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Mayor Dave
Feb 20, 2009

Bernie the Snow Clown

Femur posted:

does this mean, in those pictures of a layer of plastics in the soil, it was probably there on purpose? to easier till the land basically?

It was definitely there on purpose, agricultural plastics are in regular use around the world

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mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Raine posted:

i'm too dumb to figure out how to do this, but it would be interesting to search every corporate media news article over the past ~40 years for the increasing prevalence of terms like

"unthinkable"

"unprecedented"

"no one could have seen this coming"

"faster than expected"

etc

google trends for online, google n-gram for offline

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.

Raine posted:

i'm too dumb to figure out how to do this, but it would be interesting to search every corporate media news article over the past ~40 years for the increasing prevalence of terms like

"unthinkable"

"unprecedented"

"no one could have seen this coming"

"faster than expected"

etc

Is this so you can publish an article with the title

Prevalence of Terms Like "Faster Than Expected" Increasing Faster Than Expected - Study

Harold Fjord
Jan 3, 2004
Media recognition of historic climate events reaches all time high

Cold on a Cob
Feb 6, 2006

i've seen so much, i'm going blind
and i'm brain dead virtually

College Slice

Raine
Apr 30, 2013

ACCELERATIONIST SUPERDOOMER




faster than expected much lower than expected, scientists warn

TeenageArchipelago
Jul 23, 2013


Maybe scientists are bad at spelling. Try "faster then expected"

Pink Mist
Sep 28, 2021

Lol, the lag between the rise in "climate change"/"global warming" and "unexpected"
There was no way to expect this!

Colin Mockery
Jun 24, 2007
Rawr



Confusedslight posted:

How long will the Internet infrastructure last? I'm semi serious. Because the real life ramifations of that going down is not a small thing. Not just for indoor shut ins like me. Or will the poors just get priced out as everything becomes even more unaffordable.

Internet infrastructure is super valuable for communications reasons so I can't imagine that in rich areas (places with corporate headquarters, private schools, where rich people live, where important government buildings are headquartered, etc) it would degrade any more quickly than other core infrastructure like roads, hospitals, running water, bridges, dams, or electricity.

Outages caused by extreme weather events might start to take longer and longer for the ISPs to repair though, due to staffing shortages. Or an ISP might have their local infra burn down and just decide it's better to collect the insurance payout and cut that area out of their service map, rather than repair it. And in some areas, existing ISPs might just decline to offer coverage, as they do now.

Poor people will get priced out of the strategy of "living by rich people in order to access infrastructure maintained for rich people" as housing gets unaffordable, but I expect the pharmaceutical supply chain and cost of pharmaceuticals will kill a bunch of people first, when it goes.

If it's a money thing, you'll eventually be able to pay money to go to an internet cafe in the city, I expect.

Paradoxish
Dec 19, 2003

Will you stop going crazy in there?
imo there will be a substantial shift towards satellite/mobile home internet before there's a widespread infrastructure collapse

lots of issues (not all of them directly climate change-related) might make maintaining last-mile infrastructure harder and harder, but the satellites won't fall down and companies will still be able to maintain a comparatively small number of towers

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
The limiting use of the Internet, I reckon, will not be anything to do with the Internet's infrastructure, it'll be power. As electricity becomes more expensive and more unreliable, Internet access will simply begin to become less and less available, starting with the poor of course, and working its way up through wealthier classes. Services will disappear, starting with those that offer very little (gaming, social media, dead gay comedy forums), and gradually taking bigger services (online shopping) as demand shrinks. Residential users will go first but businesses will continue to make use of the Internet and provide plenty of demand for online business services to keep the infrastructure going. There'll be no big "switch off", the Internet will just become smaller and smaller.

NotPerfect
Sep 29, 2021
I guess we don't have to wait to the end of the century before poo poo really hits the fan.

Israeli study: Climate change already causing storm levels only expected in 2080

Times of Israel posted:


An Israeli study published on Thursday found that climate change is already causing a “considerable intensification” of winter storms in the Southern Hemisphere to a level not anticipated until 2080.

