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If you can't directly hold a holding in one of your counties, it's likely better for it to be a city than a castle (more money + more dev >>>>> more levies) but unless you're aiming for a innovations/dev snowball or are playing a faith with Lay Clergy it's probably still better for that holding to be a temple than a city because of the way vassal taxes work compared to the way leased temple holdings work - the latter are at least twice as lucrative all else equal. OTOH, since most Muslim faiths have lay clergy Metropolitan seems like it'll boost Iberian Muslim dynasties interestingly if they're prone to taking it (by default the legacy is limited to dynasties in the Struggle, like the Northern Lords legacies were limited to Norse/longship-havers) Dorkopotamis posted:WHILE I'M HERE: What's the current non-exploity way for generating renown? My instinct is mystical ancestors or castle keepers, but I've already played quite a bit with reach and am looking for something new. The straightforward way is still having a lot of independent rulers of your dynasty. Bonus if you have Royal Court and can load them up with +Renown artifacts. There are a few other traditions that aren't quite as broken about their Renown generation as Mystical Ancestors or Castle Keepers, like:
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Dorkopotamis posted:The new dynasty legacy "Metropolitan" really focuses on the development of cities. It has a capstone that lets you just add new building slots onto cities. There's no analogous ability for castles or temples. If cities are good, it would make this dynasty tree pretty good too! I saw that, very interesting. There's probably a way to pair this with republican legacy and parochialism culture tradition and make mega $$$.
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TjyvTompa posted:Try deleting/moving your old save games. I noticed that when I shut the game off I get a huge error log that spews out errors from old savegames. I am guessing that it loads the list for some reason and it is causing errors. Digging through the logs it turns out I'm just running out of RAM with the new DLC, 4GB isn't enough anymore. It runs on my laptop though, so at least that works. Some of the new culture traditions look really nice, I'm very much interested in trying this one out:  Tabletop warriors looks like a solid choice as well, and I think in a multiplayer game the wagers would be a lot of fun. 
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Losing my realm because I suck at Monopoly, lol. Started up my save, and it still worked despite the update, so I'm happy. I already saw a dissolution faction at work on my neighbor, the Abbasid empire. It's rapidly falling apart from me holy waring for a kingdom, and three separate factions.
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Tatsuta Age posted:if you're focused on the Intrigue tree, sometimes you get a chance to wipe out a ton of people in your jails in one fell swoop, become The Impaler, and get a ton of dread This is one of the most metal events: You have a dream about a forest filled with the corpses of your enemies, then wake up and make it happen.  I got it a few times with my albino terror queen in my Ireland run. Also, perma-100 dread is some wacky poo poo. The downside to relying on dread is that your vassals will have a MASSIVE "I hated your mom/dad's guts" malus when succession happens, meaning you either need to chain dread forward, be really good at diplomatic juggling, or have the aforementioned gigantic private army to repress them during the first 5 years of your new guy's tenure.SlothBear posted:Ah yes, unexpected ruler death can make things super fun and intense. Some of my favorite times in CK3. I felt pretty drat good about keeping all the plates spinning. It's the cleanup after that is a bureaucratic nightmare. I need some rear end in a top hat who will rubber stamp all the revocations and lottery them out to the general public. And also make sure all the contracts are signed with "Forced Partition" selected. I tend to go for that first to make sure vassals blow up properly when they die/you kill them. I absolutely split one of the giant duchies that had formed in my realm by hooking them into FP and then assassinating the vassal, splitting it into three domains. The next succession is the least Norse Norseman to ever Norse. He's a craven stewardship guy who hit the genetic lottery. He's not going to be beating down any berserkers, but he has enough gold to pay everyone off a few times over, so I'm basically taking this as my "consolidate and develop" era after his dad took most of Germany and Iberia. So just your normal Haesteinn game.  edit: lmao something got hosed by the update in my ironman game  edit 2: I didn't actually mouse over the 25% and uh, I think something went squirrely with the "Control the Mediterranean" decision  
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This 1066 Fatimid run is just going so swimmingly. There is something deeply satisfying after some Pagan Europe runs to Conquer CBing my Astray neighbors and demanding conversions. When I first started out spreading the word I rarely had people convert after being conquered, but now they just accept and we all good. I move my Ayatollah in and we move on to conquer some more. I'm thinking about reforming the Isma'ili faith but not sure what I would choose other than the Communal one that makes conversion easier. Maybe Communion.
