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The author doesn't actually say why violence won't work as far as I can tell by skimming the article. Do they actually state why violence won't work in the article? They did provide a lot of examples where violence worked. quote:We cannot solve the problem of a dying planet through violence. There is no chance of it. Zero. how do you say "Do the needful, nuke white people twice just to be sure, actually make it three times there might be survivors  " in LatinEdit: triple nuke 
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ted hitler hunter posted:The author doesn't actually say why violence won't work as far as I can tell by skimming the article. Do they actually state why violence won't work in the article? the ones good at violence are also the ones killing us all
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Jun 5, 2022 09:13
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Homeless Friend posted:that guy was a wimp 100%. oh yeah i knew a guy like that we called "hot carl" "oooh ooh dava, get off me i just came!" let her have a turn ya daft bugger
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Jun 5, 2022 10:37
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the problem can at least be mitigated by violence, but (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jun 5, 2022 10:52
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ted hitler hunter posted:The author doesn't actually say why violence won't work as far as I can tell by skimming the article. Do they actually state why violence won't work in the article?
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Jun 5, 2022 10:53
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TACD posted:yea tbh it seems to me like most people will die and only the most insanely hyper-violent few, willing to betray, kill, and eat their closest friends, will survive
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Jun 5, 2022 11:08
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FFT posted:the Three Robots bits that start S1 and S3 of Love, Death, and Robots are the most realistic, except for the premise that we'll create self-improving AI/machines before expiration i like the implication that if you don't pet a cat a bad thing will happen
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Jun 5, 2022 11:15
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TACD posted:yea tbh it seems to me like most people will die and only the most insanely hyper-violent few, willing to betray, kill, and eat their closest friends, will survive Survive until when though? Who survives the collapse itself is going to be pretty random because there's going to be such a confluence of disparate disasters. There's no real set of skills or knowledge anyone can have to help with that period. It'll just be random luck. Didn't get cholera from the water when everyone else did. Decided to move south instead of north. Found a bag of rice one time. Wound didn't get infected. That sort of stuff. In a post collapse period scavenging and marauding would be a decent survival strategy and circumstances will probably favour people who do that at first but sooner or later they're going to run out of people to prey on. There's are no pirates without commercial shipping. No Vikings without undefended coastal villages.
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Jun 5, 2022 12:18
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Clear illustration of how chronic lib brain and the eventual disappointment that comes from assuming ideas create reality puts you on a direct route to accepting the dumbest, most reductive biotruths. Even now if you read this op-ed against the grain it's an argument for being as horrible as possible to stay alive.
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Jun 5, 2022 13:01
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Bathtub Cheese posted:Clear illustration of how chronic lib brain and the eventual disappointment that comes from assuming ideas create reality puts you on a direct route to accepting the dumbest, most reductive biotruths. Even now if you read this op-ed against the grain it's an argument for being as horrible as possible to stay alive. "For example — we’re currently obsessed by dumb comic-book Marvel Movies in which superhero have — you guessed it — super-capacities for violence. Magical powers not to…make plants grow…give life…care for anything…just to destroy and maim and wreck. It’s telling. Freudian. Even our fantasies of omnipotence aren’t about creating anything, just about destroying things. How…funnily pathetic…is that?" Ah yes,
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Jun 5, 2022 13:05
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The nature of man is struggle, in a word, war!! - Umair Haque, 2023
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Jun 5, 2022 13:19
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T-Paine posted:"For example — we’re currently obsessed by dumb comic-book Marvel Movies in which superhero have — you guessed it — super-capacities for violence. Magical powers not to…make plants grow…give life…care for anything…just to destroy and maim and wreck. It’s telling. Freudian. Even our fantasies of omnipotence aren’t about creating anything, just about destroying things. How…funnily pathetic…is that?" at least it’s honest about who we are. one of my hated tropes is the “humans are capable of love too” where some alien force sees our history of violence and judges us worthy of death then flips when someone shows them we care for our kids and partners sometimes
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Jun 5, 2022 13:25
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My main gripe with Umair's article is that his rhetoric tries to make everyone a knowing accomplice to "violence" and has nothing to say about (or on behalf of) its victims who in fact represent the vast bulk of humanity (e: other than to point out that they exist.) That's idealist liberal misanthropy.
