with target disk mode, although it did teach me how it works, and its nice to know that the imac can boot the copy of OSX that is on my G4 TiBook.

The only thing that actually worked? Writing the 10.4 installer to USB and booting that. Weirdly it took on the first try. Now to figure out how to get classic mode working.

I have a firewire drive coming in the mail today, so booting random OS's should get easier with that.

Whats the cheapest way to get a Firewire drive/case these days? I have things to do with iLink on a PS2...

You Am I
May 20, 2001

Me @ your poasting

Humphreys posted:

Whats the cheapest way to get a Firewire drive/case these days? I have things to do with iLink on a PS2...

MacFixIt Australia sells some external FW/USB cases:

https://www.macfixit.com.au/drives-storage/external-hard-drives/external-hard-drives/connection/fw800/

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule



Jesus...I'm not spending $100. Oh well, guess I gotta check the pawn shops and get lucky

r u ready to WALK
Sep 29, 2001

have a look through the ebay listings for "external firewire" too, there's a bunch of stuff in the $30 range before shipping
i know a ton of external enclosures from the early 2000s were hybrid USB/Firewire models so it shouldn't be too hard to get lucky at a goodwill

barbecue at the folks
Jul 20, 2007


Sharopolis has a video up on what was actually possible with the Famicom Basic. Interesting stuff, I don't think I've seen any of this before elsewhere:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUI0YBR5q8k

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Humphreys posted:

Jesus...I'm not spending $100. Oh well, guess I gotta check the pawn shops and get lucky

I got mine off eBay for $20 and it came with a surprise bounty of MP3’s and pics of nightclub guidos.


Other than that it works fantastic

Also, FireWire is so much faster than USB on vintage macs. It almost makes me wonder if apple nerfed USB performance, or at least didn’t optimize it much,
because they were backing the FireWire horse big time.

Transferring a 10.5 install DVD ISO took like an hour on usb and about 5 minutes on FireWire.

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Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




EL BROMANCE posted:

Half this thread looking at this picture thinking, yeah this could've been my drive from this time period.

If you are a 35-40-ish year old brunette white girl who spent time in the early 2000’s partying in LA with the absolute worst guido dudes, I have your FireWire drive, but I wiped it to fill it with vintage Mac software, sorry.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic
I’ve got a WD MyBook FireWire drive + enclosure from 2008 somewhere around here. I don’t even know if the drive part still works at this point, but if it does, I’d want to find some place to put its contents, but then would be happy to ship it on out.

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

I got mine off eBay for $20 and it came with a surprise bounty of MP3’s and pics of nightclub guidos.


Other than that it works fantastic

Also, FireWire is so much faster than USB on vintage macs. It almost makes me wonder if apple nerfed USB performance, or at least didn’t optimize it much,
because they were backing the FireWire horse big time.

Transferring a 10.5 install DVD ISO took like an hour on usb and about 5 minutes on FireWire.

FireWire 800 was twice as fast as usb 2

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007

i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

Last Chance posted:

FireWire 800 was twice as fast as usb 2

800 is also the total number of people who ever cared about Firewire.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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"was" :smuggo:

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




801 now because I’m on the FireWire train baybee

CaptainSarcastic
Jul 6, 2013



Back in the early 2000s at work I had a G4 tower and a Windows desktop at my desk, each with its own monitor, and I made some of use of Firewire drives and such, and booted using target disk mode at least a couple times. As I recall the biggest claimed use-case was for video processing, of which I did a very little bit, since the transfer speed was so much better than USB at the time.

At the time I was doing a lot of things just to see if I could do them (which I guess I still do), like getting a Linux distro up and running on the G4, or getting a working graphical desktop like KDE or Gnome going in the X11 utility of Mac OS X, so messing around with Firewire also fell into some of that experimenting for experimenting's sake.

nurrwick
Jul 5, 2007

If memory serves me right, Firewire 400 compared favorably to the nominally faster USB 2 because the controller could allow devices to talk to one another without needing to involve the CPU… I want to say that’s because Firewire’s design required the devices to determine their own logical topology and manage transfers between nodes whereas USB needs to pester the CPU for directions.

Also the 6-pin connectors were satisfying to use in a way USB-A never has been. The 800 connectors were a real step back.

Skinnymansbeerbelly
Apr 1, 2010
The design, which allowed firewire devices to access memory directly, made it so much faster than USB 2 in practice if the CPU was otherwise tied up.

Of course, it also made it vulnerable to DMA attack, so two sides to that coin.

Resident Idiot
May 11, 2007

Maxine13
Grimey Drawer

Data Graham posted:

Every now and then in this dank bleak world I take a small bit of solace in the fact that the weird guy behind Alchemy Mindworks (shareware graphics software I used on a daily basis circa 1991) is still around and his website is still as kooky as ever.

https://www.mindworkshop.com/

And this piece of copy is 99% unchanged since the very first shareware license notice:

Mindworks posted:


Cookies...
...don't happen here.
We don't have a popup window asking you to agree to our use of web browser cookies because unless otherwise noted, we don't have them. No cookies. Not even a crumb.

This web site won't collect any information from you unless you explicitly type something into one of our form pages. We're not entirely sure what we'd do with it if it did. Admittedly, we're probably happier not knowing.

:allears:

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Jim Silly-Balls posted:

If you are a 35-40-ish year old brunette white girl who spent time in the early 2000’s partying in LA with the absolute worst guido dudes, I have your FireWire drive, but I wiped it to fill it with vintage Mac software, sorry.

Speaking of wondering what was on HDDs

Acquired these a few years ago....

rndmnmbr
Jul 3, 2012

SkyeAuroline posted:

Jetfighter IV: Fortress America. I'm almost certain based on the description, I'm not seeing anything else that lines up (and I owned at least one of the JF games).

Close but no cigar. Mmmm.... I couldn't tell you what it looked like with 3d acceleration, none of the school computers had a 3d card, but in software rendering it was 3d but untextured. Maybe an older game we got running.

Gravid Topiary
Feb 16, 2012

i've gone through so many abandoned hard-drives (my dad scavenges them from the dump) and universally everybody has such terrible taste in music, also most people have really conventional tastes in porn and never much of it

Gravid Topiary
Feb 16, 2012

except the scat-play guy's hard-drive, i really didn't probe too deeply into that one (it was a Seagate)

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007

i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

People here seem to be pretty good at erasing stuff before donating computers (or the shop does it). The only things I ever found were some driving test software from 1999, and a draft of a guy's autobiography, but within two pages every chapter was just long rants about whatever weird grudges he had with people.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Gravid Topiary posted:

i've gone through so many abandoned hard-drives (my dad scavenges them from the dump) and universally everybody has such terrible taste in music, also most people have really conventional tastes in porn and never much of it

I got an Xbox from the dump that had some dudes family holiday videos on it. I tried to figure out who it was locally based on names yelled out on the videos but no luck. I hope they aren't missing the footage of that super fun time in Europe.

I have another xbox from Japan to look into more, but of course all the music is japanese anime or rpg game soundtracks, so nothing of value.

r u ready to WALK
Sep 29, 2001


lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGL3rskcQD0

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D34THROW
Jan 29, 2012

RETAIL RETAIL LISTEN TO ME BITCH ABOUT RETAIL
:rant:

Gravid Topiary posted:

except the scat-play guy's hard-drive, i really didn't probe too deeply into that one (it was a Seagate)

:magical:

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