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pantslesswithwolves posted:https://twitter.com/wilfredchan/status/1533062471845552129 "If you're pre-born, you're fine, if you're pre-school, you're hosed" - The Prophet George Carlin, ~1996
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M_Gargantua posted:Careening toward a cliff at 60mph is less preferable to sort of meandering toward it at 15  : "Sounds like shitlib talk to me. We just need to hit the gas hard enough to carry us through to the other side."
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Jun 5, 2022 00:54
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I have redacted the following statement to remove some “tells”. See if you can guess the author.quote:Statement by Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States of America j/k, the voice still comes through
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Jun 5, 2022 01:21
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A.o.D. posted:Biden is lucky in that he's had the lowest bar to clear in 160 years. His luck remains to be seen. I'm not at all confident the Dems keep the WH. I'm leaning away from it.
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Godholio posted:His luck remains to be seen. I'm not at all confident the Dems keep the WH. I'm leaning away from it. Agree There are some positives but general quality of life isn't great right now and even with that things that could be done potentially don't even seem to be fought for at all. At least if you're just going to lose and not get much done try for big things and then lay the blame at the opposition, but instead they're not even really trying it seems like.
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Jun 5, 2022 01:47
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Hyrax Attack! posted:I misread that and thought a teenager had been beaten by the cops, won a $50 million lawsuit, then became sheriff and for some reason was ultra draconian. Whoops, I re-worded that, now that I'm awake I should have been more clear. Yeah.
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Jun 5, 2022 01:49
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The Dems are going to celebrate when they lose the midterms and can fundraise harder
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Jun 5, 2022 02:02
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The Democratic Party (really all of America) is a bunch of bottoms waiting for someone to come along and top them.
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Jun 5, 2022 02:03
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Midjack posted:The Democratic Party (really all of America) is a bunch of bottoms waiting for someone to come along and top them. An interesting thing is seeing more mainstream articles recently about how ridiculously old our leadership is (on both sides) and how that’s a major source of problems. Not just Feinstein but others refusing to step aside and no control system to mandate retirements
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Jun 5, 2022 02:15
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Didn’t loving Nixon set price controls to combat inflation? We’re so far right we can’t even do basic poo poo Nixon was able to get away with.
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Jun 5, 2022 02:19
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I am sure the midterms are going to be a bloodbath, and if Donnie Goodbrains is still alive in 24, I am pretty sure he is going to Grover Cleveland our asses, barring some exceptionally weird developments. I expect the Democrats to be spineless fucks, but they can’t really even seem to muster the appropriate concern to do something after January 6th. Like, I know they’re corporate sellouts, but it’s weird to me these folks are still trying to do a bipartisanship with a group that would have largely been complacent, if not outright gleeful to see them killed.
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Jun 5, 2022 02:27
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Winning means you have to do things. Losing means you can just restart the fundraising cycle immediately.
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Jun 5, 2022 02:28
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Donald Trump has been the best thing to move the democratic party back to it's roots of owning people.
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M_Gargantua posted:The Dems are going to celebrate when they lose the midterms and can fundraise harder I hate this meme because it's loving stupid. Yeah people love spending years of their lives running for office and raising money they can't spend on anything but running for office hoping that they will lose. Call most dems stupid, incompetent cowards all you want, but "actually they want to lose" is nonsensical.
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Jun 5, 2022 03:17
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Don’t say “the Democrats want to lose.” Say “the Democrats don’t want to win.”
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Jun 5, 2022 03:38
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Platystemon posted:Don’t say “the Democrats want to lose.” Acebuckeye's point still holds. This is an idiotic line of reasoning.
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Jun 5, 2022 03:41
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Individual candidates want to win their own races. The party as a whole is not particularly motivated to hold and to wield power. These can both be true.
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The party as a whole collects fat stacks of corporate donor money for existing. They don't need to win to have succeeded, they just need to rake in more of that sweet sweet promises cash than they expend in a four year cycle.