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Had a sort of odd thing happen where I died, but then a month later the game froze and I had to restart from the auto save from before I died. Well now I’ve gone two more years and I keep wondering when I’m gonna croak again.
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Bird in a Blender posted:Had a sort of odd thing happen where I died, but then a month later the game froze and I had to restart from the auto save from before I died. Well now I’ve gone two more years and I keep wondering when I’m gonna croak again. Just before you win a very important claim war
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Is this working as intended? I'm hoping that after I conduct a Hajj and get rid of my domain penalty it'll be all good.
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Those last screenshots gave me a good snort, each. Looks like the patch needs a bit more playtesting?
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Edit: wait this isn't the hockey thread
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I sacrificed Caliph Fayiz of the Abbasid, and now the followers of Islam are out for my head. What they don't understand is that, since picking up the Making a Killing perk, I get 5 gold for every 100 fatal casualties. More blood for the All-Father 
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Has anyone figured out Struggle For Iberia? So far it just seems like base, but I'm pretty chill with everyone else in Iberia, despite cultural and religious differences. We're all declaring friendships with one another in a way reminiscent of Pakastani Facebook. I noticed one or two extra events, but nothing mind blowing. I think I should probably restart and invade as a viking. That might be more a splash.
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I think you are supposed to make plays for territory you want while doing diplomacy/intrigue/bribing with other people to pump up the meters.
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My first hour or so impression starting as a one county Mozarabic count was that with the lack of holy wars and presence of interfatih marriage things are much more chill, but with everyone having super cheap mercs and a lot more access to allies war is a lot more about waiting for the right moment. At the same time a small little province you weren't taking seriously might suddenly ally with the gigantic blob of the other faith due to a marriage and invade you with a massive army of allies. But despite this general chillness my game made it to hostility first, as it seems that things like building farms in a castle holding increase hostility, which seems odd to me. There are some really cool new casus belli that involve just wrecking people's poo poo and not bothering to conquer it, which is fun. And there is an interaction to raise rebels on someone and destabilize their realm, which seems like it should be available in more than just Iberia. In fact a lot of these cool new toys seem a bit wasted limited to one area, but as the struggle system expands to other region I assume we'll get more of it across the globe. Playing chess is fun.  Also it might just be small sample size but I'm seeing a lot fewer kids.
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Crashed twice entering the court screen where you can change your funding for food, fashion, and whatever. Then the Paradox error reporting thing crashed when I put in what happened and sent it.
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Fate of Iberia trip report on my Roman Empire save from the previous patch aka yesterday: 1. Control the Mediterranean is giving me 700 renown per month. 2. The Abbasid Empire shattered, assumedly from a Dissolution Faction, about 1 month after I unpaused the game after booting up. 3. I have a county that consists of a city and no other holdings, with no ruler, who is independent from my realm and who I cannot interact with. Bugs? Features? I love Paradox patch day.
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Warmachine posted:edit: lmao something got hosed by the update in my ironman game code:
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Dorkopotamis posted:I think I should probably restart and invade as a viking. That might be more a splash. norse to ireland to iberia then onto sicily is an extremely strong set of cultural traits and you can pull it off in like three generations with malleable invaders.
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boo boo bear posted:norse to ireland to iberia then onto sicily is an extremely strong set of cultural traits and you can pull it off in like three generations with malleable invaders. What traditions are you picking up in Ireland and Iberia?
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the dockyard gold boost from ireland and artisans in iberia, you can grab pastoralism from either as well.
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Blimpkin posted:I'm thinking about reforming the Isma'ili faith but not sure what I would choose other than the Communal one that makes conversion easier. Maybe Communion. Be forewarned: the bonus to conversion is only in counties that have the same culture as you. If they do not, it applies a penalty instead.
