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At least my chances of dying in a mass shooting are less than my chances of dying of COVID
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ikanreed posted:At least my chances of dying in a mass shooting are less than my chances of dying of COVID idk about mass shootings specifically but statistically if you’re an American under 40 you’re more likely to be killed by a bullet than covid.
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Jun 2, 2022 23:42
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TheSlutPit posted:idk about mass shootings specifically but statistically if you’re an American under 40 you’re more likely to be killed by a bullet than covid. The comorbidities are kind of opposites when you think about it
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Jun 2, 2022 23:46
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ikanreed posted:At least my chances of dying in a mass shooting are less than my chances of dying of COVID good thing nobody gives a poo poo about either
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Jun 3, 2022 00:04
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TheSlutPit posted:idk about mass shootings specifically but statistically if you’re an American under 40 you’re more likely to be killed by a bullet than covid. eh this is only because the data for "statistical" cause of deaths is a wildly inconsistent system of independent coroners glancing at a corpse and filling out a form without doing any standardized tests for bacterial or virus related biomarkers. bullets are an easy autopsy report. a 30 year old dying of a heart attack isn’t initially obvious that the blood clots were the direct result of a covid infection that created a bunch of blood clots that can’t be cleared naturally alongside vagus irregularities leading to heart arrhythmia and the coroner can’t be bothered to even run a standard covid test because that costs them time and money and there’s more corpses that need death certificates  https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/nation/2021/12/22/covid-deaths-obscured-inaccurate-death-certificates/8899157002/ posted:Short-staffed, undertrained and overworked coroners and medical examiners took families at their word when they called to report the death of a relative at home. Coroners and medical examiners didn’t review medical histories or order tests to look for COVID-19. They and some physicians attributed deaths to inaccurate and nonspecific causes that are meaningless to pathologists. In some cases, stringent rules for attributing a death to COVID-19 created obstacles for relatives of the deceased and contradicted CDC guidance. for data on covid deaths you have to look at excess mortality rates https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/...ZAF~CHE~SWE~THA
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Jun 3, 2022 00:10
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Lol that the Discourse remembered that mass shootings are constant here and lol that they'll move on in a week
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Computer Serf posted:eh this is only because the data for "statistical" cause of deaths is a wildly inconsistent system of independent coroners glancing at a corpse and filling out a form without doing any standardized tests for bacterial or virus related biomarkers. Unless you think covid deaths are being underreported by a factor of 2x or more, this doesn’t do much but shift the age cutoff a little. If you only look at children 1-17 the official CDC count is 1086 deaths over the entirely of the pandemic, compare this to 4368 gun deaths in 2020 alone in the same age group, 2811 of which were homicides. For under 40, the official covid death count (again over the entirety of the pandemic) is 25710, compared to 24531 for gun deaths in the same age group in 2020 alone. It’s definitely tough to compare the statistics accurately due to differences in how theyre tracked and how accurate the numbers are, but it’s really not even that close.
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TheSlutPit posted:Unless you think covid deaths are being underreported by a factor of 2x or more, this doesn’t do much but shift the age cutoff a little. If you only look at children 1-17 the official CDC count is 1086 deaths over the entirely of the pandemic, compare this to 4368 gun deaths in 2020 alone in the same age group, 2811 of which were homicides. For under 40, the official covid death count (again over the entirety of the pandemic) is 25710, compared to 24531 for gun deaths in the same age group in 2020 alone. It’s definitely tough to compare the statistics accurately due to differences in how theyre tracked and how accurate the numbers are, but it’s really not even that close. life expectancy <60 years by 2030 with more NYT's "connect all the dots except the last" gaping hot takes
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Jun 3, 2022 00:40
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Palladium posted:life expectancy <60 years by 2030 with more NYT's "connect all the dots except the last" gaping hot takes Breaking: The White House has released a statement encouraging would-be mass shooters to focus their efforts on retired Americans, saying “while we condemn all acts of mass murder, violent psychopaths should consider their patriotic duty to our fine American industries”
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Jun 3, 2022 01:10
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Covid deaths are undercounted by 10-20%, so it's still correct to say that if you're under 40, you're more likely to be killed by a gun than by covid. Unlike cops, who are more likely to die of covid than by shooting.
