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Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

INSERT QUACK TO CONTINUE


Taco Defender

fast cars loose anus posted:

It's genuinely hard for me to understand that reaction of "well the overall economy is doing great!" when the complaining person is saying "high gas and food prices are making my life much harder"

The first thing doesn't in any way address the second thing so why are you bringing it up?

One of the core pillars of the party is gaslighting people by whatever means they think they can. This poo poo is just more of that.

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The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

fast cars loose anus posted:

It's genuinely hard for me to understand that reaction of "well the overall economy is doing great!" when the complaining person is saying "high gas and food prices are making my life much harder"

The first thing doesn't in any way address the second thing so why are you bringing it up?

The democrats completely stopped doing anything positive legislatively about five decades ago and now prefer to simply tell you to shut the gently caress up and vote for them or else you're defacto supporting New Hitler by your absence of support for Current Hindenburg

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!

Shear Modulus posted:

they're buying formula in england and australia and then flying it over in military cargo planes

https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1532030762517774337

then they're giving it to target

https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1532031137526296580

free market solutions

Zvahl
Oct 14, 2005

научный кот

a powerpoint about how you stupid peasants just don't know how much better you have it under blue team as voter outreach is a little on the nose

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
At least trump pointed at an big irrelevant number and said "went up!"

FuzzySlippers
Feb 6, 2009

Aren't BLS stats complete nonsense in the age of gig jobs anyway? Dems just need to convince those uber drivers that their career path is awesome and sustainable thanks to Biden

Dr. Kyle Farnsworth
Apr 23, 2004

The reason the libs just want to fact check with numbers is libs think the system is fine. Libs worship the system. They don't care about outcomes as long as the process is followed. Remember Hillary's "America is already great?" The liberal thinks that sure there are problems with the system but those can be solved with some tinkering around the edges by The Right People who are Well Qualified and Qent To The Right Schools and Have A Good Resume (i.e. them).

They do not have core principles as we understand them. For example, I think it's monstrous that people die for lack of health care in one of the richest and most powerful countries in the history of the world. If you asked me how many people should die because of lack of health care, it's 0.

Liberals would say this is bizarre and simplistic and just not the way the world works and if you really pressed them and got them to quit circling around you tossing smarm they'd admit they are actually fine with some people dying for lack of health care as long as it was *those* people, the unworthy.

Think of the way liberals treat the south. By their expressed values, they are protectors of the poor and black. But listen to them talk and most of them would happily cede the southern states (which are the poorest and blackest states!) Into Jesusland so they didn't have to deal with the lumpenproles who don't vote for them because the Republicans have the audacity to actually Do Things. And they really do get mad because Republicans do things. But not because of the outcomes! But because it is just a policy enacted, not something created by a Blue Ribbon Comission of the Best and Brightest Who Went to the Right Schools And Made Tough Choices To Determine Technocratically Perfect Outcomes.

This is why Trump threw them into a rage. Because he would just say "I wanna send everybody checks! With my name on them!" And made it happen, which not only wasn't respecting the system, it also revealed the lie that its just plain too hard to get anything done besides tinker around the edges.

The irony is it's liberals who are the biggest defenders of the status quo and conservatives are the ones who want to tear it down. America, what a country.

Dr. Kyle Farnsworth has issued a correction as of 01:49 on Jun 2, 2022

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Conservatives don't want to tear anything down, they just want to change the people in charge. That's basically what right-wing populism is: the idea that the system itself is fine, it is the people in charge who are the problem.

Anyway, time to impeach Trump a 3rd time.

BitcoinRockefeller
May 11, 2003

God gave me my money.

Hair Elf
Having lost ground amongst latino and black voters the democrat party has decided gently caress it, let's alienate even more minority blocks, starting with these homosexuals and their pride month:

https://twitter.com/AndrewFeinberg/status/1532076930274578433

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
https://twitter.com/nandelabra/status/1532139049665892352?t=p3AAKa8DasFKTGyVay_3LQ&s=19

Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

Nah that won’t happen till January.