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I've tried starting a game in Iberia to check out the struggle. I went with the "recommended" Guifré of Barcelona start - yeah I know it's deemed hard but it seemed more interesting than the count of Galicia or the weird mozarabic guy with a funny name - and it didn't take long to grab a couple alliances and wreck my liege's army, regaining the Duchy of Gothia and the county of Barcelona for myself and now my rival cousin is my vassal I'm quite at a loss on how to proceed now though - I'm still a vassal to the King of France who looks very powerful and kinda unbeatable from where I stand... Ideally I guess I'd start angling for independence ASAP when I have the occasion, and then start nibbling at my Iberic neighbors, probably the kingdom of Navarra since the big muslim blob is still big and blobby? Guess I have a long way to get established enough to be an actual player (unless the muslim blob collapses and I can take some counts/dukes one on one...) and I'm not sure if I can make much of the struggle from this position TorakFade fucked around with this message at 11:11 on Jun 1, 2022 |
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TorakFade posted:I've tried starting a game in Iberia to check out the struggle. I went with the "recommended" Guifré of Barcelona start - yeah I know it's deemed hard but it seemed more interesting than the count of Galicia or the weird mozarabic guy with a funny name - and it didn't take long to grab a couple alliances and wreck my liege's army, regaining the Duchy of Gothia and the county of Barcelona for myself and now my rival cousin is my vassal I started a game with the weird mozarabic count in Galicia and is going pretty well. He starts a bit stronger than his neighbours counts and is a good commander, so I was able to conquer than all in a few years. Than I was strong enough to break independent from the duke of Portucale and conquer him right after (that struggle CB is pretty great). Now Im building strength to attack the muslims to the south and form Portugal Im not sure what I think of the struggle thing yet, but there seems of be a lot of small additions and improvements all around and the game seems to be running smoother. The iberian haircuts and clothes are great too Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 14:57 on Jun 1, 2022 |
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Neurion posted:Be forewarned: the bonus to conversion is only in counties that have the same culture as you. If they do not, it applies a penalty instead. Noted, I actually came to this realization myself and realized it would be so incredibly useless for me with my 1 county culture of Palestinian. It would actually instantly set OFF factions rather than bring the realm together. Also, apparently you can't reform/form a new Muslim faith if you are the head of faith.
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binge crotching posted:
Edit 2: Reading this post again, I explained it poorly. Here's what's happening: a house modifier affects every member of the house. For example, the Witch Coven modifier only appears on the house screen, but it gives every house member +10% fertility, a disease resistance boost, and some hostile scheme resistance. So if you have a mouse modifier which gives +25% monthly renown, it gives every house member +25% monthly renown. The problem is that giving a single character +X% monthly renown actually affects the renown generation of the entire dynasty, not just that character. This, to my knowledge, has always been the case, and was something I discovered when modding. So this outcome seems intentional up to the point where every character is %-boosting the entire dynasty, which is almost certainly not intended. One would probably expect every character having a X% monthly renown modifier to only affect their personal renown generation, rather than that of the whole dynasty, but that's not how it works. Magil Zeal fucked around with this message at 16:03 on Jun 1, 2022 |
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So where is El Cid for that new achievement? Edit: Looked it up, he's in King Sancho's court. Gonna make a custom female ruler master of intrigue and get that boy to conbquer everything for me. MonsieurChoc fucked around with this message at 22:39 on Jun 1, 2022 |
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These guys offering to lend me their piddly 500 troops gets annoying.
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Metropolitan looks interesting, but it seems to be limited entirely to the spanish struggle. Not sure which area would be best for city spamming.
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I'm on the home stretch of my Nubia playthrough and I'm noticing that a lot of the cultures I gobbled up early in my game never really developed (probably because they were left with no landed characters, or with just a count with lovely stats and worse lineage). I never actually tried to convert cultures (outside of one or two juicy counties I kept for my demesne) and instead just promoted cultural acceptance to prevent peasant revolts (which largely worked, in the long run), but checking the development map is like looking at that satellite image of the North/South Korean border. It's probably not worth the trouble now since I've already cleared the tech tree and am swimming in cash, but for the future, would it be preferable to convert to my culture any small cultures that are left headless by my conquering? I don't have the expansion so I don't have access to the fancy hybrid culture stuff (I think). The only plus I could see at keeping these orphaned cultures would be if they had some fancy trait I could take advantage of (like the Somalians who I think had the coveted pirate tradition), but even then I'm not sure if it compensates for the development sink. Then again, if they're not going to be held by me directly, it can be better for my vassals to be stuck with the boonies rather than with territory that could actually net them a decent army and coffers.
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Took Roma, and most of the Anointed Kingdom from the Pope, with an Invade Kingdom CB, which vassalized him in Bulgaria. He took the Duke of Spoleto with him. He also left his coat of arms behind because the Papal Title has no Coat of Arms now. It's just transparent.  e:  I really want Temujin's grand-daughter to make this work. Blimpkin fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Jun 2, 2022 |
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The game has been freezing up on me a ton since the update. I’ve had freezing problems before, but it usually stops after a day. If this keeps up, I might have to stop playing. I haven’t bought the latest release, but I hate to spend money to have the same problems.