The study published by the Weizmann Institute of Science in the Nature Climate Change journal is part of an effort by scientists around the world to use 30 massive, intricate computer networks to better model and predict climate change.

The study, which compared previous predictions of human-caused intensification of winter storms in the Southern Hemisphere with current storm observations, found that the “bleak” reality was far worse than expected.


An Israeli study published on Thursday found that climate change is already causing a “considerable intensification” of winter storms in the Southern Hemisphere to a level not anticipated until 2080.

The study published by the Weizmann Institute of Science in the Nature Climate Change journal is part of an effort by scientists around the world to use 30 massive, intricate computer networks to better model and predict climate change.

The study, which compared previous predictions of human-caused intensification of winter storms in the Southern Hemisphere with current storm observations, found that the “bleak” reality was far worse than expected.

“It became clear that storm intensification over recent decades has already reached levels projected to occur in the year 2080,” said a statement from the institute.

The study, led by Dr. Rei Chemke of Weizmann’s Earth and Planetary Sciences Department in collaboration with Dr. Yi Ming of Princeton University and Dr. Janni Yuval of MIT, “shows that current climate models severely underestimate the intensification in mid-latitude storm tracks in recent decades,” the report said.

“A winter storm is a weather phenomenon that lasts only a few days. Individually, each storm doesn’t carry much climatic weight. However, the long-term effect of winter storms becomes evident when assessing cumulative data collected over long periods of time,” Chemke said, explaining that the storms affect the transfer of heat, moisture and momentum within the atmosphere, which consequently affects the various climate zones on Earth.

“One example of this is the role the storms play in regulating the temperature at the Earth’s poles. Winter storms are responsible for the majority of the heat transport away from tropical regions toward the poles,” he said, noting that without their contribution, the average pole temperatures would be about 30°C (54°F) lower.

Chemke also noted the current trends pose “a real and significant threat to societies in the Southern Hemisphere in the next decades.”

The study said it only examined storms in the Southern Hemisphere because the intensification there has so far been stronger than in the north. However, Chemke said that if the trend persists “we will be observing more significant winter storm intensification here in the upcoming years and decades.”

The study also investigated whether these sudden changes could be attributed to natural changes in climate patterns or were caused by external factors such as human activity and found that over the past 20 years, storms have been intensifying faster than can be explained by internal climatic behavior alone, the statement said.

The study also examined why current models were not able to accurately predict the storm changes and found that it was due to changes in atmospheric jet streams.

However, the study found that while there were problems predicting these specific events, most current computer modeling of climate change was accurate.

“The models are doing a very good job at forecasting nearly all the parameters,” Chemke said. “We’ve discovered one parameter for which the sensitivity of the models needs to be adjusted. Changes in temperature, precipitation, sea ice, and summer storm patterns, for example, are all being simulated accurately.”

Still, the research results were alarming, the study said, noting that climate projections for the coming decades are graver than previous assessments, and in this case with dire implications for the Southern Hemisphere.

“This means that rapid and decisive intervention is required in order to halt climate damage in this region,” the statement said.

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
Amazing how every time an article about climate change comes out, its always worse and happening faster than expected. There's never any "wow its slowing downs" ever.


Currently marveling that they put an individual plastic sticker on every single fruit at safeway.

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




silicone thrills posted:

Amazing how every time an article about climate change comes out, its always worse and happening faster than expected. There's never any "wow its slowing downs" ever.


Currently marveling that they put an individual plastic sticker on every single fruit at safeway.

fruit stickers are required to be edible so that is edible plastic thank you, us government for your protection

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things

Real hurthling! posted:

fruit stickers are required to be edible so that is edible plastic thank you, us government for your protection

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/fruit-stickers-edible/


MOSTLY FALSE.