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Jun 5, 2022 13:33
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Bathtub Cheese posted:The nature of man is struggle, in a word, war!! - Umair Haque, 2023 The Nature of Man is Conflict. In a Word, War.
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Jun 5, 2022 14:06
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This is silly because it depends heavily on your definition of 'solve.' Sure, we can't solve it the way he wants it solved with violence, but human society clearly isn't interested in solving it that way.
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Jun 5, 2022 14:11
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T-Paine posted:The Nature of Man is Conflict. In a Word, War. Yeah, oops
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Jun 5, 2022 14:14
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How do you solve your planet losing the ability to support this many human beings? Sure, you could do it by fixing the planet. Or you could just reduce the number of human beings. Problem solved! Violence makes sure you're one of the ones left. Very effective.
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Jun 5, 2022 14:15
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Cup Runneth Over posted:How do you solve your planet losing the ability to support this many human beings? Sure, you could do it by fixing the planet. I don't want to defend that essay too much but we don't live under a one world government. It's a bunch of nation states in competition if not conflict with each other. There's not going to be a global plan to do anything like that because you're never going to get any countries to agree to abdicate that much power. Let's say US elite bring a plan to Chinese elite to mutually cull their populations by X% The only thing the Chinese would say to that is "You first."
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Jun 5, 2022 14:27
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Funky See Funky Do posted:I don't want to defend that essay too much but we don't live under a one world government. It's a bunch of nation states in competition if not conflict with each other. There's not going to be a global plan to do anything like that because you're never going to get any countries to agree to abdicate that much power. Let's say US elite bring a plan to Chinese elite to mutually cull their populations by X% The only thing the Chinese would say to that is "You first." I believe this state of affairs can be overcome with good feels and reading more Sartre (but nothing from Sartre's bad commie period). Put more existential philosophy in the hands of Putler and Winnie the Pooh and anything is possible
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Jun 5, 2022 14:37
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ted hitler hunter posted:The author doesn't actually say why violence won't work as far as I can tell by skimming the article. Do they actually state why violence won't work in the article? facite quod necesse est, vasta albos populos pyrobolis radiantium particularum bis ut certior sis, atqui ter ne qui supersint 
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Jun 5, 2022 15:03
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the author of that article is mentally incapable of imagining the scope and direction of violence that would have been necessary to avoid the active necrosis of our biosphere 99% sure the author is a liberal anyways so no big surprise
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Jun 5, 2022 15:41
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Is not having kids considered Malthusian ITT still? Ezra Klein put out an op-ed titled "Don’t Let the Environment Stop You From Having Kids" and wanted to see others thoughts on it but if it's gonna be a bad de-rail nevermind. Alternatively we can dunk on Ezra being dumb which is good.
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Jun 5, 2022 16:34
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the only thing that should stop you from having kids is your feelings about it or massive gonadal injury.
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Jun 5, 2022 16:42
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I think it's straightforwardly unethical to have children right now, so of course Klein and similar idiots will be enlisted to tell you why it isn't wrong. For context, Umair Haque has a long track record of liberal-friendly meltdowns about how the American collapse has already happened. Very likely to hit the misanthropy wall faster than anyone with a materialist bent when he finds out moral appeals don't help and only concrete actions can. Probably the best writer in the genre though, tbf
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Jun 5, 2022 16:46
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Paul Beckwith has an interesting talk about the interaction of climate change and the El Niño-Southern Oscillation. Beckwith's video can be a bit of a slog some days so it might be best to skim it for the references and go straight to them. Or fire up Google Scholar, unless you're a lazy sod like me. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGSbDGVjlZ4 What I'm getting from this is that the Fraser Valley and Vancouver Island region is running out of growing season and there's a very good chance la Nina is going to keep things cool here for the rest of the summer. Sucks if you're a corn farmer. Good thing other parts of Canada won't be having production issues. Cool weather crops are doing well, except the ones where flowering is a function of day length and not temperature. My mizuna (lettuce-like brassica) has bolted already but the actual lettuce is happily growing leaves with no signs of flower stalks anywhere. I have no idea. Plants are hard. I'm sure though that smarter people than I will figure out how to adapt our crops to climate change. I think I will start some winter brassicas early and plant some more peas. Pity my wife hates peas. Good news! Arizona cities are going to become green and sustainable by 2030! Some dude has been jackhammering curbs to direct rainwater into catchment basins. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHyrVKUEirY I believe Kamala Harris' speech a couple of days ago about making U.S. water security a priority was putting Canada on notice they're coming for our water. Gotta keep those koi ponds filled. I'm going assume a lazy, gaudy, detritus-eating carp that wouldn't last 5 minutes in the wild is the spirit animal for rich people?
