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Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/pycpim/status/1531588106276999168

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Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/alexshams_/status/1531677304765796355

Southpaugh
May 26, 2007

Smokey Bacon


I would like to congratulate you on posting some interesting tweets. As I have ragged on you before. The double post is funny too.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

i just wish we only had one history thread so i wouldnt need to post twice as many tweets to keep them both alive

https://mobile.twitter.com/ampol_moment/status/1532042148694081537

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

alright lets try something more likely to start an argument for todays double post

https://mobile.twitter.com/crusadxr_/status/1532047269314408449
https://mobile.twitter.com/crusadxr_/status/1532049617759649795
https://mobile.twitter.com/crusadxr_/status/1532051983414304768
https://mobile.twitter.com/crusadxr_/status/1532052880034873356
https://mobile.twitter.com/crusadxr_/status/1532054031304216578
https://mobile.twitter.com/crusadxr_/status/1532055960058884096

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

quote:

The KPD would claim that the SPD were “social fascists”

correct

MeatwadIsGod
Sep 30, 2004

Foretold by Gyromancy

Whenever you see the wireframe globe in a poster's handle you know it's time to strap in for some bourgeois ideology

Since this person seems to get their history from skimming Wikipedia, I would probably direct them to a TV show called Babylon Berlin for additional research. It dramatizes one of the SPD's many friendly overtures to communists that for some reason those dastardly authoritarians weren't happy with!

MeatwadIsGod has issued a correction as of 15:10 on Jun 2, 2022

MonsieurChoc
Oct 12, 2013

Every species can smell its own extinction.
Just lol at blaming the communists for the death of Rosa Luxemburg.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

that loving thread lmao

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

Some Guy TT posted:

alright lets try something more likely to start an argument for todays double post

https://mobile.twitter.com/crusadxr_/status/1532047269314408449

https://twitter.com/MissPavIichenko/status/1532129110595719168

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011



is it just me or does the railroad map seem kind of halfassed

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
eh lines up pretty well with where the main rail lines were at the time

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Some Guy TT posted:



is it just me or does the railroad map seem kind of halfassed

1857 one is halfassed too because by then, during the summer at least, the Great Lakes were used for shipping. The Illinois and Michigan Canal opened in 1848 and the Soo Locks in 1855.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

wow, wiki said a steamboat could go from pittsburgh to new orleans by 1811, that's way earlier than i expected

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

Some Guy TT posted:



is it just me or does the railroad map seem kind of halfassed
I think these exact maps are from a two volume American history textbook my grandmother bought me at a rummage sale 20 years ago

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

so what youre saying is theyre actually on the cutting edge of american history pedagogy

well except theres no note at the side saying railroads are racist pretty big strike against its credibility

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.
19th century railroads were really loving racist also they were a huge way to make rich people a million times richer

Just a giant scam from top to bottom

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

what would you suggest we do just let the government make railroads directly that sounds like communism to me bucko

Eldoop
Jul 29, 2012

Cheeky? Us?
Why, I never!
What would've been bringing the travel time down in the three pre-railroad maps? Just more/better roads?

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

That map has to be only land travel. You can't even see the Mississippi River in any of them despite that being a major avenue for travel.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

but the only development between 1800 and 1830 were canals. were they really hacking through new jersey with machetes in 1800? i've been to that corner and it's pretty wild i guess

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

Eldoop posted:

What would've been bringing the travel time down in the three pre-railroad maps? Just more/better roads?

More and better travel on God's slippery beautiful water

Eldoop
Jul 29, 2012

Cheeky? Us?
Why, I never!

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

More and better travel on God's slippery beautiful water

Man, is there anything that stuff can't do?

KaptainKrunk
Feb 6, 2006


the SPD voted to fund a war which killed millions of germans lol. neither they nor the kaiser had any legitimacy

Teriyaki Hairpiece
Dec 29, 2006

I'm nae the voice o' the darkened thistle, but th' darkened thistle cannae bear the sight o' our Bonnie Prince Bernie nae mair.

Eldoop posted:

Man, is there anything that stuff can't do?

Roads were so lovely in the 1790's that it cost more to ship something overland to our nation's capital city, Philadelphia, from 50 miles away, than it cost to ship something from Philadelphia to London

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Eldoop posted:

What would've been bringing the travel time down in the three pre-railroad maps? Just more/better roads?

macadam roads and canals though only the first one is really pre-railroad. rail lines started to be built in 1827 but there wasn’t really much established by 1835.



and by the start of the civil war it looked like this

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Teriyaki Hairpiece posted:

Roads were so lovely in the 1790's that it cost more to ship something overland to our nation's capital city, Philadelphia, from 50 miles away, than it cost to ship something from Philadelphia to London

I think car culture is so ingrained into the public consciousness that people can tend to miss that transporting something by sea is, and pretty much always has, been the most efficient means of transporting something for most of civilized history

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

Atrocious Joe posted:

That map has to be only land travel. You can't even see the Mississippi River in any of them despite that being a major avenue for travel.

I see some lines following coasts so I think it includes water ways.

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/history_dame/status/1533041485188308992

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa the ten fateful minutes is bullshit ffffffffffffffffffff

KaptainKrunk
Feb 6, 2006


gradenko_2000 posted:

I think car culture is so ingrained into the public consciousness that people can tend to miss that transporting something by sea is, and pretty much always has, been the most efficient means of transporting something for most of civilized history

the real poo poo that blew my mind was seeing maps of medieval/renaissance europe sized to show travel distances. lots of cities end up being closer to one another as a result

Ornamental Dingbat
Feb 26, 2007

i say swears online posted:

but the only development between 1800 and 1830 were canals. were they really hacking through new jersey with machetes in 1800? i've been to that corner and it's pretty wild i guess

A lot of the "wild" areas of the east coast were clearcut for farmland until around 100 yrs ago, they didn't really start going back to nature until the 20th century when improved distribution networks allowed growing most food crops in the Midwest.

500excf type r
Mar 7, 2013

I'm as annoying as the high-pitched whine of my motorcycle, desperately compensating for the lack of substance in my life.

Ornamental Dingbat posted:

A lot of the "wild" areas of the east coast were clearcut for farmland until around 100 yrs ago, they didn't really start going back to nature until the 20th century when improved distribution networks allowed growing most food crops in the Midwest.

Nearly 100% of the east coast was clear cut one time or another. Every stone wall in new england was a field

War and Pieces
Apr 24, 2022

DID NOT VOTE FOR FETTERMAN

Eldoop posted:

What would've been bringing the travel time down in the three pre-railroad maps? Just more/better roads?

(settler) population density I think. it's easier to stay in an inn than make camp

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

500excf type r posted:

Nearly 100% of the east coast was clear cut one time or another. Every stone wall in new england was a field

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005


hell yeah Arizona with the densest forest in the country

what's that crescent feature in alabama and Mississippi?

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

i say swears online posted:

hell yeah Arizona with the densest forest in the country

what's that crescent feature in alabama and Mississippi?



apparently it’s a chalk formation called the Selma group the dries out the soil in summer

FPyat
Jan 17, 2020
Reading books about prewar Europe really highlights how stupid the prevailing belief in “national character” was. Also apparently Robet K Massie was friends with Thomas Pynchon.

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

FPyat posted:

Reading books about prewar Europe really highlights how stupid the prevailing belief in “national character” was.

everyone loved those anthropomorphic maps

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mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

i was looking for a pic based on the above conversation and found a different one :catstare:

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