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SexyBlindfold posted:I'm on the home stretch of my Nubia playthrough and I'm noticing that a lot of the cultures I gobbled up early in my game never really developed (probably because they were left with no landed characters, or with just a count with lovely stats and worse lineage). I never actually tried to convert cultures (outside of one or two juicy counties I kept for my demesne) and instead just promoted cultural acceptance to prevent peasant revolts (which largely worked, in the long run), but checking the development map is like looking at that satellite image of the North/South Korean border. It's probably not worth the trouble now since I've already cleared the tech tree and am swimming in cash, but for the future, would it be preferable to convert to my culture any small cultures that are left headless by my conquering? I don't have the expansion so I don't have access to the fancy hybrid culture stuff (I think). The only plus I could see at keeping these orphaned cultures would be if they had some fancy trait I could take advantage of (like the Somalians who I think had the coveted pirate tradition), but even then I'm not sure if it compensates for the development sink. Then again, if they're not going to be held by me directly, it can be better for my vassals to be stuck with the boonies rather than with territory that could actually net them a decent army and coffers. Generally, spreading your culture outside of your own counties is not a good idea; each extra county is likely to lower the relative development of your lands, which makes innovations slower, and more counties that are of your culture means it takes longer to add new traditions (though obviously these things aren't that much of a concern in your current game, I am speaking generally, since you did ask about future playthroughs). While in theory it's nice to have developed vassals so they pay you more in taxes, realistically it's not worth the effort of using your steward to try and improve them. Far better to focus on your domain instead. I'm pretty sure even the "collect taxes" task will give you better returns than trying to develop your vassals.
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Unify the Spanish Thrones is a frickin trap option if you wanna end the Iberian struggle hostilely...
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These are 2 things I dont like in CK3: tech (innovations) being tied to specific cultures and the speed you get these innovations being related to average development of the culture (which means smaller cultures are in advantage) I honestly think CK2 system was better
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What are the thoughts on absolute crown authority once you’re at empire size? I kind of enjoy watching my vassals map paint without any effort on my part and I have plenty of levies and gold income.
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Dr. Clockwork posted:What are the thoughts on absolute crown authority once you’re at empire size? I kind of enjoy watching my vassals map paint without any effort on my part and I have plenty of levies and gold income. The real advantage of Absolute for me is not the levies or the gold, but being able to use "designate heir" (which is always useful and also can be used togheter with seniority to give you a way out of partition a lot earlier than primo/ultimo) As for the vassals, I also like them to be able to freely declare wars so what I do when Im on absolute is to individually give war declaration rights to all of them or at least the big ones
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Buschmaki posted:Unify the Spanish Thrones is a frickin trap option if you wanna end the Iberian struggle hostilely... Yeah, it means you need to do a lot more culture conversion. The "control 2 kingdoms" requirement isn't noticeably harder, seeing as Navarra is right there. That said, Navarra is so tiny that it might be worthwhile to just focus your conversions on that kingdom, and switch your capital to the county of Navarra to satisfy the requirement.
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Torrannor posted:Yeah, it means you need to do a lot more culture conversion. The "control 2 kingdoms" requirement isn't noticeably harder, seeing as Navarra is right there. That said, Navarra is so tiny that it might be worthwhile to just focus your conversions on that kingdom, and switch your capital to the county of Navarra to satisfy the requirement. Lmao yeah that's what I did, just culture converted to Basque and formed Navarra, still super weird that the decision for consolidating the Spanish thrones doesnt synergize with the conquest resolution...
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Elias_Maluco posted:These are 2 things I dont like in CK3: tech (innovations) being tied to specific cultures and the speed you get these innovations being related to average development of the culture (which means smaller cultures are in advantage) I've been warming up to in in this playthrough because one of the things I realized is that by hybridizing I can get techs WAY faster. What I don't like is that cultural (and faith) spread doesn't make any sense to me and the only way I seem to have to interact with it is 1) Make my Steward spend 20 years promoting my culture in one county, in which case if I wanted to make Greco-Basco-Norse culture spread throughout my current empire it would take longer than the entire span of time between 867 and 1453. 2) Place my vassals in place with my culture and hope they spread it instead of just converting. The state of the map suggests this is not what is happening. 3) Hope there is some esoteric background system where peasant migrations can spread it? And if so, this is probably working against the smaller culture anyway. Replace 'culture' with 'faith' and you have my critique of the religion map as well. I don't understand how I'm supposed to meaningfully interact with these systems while playing wide.
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