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Problematic Soup posted:I am sure the midterms are going to be a bloodbath, and if Donnie Goodbrains is still alive in 24, I am pretty sure he is going to Grover Cleveland our asses, barring some exceptionally weird developments. I expect the Democrats to be spineless fucks, but they can’t really even seem to muster the appropriate concern to do something after January 6th. Like, I know they’re corporate sellouts, but it’s weird to me these folks are still trying to do a bipartisanship with a group that would have largely been complacent, if not outright gleeful to see them killed. They reallllly need to be wrapping up the Jan 6th investigation quicker. Do not need to chase every lead and get every suspect, settle for nailing a few and making their findings official rather than still be dithering in early 2023 when the investigation is redirected to monthly Hunter/Hillary dispositions.
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Jun 5, 2022 03:59
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Platystemon posted:Individual candidates want to win their own races. Still a ridiculous theory. People spend years of their lives organizing. Donors funnel millions of dollars into causes they care about. Everybody wants to win, because being out of power loving sucks - you can't do anything, and people aren't going to donate unless they think there's actually a chance you'll do the thing they want you to do. (This is why you get a ton of retirements in Congress when it looks like the party in power is going to lose) The dems make a lot of bad tactical and strategic moves as a party because the people who call the shots are ancient with decrepit political instincts, who have spent decades trying to focus-test slogans that can't be attacked by republicans/right-wing media is and are terrified of actually standing for things (partially because the party is a barely strung-together coalition where all the factions hate each other, and taking a stand on something means alienating somebody who's vote you can't afford to lose). And that's just on the national level - on the state level, dems hover between "well meaning but incompetent" to "malicious and also incompetent" because everyone's old and all the youth energy is in activism. The dems want to win. There are many structural reasons and self-inflicted reasons that make it more difficult for them to do so. But just because they're not doing the things you think they should be doing to win does not mean that they're actually secretly all hoping to lose.
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The purpose of a system is what it does.
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Platystemon posted:The purpose of a system is what it does. Cool quote. Care to define what "system" we are specifically referring to? Because after all, the most recent results of the Democrats' "system" was to win the White House and the Senate in a highly contested election where they got the biggest turnout in American history. Seems pretty counter-intuative if they didn't actually want to win!
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gently caress you I won't do what you tell me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Hf-B9Tqkss
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Acebuckeye13 posted:I hate this meme because it's loving stupid. Yeah people love spending years of their lives running for office and raising money they can't spend on anything but running for office hoping that they will lose. Call most dems stupid, incompetent cowards all you want, but "actually they want to lose" is nonsensical. You know a lot of them get a lot of wealth out of it right? Its not cash in hand, its stock options and social clout and perks. Rich people aren't after cash balance's, thats what makes them rich. e; yes its a dumb meme but it isn't entirely false, the whole lanyard system is designed for 'bipartisanship' and 'decorum' and every 2nd best loser with the right family getting a fat job working through a lobby or an NGO. Those conditions don't make the people with the connections to run too motivated to fight to win as opposed to fight for a "win" for themselves regardless of the office. There are exceptions in the house, and probably even a few in the senate but it does not seem common. M_Gargantua fucked around with this message at 05:12 on Jun 5, 2022 |
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M_Gargantua posted:You know a lot of them get a lot of wealth out of it right? Its not cash in hand, its stock options and social clout and perks. Rich people aren't after cash balance's, thats what makes them rich. Some people make out rich, if they win, and if they make connections while in Congress that they can cash out on when they leave. Nobody cares about 1 term losers who have nothing to show for their time in Washington, there's literally hundreds of those. And yeah there's a lot of useless failsons and faildaughters working in Washington - and guess what, they also want to win, because even if they're in it entirely for themselves, their ability to get cushy jobs in the EOB is entirely dependent on if their side wins!
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the dnc defender has logged on (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:the dnc defender has logged on 
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my kinda ape posted:Not trying to be a dick but have you ever been inside a school before? Or any large building? You can't build entirely new structures? New schools? Did every developer forget every time they completely remodeled a large structure? Did all the Architects lose their pens? Are you actually trying to be a dick doe or is their some other you problem?
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the dems do not want to win because winning means doing something. they want to win enough that they keep the game close but do not meaningfully alter the outcome. their ideal is to be one seat away from holding a majority.Acebuckeye13 posted:Everybody wants to win, because being out of power loving sucks - you can't do anything and that's exactly why they don't want to win. winning means having to do something. winning means having to actually stand up for the principles they so often champion, and time and time again we see, over and over, that given the chance, they will not do poo poo about it you say that "well, the dems are a bunch of misfits who aren't one big group", but the republicans aren't exactly either (you have the trump fuckers, the q nutcases, and the eldritch horrors along the lines of mcconnell) , and yet somehow, every time they win, we mysteriously slide further and further backwards even when the democrats supposedly control the government. you can talk about theory-crafting and actual results and 'well, no reasonable person would do this' but look outside and see all the awful poo poo continuing to happen, constantly, forever e: i suppose an alternate take that i could agree with is that the dems want to win with the explicit purpose of doing nothing.