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TheSlutPit posted:Unless you think covid deaths are being underreported by a factor of 2x or more, this doesn’t do much but shift the age cutoff a little. If you only look at children 1-17 the official CDC count is 1086 deaths over the entirely of the pandemic, compare this to 4368 gun deaths in 2020 alone in the same age group, 2811 of which were homicides. For under 40, the official covid death count (again over the entirety of the pandemic) is 25710, compared to 24531 for gun deaths in the same age group in 2020 alone. It’s definitely tough to compare the statistics accurately due to differences in how theyre tracked and how accurate the numbers are, but it’s really not even that close. It’s probably higher than 2x. In 2020 the CDC was estimating they were undercounting cases by a factor of 2.9x and that excess deaths were a clearer indicator of actual covid deaths. Now that we’ve stopped trying to get an accurate count on cases it’s reasonable to assume excess death is still a better indicator of actual covid deaths. US Covid cases may be 30 times higher than reported https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/jun/01/us-covid-surge-cases-rate Preliminary data shows a higher death rate and an increase in excess deaths in 2021 https://usafacts.org/articles/covid-excess-deaths-causes-2021/ If I have to choose ideally I would never die but if I have to die I want to die of euphoria at an old age but if I have to choose gunshot or covid its going to depend on context.
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Atrocious Joe posted:https://twitter.com/AP/status/1532416542436216832?s=20&t=QwEWYlvQS4nd6YQwJu1-GA blaming the teacher didn't work so they're going to try blaming the 911 operator who had to listen to children dying
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Jun 3, 2022 04:21
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No way to know that the gunman in the school was causing problems without access to those 911 calls
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Jun 3, 2022 04:31
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https://twitter.com/JulianGi11/status/1532451964457566210?s=20&t=Z0Y2b4gvqfTfLJ378krWdg the bikers were threatening to arrest that reporter for assault. I'm fine with motorcycle weirdos harassing the press with police permission, but saying you're an EMT and bumping into you is a felony should be a capital offense. quote:By J. David Goodman The New York Times says a cop at the scene was talking to his wife inside the classroom when it was going down. Also the DA is is now handling all inquiries and she is avoiding the press. https://twitter.com/ShimonPro/status/1532361200805232640?s=20&t=Z0Y2b4gvqfTfLJ378krWdg
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Jun 3, 2022 04:53
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So it was actually a hostage situation? What the gently caress was going on Next thing we know uvalde is going to say no one was dead until the border patrol went in
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Jun 3, 2022 04:56
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Lol just amazing amounts of cover up. Can't say I'm bothered about the graveyard one though.
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Jun 3, 2022 05:25
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mastershakeman posted:So it was actually a hostage situation? What the gently caress was going on we’re gonna find out the 18 year old was a cop
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mastershakeman posted:So it was actually a hostage situation? What the gently caress was going on It is astounding how murky this has been. It could be weeks before we have a clear picture. This story is just going to keep getting weirder. This is going to end with the slain kids all appearing alive in Jarden, TX and it will be a miracle.
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Jun 3, 2022 06:54
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We're never gonna get a clear picture, they're spending as much effort as possible to muddy the waters
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Jun 3, 2022 06:57
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did they ever find out what was behind the 2020 attacks in nova scotia where the guy got like tons of cash out of a brinks and then pretended to be a cop and killed a bunch of people and the mounties covered it up? that one was wild
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what i mean i guess is that if the dang canadians could cover up that successfully the americans should have no trouble with this one
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Jun 3, 2022 08:00
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Mia Wasikowska posted:did they ever find out what was behind the 2020 attacks in nova scotia where the guy got like tons of cash out of a brinks and then pretended to be a cop and killed a bunch of people and the mounties covered it up? that one was wild you've got it. he was an informant for the police and the operation went sideways. or not?????