Sad Billionaire
Mar 31, 2009

What a twist
Fan of Britches

Real hurthling! posted:

fruit stickers are required to be edible so that is edible plastic thank you, us government for your protection

I think we need to make a distinction between non-toxic and edible here

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things

Sad Billionaire posted:

I think we need to make a distinction between non-toxic and edible here

It's like eating teflon flakes. It won't immediately kill you.

Cabbages and VHS
Aug 25, 2004

Listen, I've been around a bit, you know, and I thought I'd seen some creepy things go on in the movie business, but I really have to say this is the most disgusting thing that's ever happened to me.

Confusedslight posted:

How long will the Internet infrastructure last? I'm semi serious. Because the real life ramifations of that going down is not a small thing. Not just for indoor shut ins like me. Or will the poors just get priced out as everything becomes even more unaffordable.

I think initially it'll balkanize as some states become less willing to traffic with others, and some states have failing infrastructure. You could say this has already started and make a reasonable case.

I think the USA generally will have "normal" internet access into the 2030s, for whatever "normal" means. Then the real wildride starts?

TeenageArchipelago posted:

Maybe scientists are bad at spelling. Try "faster then expected"

er, isn't that how climate change is happening, though? Faster, then expected?

Cabbages and VHS has issued a correction as of 22:54 on May 29, 2022

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
It's edible if I can fit it inside my mouth

Cabbages and VHS
Aug 25, 2004

Listen, I've been around a bit, you know, and I thought I'd seen some creepy things go on in the movie business, but I really have to say this is the most disgusting thing that's ever happened to me.

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

It's edible if I can fit it inside my mouth

vore titles

thats not candy
Mar 10, 2010

Hell Gem

Real hurthling! posted:

fruit stickers are required to be edible so that is edible plastic thank you, us government for your protection

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbwmOtJFJF0

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

in las vegas the current dewpoint is 9, the humidity is 4% lol

Mameluke
Aug 2, 2013

by Fluffdaddy

actionjackson posted:

in las vegas the current dewpoint is 9, the humidity is 4% lol

i hope all the very sexy porn people leave before the water runs out

Shifty Nipples
Apr 8, 2007

endlessmonotony posted:

Give me enough money I can afford to get my teeth fixed.

:same:

silicone thrills posted:

Amazing how every time an article about climate change comes out, its always worse and happening faster than expected. There's never any "wow its slowing downs" ever.


Currently marveling that they put an individual plastic sticker on every single fruit at safeway.

There is a Marvel Iron Man sticker on the bananas I bought a few days ago :psyduck:

Shifty Nipples has issued a correction as of 01:17 on May 30, 2022

RandomBlue
Dec 30, 2012

hay guys!


Biscuit Hider

Shifty Nipples posted:

:same:

There is a Marvel Iron Man sticker on the bananas I bought a few days ago :psyduck:

bananas are chock full of iron... men

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




god hands every american 2 sets of teeth and yet they want my taxes for more? i am a victim of communism

Hexigrammus
May 22, 2006

Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

Femur posted:

does this mean, in those pictures of a layer of plastics in the soil, it was probably there on purpose? to easier till the land basically?

I must apologize, I didn't traumatize you properly on the last page by introducing you to the wonders of modern agriculture. The article is referring to plastics in sewage sludge applied to fertilize farmland, but there's more!

Black plastic mulch applied over raised beds has been standard operating procedure on a lot of vegetable farms for years now. Heats up the soil so your crops grow faster and keeps the weeds down without using expensive chemicals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZGxaUO-yZk

For a standard strawberry bed there's a 4' wide strip of black plastic with two soft plastic irrigation tubes under it. This is only designed to last one season. They make machines now to reel up and recover the used plastic but when I first became aware of it (when our garden outgrew the irrigation equipment in Home Depot) s.o.p. was to till the whole mess into the soil.

This sentence sounds so stupid as I type it I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't researched and had it confirmed from multiple sources. I never used that vinyl tubing because despite it being cheap as hell it won't last more than a couple of seasons even under mulch.