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New York Democrats gave us an example recently of how individual candidates seeking to win races can nonetheless put the party in a weaker position to hold power.
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 I say that we take the armor from the cops and give it to the PTA.
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Platystemon posted:
I can't believe someone said that the only thing that would happen to the Uvalde PD is that they'd be given more money. That's utterly preposterous. Ridiculous. Who could believe such a thing. smdh.
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Look saying the cops don't want to do anything because it guarantees they'll get more money is just insane
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A.o.D. posted:I can't believe someone said that the only thing that would happen to the Uvalde PD is that they'd be given more money. That's utterly preposterous. Ridiculous. Who could believe such a thing. That post is from 2018, which confirms that the Uvalde Police Department had all of the equipment and training to take down an active shooter, which they put to use in attacking the parents who wanted to save their kids. But don’t worry, I’m sure they’ll get plenty of more money soon because the only thing this country knows how to do is to throw money at the police.
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Now that the Uvalde city hall has locked its doors and refused to communicate with anyone, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that brutal crackdowns are in the near future.
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Well yeah, if you don't give cops more money the right wing hate machine will call you a crazy leftist commie pinko triple Hitler mega socialist. Gotta stay friendly with the reasonable Republicans and avoid all that stuff. Wouldn't want to do anything that could be labeled 'defunding' on Fox. That's for those wild eyed far left radicals, not any pragmatic centrists looking to move towards the middle and compromise with both sides like reasonable people.
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Zamujasa posted:even if you aren't for defunding, if you aren't constantly pissing money into the mouths of cops you'll be labeled "soft on crime" Yup. This is where we're at. We have a school district with its own police force of less than ten people with a useless piece of poo poo Chief who no one in the Uvalde City PD thought to override or disregard. A Uvalde City PD who had not only the funding, but the correct training as has been developed after Columbined and refined, updated, revised after every mass shooting. They knew exactly what to do. Ask any active shooter, or poo poo, any cop firearms trainer, and that's been SOP for two loving decades. Not going in? That's dereliction of duty. You dont rush ahead towards that gunfire to kill that gently caress before he kills any more people, you need to take off the badge. Period. All of the neighboring agencies were probably operating under mutual aid under the Police / Fire / EMS system called the Incident Command System. Operating under that, the neighboring agencies would of course follow what the initial Incident Commander tells them to do. But there are procedures for when the IC is incapable of continuing to command for whatever reason - the fact that the Uvalde City police especially, nor any of the other responding agencies relieved him of command is an indictment of their character, their judgement, and their souls. The fact that it took so long that the BORTAC guys - many of whom are SOF combat veterans - said "gently caress that useless POS we're going in anyway" is an indictment of every man and woman with a badge there that day besides the BORTAC folks. No one had the balls to override the UISDPD chief, who is not only a moron and a coward but is single-handedly the one person most responsible for this tragedy outside of the piece of poo poo shooter himself. Call it a mistake. Call it freezing up under the adrenaline dump in a fight or flight scenario. I've some seen bullshit excuses. Whatever you call it, he's a piece of poo poo, and needs to be put in jail. If he gets sued, I would be outraged if he gets Qualified Immunity. That only applies based on the "reasonable officer" standard. If a reasonable officer would do what he did, under the same circumstances and knowing the same facts as he did in that timeline without the benefit of hindsight, then he gets QI. But no "reasonable officer" would ever believe that or do it like that, because it's been trained for 20 loving years to go and kill the bad guy/s ASAP during active shooter events. I would be very surprised if this gently caress gets QI. Even that piece of poo poo from Parkland lost QI and was allowed to be sued. Bored As Fuck fucked around with this message at 15:19 on Jun 5, 2022 |
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The police won't get exonerated under Qualified Immunity, so you won't have to worry about that. They be covered under the "no duty to protect" doctrine.
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