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Jun 3, 2022 08:01
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look we know u just wanted to teach but heres 40k a year and a Glock 19 to likely kill one of your students in the future
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Jun 3, 2022 08:35
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I'm ok with it
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Google Butt posted:look we know u just wanted to teach but heres 40k a year and a Glock 19 to likely kill one of your students in the future Also if a student steals said Glock and shoots someone you will be charged with felony murder Giving teachers guns, even if that eliminated all mass shooting deaths, would still probably get more kids killed by filling schools with guns And in return it wouldn't even eliminate any mass shooting deaths
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Jun 3, 2022 13:45
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I saw someone pointing out last night that more and more shootings are being reported on as "mass shootings" even though they don't really qualify under the standard definition so that they can muddy the statistics that mass shooters are overwhelmingly white.
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Jun 3, 2022 14:13
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giving guns to one of the most repressive occupations is a good idea
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Jun 3, 2022 14:14
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Mia Wasikowska posted:did they ever find out what was behind the 2020 attacks in nova scotia where the guy got like tons of cash out of a brinks and then pretended to be a cop and killed a bunch of people and the mounties covered it up? that one was wild Recently they allowed the two lead RCMP officers to not be cross examined by the families lawyers and just give their statements via recorded streams and said they'd take questions at another time. Evidence also came out that the RCMP warned family members and friends that there was a gunman on the loose before alerting the public.
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Jun 3, 2022 14:51
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Retromancer posted:I saw someone pointing out last night that more and more shootings are being reported on as "mass shootings" even though they don't really qualify under the standard definition so that they can muddy the statistics that mass shooters are overwhelmingly white. “how do we roll all black homicides into theses statistics so everyone blames the right people” - neo nazis in every level of govt
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Retromancer posted:I saw someone pointing out last night that more and more shootings are being reported on as "mass shootings" even though they don't really qualify under the standard definition so that they can muddy the statistics that mass shooters are overwhelmingly white. dont school shooters roughly reflect the overall male demographics, so since there's more white males than other races there's more white shooters just looked and of the top 10 school shooters in usa history only 4 were done by white men - lanza at #2, whitman at #4, harris+klebold at #6, Pagourtzis at #7.
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Google Butt posted:look we know u just wanted to teach but heres 40k a year and a Glock 19 to likely kill one of your students in the future 
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Jun 3, 2022 15:42
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Isn’t the strongest correlation just being a dude. Like there’s…zero or close to zero? Mass shootings by women
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Jun 3, 2022 15:48
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Isn’t the strongest correlation just being a dude. Like there’s…zero or close to zero? Mass shootings by women MORE *CLAP* WOMEN *CLAP* MASS *CLAP* SHOOTERS
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Jun 3, 2022 15:50
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Relentlessboredomm posted:Isn’t the strongest correlation just being a dude. Like there’s…zero or close to zero? Mass shootings by women That and prior history of domestic violence
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From wikipedia:quote:Gun Violence Archive, frequently cited by the press, defines a mass shooting as firearm violence resulting in at least four people being shot at roughly the same time and location, excluding the perpetrator. I think that is how most press outlets define "mass shooting," especially in the weeks after a particularly bad massacre means gun violence is getting more attention. Lots of mass shootings by this definition are because the shooter is reckless about their attempted murder of one or two people, rather than purposely trying to maximize casualties. People do think of instances where the shooter intentionally wants to harm the maximum number of people differently, but that doesn't really have a name. Like, was Uvalde a terrorist attack? The killer didn't have a manifesto. The US is a cool place. Where else are these distinctions relevant.
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Jun 3, 2022 16:01
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How long until we have a mass shooting at a mass shooting? Like... Duels of the Gunwalkers.
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tiberion02 posted:How long until we have a mass shooting at a mass shooting? Like... Duels of the Gunwalkers. depending on the number of Uvalde 4th graders killed by cops, it may technically have already happened
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Atrocious Joe posted:From wikipedia: We should just bump the number up. Presto, mass shooting crisis over
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