Oh, at the polls. Yeah, sure, November.

Antonymous
Apr 4, 2009

"Jill biden announces Nancy Reagan stamp" is extremely good writing, this season rules

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

Dr. Kyle Farnsworth posted:


The irony is it's liberals who are the biggest defenders of the status quo and conservatives are the ones who want to tear it down. America, what a country.

yeah if you wanna get a lib really fuckin mad point out that they're definitionally a conservative

(and they get even madder when you point out that the people who call themselves conservatives are literally just fascists)

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Republicans: More money for us. gently caress you.

Democrats: More money for us. You're welcome

Vim Fuego
Jun 1, 2000


Ultra Carp

projecthalaxy posted:

Remember during the 2016 general when the Michigan or whatever dems were like "please abuela may we have even one yard sign, a crumb of pamphlet" and promptly got embedded by ducklo lol

lmao

Der Meister
May 12, 2001

I wonder if the republican congress will at least be funny

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Conservatives don't want to tear anything down, they just want to change the people in charge. That's basically what right-wing populism is: the idea that the system itself is fine, it is the people in charge who are the problem.
adorno's writings on "pseudoconservatives" describes the typical MAGA man. they are ready to rebel against the (false / usurper) king, but never the crown as such, which makes their form of rebellion paradoxically dependent on authority.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
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Trabisnikof posted:

please they'd be unpaid volunteers

they will be paid volunteers

them paying the dems

ELTON JOHN
Feb 17, 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkmckYTJgEQ

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
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fast cars loose anus posted:

It's genuinely hard for me to understand that reaction of "well the overall economy is doing great!" when the complaining person is saying "high gas and food prices are making my life much harder"

The first thing doesn't in any way address the second thing so why are you bringing it up?

there's always the very valid argument if the first thing isn't good then the second thing would be much worse, you idiots

ELTON JOHN
Feb 17, 2014
if you look at slide 57, fig. 14, you will see that you are actually doing really well

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Conservatives don't want to tear anything down, they just want to change the people in charge. That's basically what right-wing populism is: the idea that the system itself is fine, it is the people in charge who are the problem.

Anyway, time to impeach Trump a 3rd time.

That's not exactly true. Conservatives don't want to tear things down in the sense that we, the left, do. They do believe in a vision of America as it exists and a path by which that vision can become reality. But they don't believe that it's just the people in charge which are the problem. I mean they do believe that but not *just* that; they believe that "mistakes" have been made which need to be undone.

The key difference between a lib ("America is already great") and a conservative is that conservatives see a political means to accomplish their goals and libs lack political goals of any kind. Conservatives are building something, libs merely wish to use the existing political machinery for graft. Both will tell you they're fans of America, but make no mistake that conservatives very much want to change it.

I'm not going to quote Dr. Kyle Farnsworth but all of that is correct. I understand the quibble with the idea of conservatives wanting to "tear it down" but I feel like that was more a poor word choice because should the conservative project be completed, as seems more likely every day, America would indeed be completely changed (although I would also argue it could not be described as torn down, simply more naked in what it has always been).

Nocturtle
Mar 17, 2007

Corey Robin's description of conservatism as a "mode of counterrevolutionary practice" to protect the status quo works well in the modern western context. Conservatives build political groups intended to oppose real or perceived threats to the existing distribution of wealth and power. This means modern western conservatives don't want to challenge capitalism or white supremacy at all, but instead are uniting against reformers or out groups that in their view are endangering or weakening society.

Meanwhile Liberals are equally committed to the essential elements of modern society's power structure, but try to defend it on it's own merits and claim that alternatives are impossible. This isn't working well right now, with a growing fraction of the public impoverished.