When you reel up your bed plastic at the end of the season you put it into a dumpster and send it to a landfill or overseas to be burned in a cement kiln next to poor people who don't have the power to object to the cancer rates in their communities. Hell of a price to pay for strawberries.

mahershalalhashbaz
Jul 22, 2021

by Pragmatica

(and can't post for 10 days!)

Hexigrammus posted:

Hell of a price to pay for strawberries.
just so you know, i love your posts on farming and you are one of my top sources of agricultural wisdom right now

Harik
Sep 9, 2001

From the hard streets of Moscow
First dog to touch the stars


Plaster Town Cop

Confusedslight posted:

How long will the Internet infrastructure last? I'm semi serious. Because the real life ramifations of that going down is not a small thing. Not just for indoor shut ins like me. Or will the poors just get priced out as everything becomes even more unaffordable.

there will be internet infrastructure as long as you still get electricity. probably long after your electric is subject to rolling blackouts and potentially well into the isolated solar-chargers-only stage of collapse.

it's just too important in it's purpose of sedating the masses to be allowed to fail.

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
If we get a massive solar flare event like another carrington we will lose internet and communications overnight and poo poo will go WILD.


We are so built around "just in time" and immediate communications telling us where and how to ship things that the whole world will come to a stop.

Car Hater
May 7, 2007

wolf. bike.
Wolf. Bike.
Wolf! Bike!
WolfBike!
WolfBike!
ARROOOOOO!

silicone thrills posted:

If we get a massive solar flare event like another carrington we will lose internet and communications overnight and poo poo will go WILD.


We are so built around "just in time" and immediate communications telling us where and how to ship things that the whole world will come to a stop.

It would be such amazing content and no one would be able to post!

lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Hexigrammus posted:

I must apologize, I didn't traumatize you properly on the last page by introducing you to the wonders of modern agriculture. The article is referring to plastics in sewage sludge applied to fertilize farmland, but there's more!

Black plastic mulch applied over raised beds has been standard operating procedure on a lot of vegetable farms for years now. Heats up the soil so your crops grow faster and keeps the weeds down without using expensive chemicals.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZGxaUO-yZk

For a standard strawberry bed there's a 4' wide strip of black plastic with two soft plastic irrigation tubes under it. This is only designed to last one season. They make machines now to reel up and recover the used plastic but when I first became aware of it (when our garden outgrew the irrigation equipment in Home Depot) s.o.p. was to till the whole mess into the soil.

This sentence sounds so stupid as I type it I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't researched and had it confirmed from multiple sources. I never used that vinyl tubing because despite it being cheap as hell it won't last more than a couple of seasons even under mulch.

When you reel up your bed plastic at the end of the season you put it into a dumpster and send it to a landfill or overseas to be burned in a cement kiln next to poor people who don't have the power to object to the cancer rates in their communities. Hell of a price to pay for strawberries.

just tilling the plastic into the soil each year, as one does :stonklol:

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Fly Molo posted:

just tilling the plastic into the soil each year, as one does :stonklol:

I’m guessing this is considered chemical-free organic farming,, c/d?

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things

mawarannahr posted:

I’m guessing this is considered chemical-free organic farming,, c/d?

Correct. I used to chat with one of the potato farmers at the farmers markets in seattle and we talked about what "organic" labeling meant a ton.

Its organic because it doesnt use pesticides and certain herbicides but its insanely detrimental to the soil.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

So what I am reading here is that buying organic is accelerationism.

Mayor Dave
Feb 20, 2009

Bernie the Snow Clown
Plastic is inevitable

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

Mayor Dave posted:

Plastic is delicious

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
Wait a minute

:discourse:

Computer, enhance



It's a nurdle!!

Hubbert
Mar 25, 2007

At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
at least the nurdles are free range and cruelty free on this organic farm!

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Mike the TV
Jan 14, 2008

Ninety-nine ninety-nine ninety-nine

Pillbug

JeremoudCorbynejad posted:

Wait a minute

:discourse:

Computer, enhance



It's a nurdle!!

Ugh don't touch it.

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