In this view modern America has two political parties thoroughly committed to preserving the essential status quo. One builds support via popular anger against those they claim are ruining everything. The other offers a milquetoast defense that this is the best that can be done and they're better than the other party. It's not hard to see which is going to be more successful as material conditions continue to decline, which is why the Democrats are going to get destroyed.

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

docbeard posted:

Republicans: More money for us. gently caress you.

Democrats: More money for us. You're welcome

https://twitter.com/davidsirota/status/1532333122812907520

fast cars loose anus
Mar 2, 2007

Pillbug
Fuckin lmao

"Hey is there any group we haven't alienated yet?"
"Old people?"
"ON IT!"

Mokelumne Trekka
Nov 22, 2015

Soon.

"things are great actually, you are just stupid and need to get a better job" is what Hilary's campaign message on the economy was, I seem to recall

F_Shit_Fitzgerald
Feb 2, 2017




The red wave just got 10 feet taller.

Dr. Kyle Farnsworth
Apr 23, 2004

yeah she went to a thing of west virginia coal miners and told them to learn to code iirc
even today liberals are mad about it like "she was TRYING to help them get better jobs but those drat chuds wouldn't listen to their abuela"

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



here's me

https://twitter.com/LaurieFare1/status/1532346558641016832

joepinetree
Apr 5, 2012
https://twitter.com/kff/status/1458494920424034305?lang=en

it's always fun to play the "can you tell the difference between the parties" with data like this.

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014


the health care plan the GOP came up with was later encoded into law as the "affordable care act"

the white hand
Nov 12, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
mitt romney with a slide rule going "yes...yes"

THS2
Oct 2, 2021

it was pretty funny when democrats stole mitt romney’s healthcare plan and mitt had to pretend it was big government socialism

even funnier was the democrats loving up the implementation catastrophically when the website didnt work

still funnier than even that was the legislation being graft written by the insurance industry and all the plans being worse than useless

cherry on top? getting fined by the federal government if you couldnt afford to pay for this insurance scam

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle

THS2 posted:

it was pretty funny when democrats stole mitt romney’s healthcare plan and mitt had to pretend it was big government socialism

even funnier was the democrats loving up the implementation catastrophically when the website didnt work

still funnier than even that was the legislation being graft written by the insurance industry and all the plans being worse than useless

cherry on top? getting fined by the federal government if you couldnt afford to pay for this insurance scam

https://twitter.com/LaurieFare1/status/1532374595537448960

tenderjerk
Nov 6, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 371 days!

THS2 posted:

whats bidens plan for monkeypox

WHYWHYWHYWHYWHY YER GETTIN NERVOUS COME ON MAN

Zvahl
Oct 14, 2005

научный кот

the government gives everyone the opportunity to throw money into the fire for garbage plans that will actively try to hurt you, don't you dumb voters understand that

tenderjerk
Nov 6, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 371 days!
I remember obamacare actually being pretty affordable if you qualified for the discount waiver, but holy poo poo do you get hosed on this come tax season

Garbage rear end plan from garbage rear end party

fast cars loose anus
Mar 2, 2007

Pillbug

Dr. Kyle Farnsworth posted:

yeah she went to a thing of west virginia coal miners and told them to learn to code iirc
even today liberals are mad about it like "she was TRYING to help them get better jobs but those drat chuds wouldn't listen to their abuela"

There was a period of time for which tweeting "learn to code" at a journalist who got laid off earned you a twitter ban. For all I know it might still.

And the idea of hey this industry is dying and it wont be coming back is something that happens, but the proper response is to actually pay for and support retraining the people in it not just tell them "figure it out yourself"

Winifred Madgers
Feb 12, 2002

Mokelumne Trekka posted:

"things are great actually, you are just stupid and need to get a better job" is what Hilary's campaign message on the economy was, I seem to recall

"It's the economy, stupid" -> "The economy is good, stupid"

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the white hand
Nov 12, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
in a move which folks, nobody could have seen this, the wall street journal published biden entirely so they could kneecap him later in a more fun way

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