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Jun 5, 2022 16:53
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Ezra Klein's argument is that things aren't as bad as they were 70 years ago, so you should be happy and hopeful. He also has that magical neoliberal brain thinking where he says that the suffering will be all around us, but he is of course, somehow, immune. He also points out that the climate scientists who are rich and famous enough for him to interview all have kids, so it's fine. This is pretty typical of all of his columns: just manufacture a happy store out of something. It's more funny to me that he unintentionally reveals himself and his rich buddies as completely outside of the problem in their special place. You're still an absolutely insufferable oval office if you whine at people for having kids and tell them they shouldn't have, stop doing that poo poo.
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Jun 5, 2022 16:56
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What film is this from?
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Jun 5, 2022 16:57
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I am so sick of the sentiment: "The climate collapse will be a horrible event, of death and genocide and widespread suffering. THUS, it MUST not happen!". Okay, agreed. BUT HOW DO WE DO THAT, poo poo FOR BRAINS? What is your grand plan to steer us off the current course straight over the edge of a cliff? Oh like this?: [qoute] Cooperation, at a universal scale. Empathy, on a scale not yet even begun to be understood — for trees, rivers, oceans, animals. [/qoute] What the gently caress. What the gently caress does that even mean, and how is that supposed to happen? Can't they just say "vote blue forever and joe biden will give you an electric car" or "blow up a pipeline" or whatever, aaannnnything more concrete than this lame-rear end fishing for some sort of spiritual awakening, acting like the human equivalent of a motivational poster?
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Jun 5, 2022 17:09
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White Rock posted:Cooperation, at a universal scale. Empathy, on a scale not yet even begun to be understood — for trees, rivers, oceans, animals. Funk, on a whole new level The rhythm is the bass and the bass is the treble Chords, strings, we brings melody G-funk, where rhythm is life And life is rhythm
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Jun 5, 2022 17:15
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https://mobile.twitter.com/TheScotsman/status/1515602717552656388quote:These investors create peatland or forestry projects which sequester carbon from the atmosphere. The projects generate carbon credits which can be used to offset the owner’s emissions, or sold on to other polluters via emissions-trading schemes. With government subsidies and tax breaks available, estates in Scotland - where the sale of land is unregulated - are once again at a premium.
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Jun 5, 2022 17:16
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Pryor on Fire posted:
Don't have kids. As it stands now there is no way they will have a decent life as they enter young adulthood around 2040. If fact their life then may be hellish. If your desire to have kids now for whatever reason outweighs your desire for them to be happy after you're gone, then you are at best naive about what's coming, and at worst a sociopath who's putting your current happiness above the future happiness of your kid. Also don't tell people what not to post you whiny little fascist.
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Jun 5, 2022 17:24
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White Rock posted:I am so sick of the sentiment: "The climate collapse will be a horrible event, of death and genocide and widespread suffering. THUS, it MUST not happen!". it's the lib spirit bomb BELIEVE
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Jun 5, 2022 17:25
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Trainee PornStar posted:What film is this from?
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mawarannahr posted:Funk, on a whole new level
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Jun 5, 2022 17:26
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Pryor on Fire posted:Ezra Klein's argument is that things aren't as bad as they were 70 years ago, so you should be happy and hopeful. He also has that magical neoliberal brain thinking where he says that the suffering will be all around us, but he is of course, somehow, immune. He also points out that the climate scientists who are rich and famous enough for him to interview all have kids, so it's fine. I got a similar read as well. He somehow still assumes we will manufacture and consume our way out of it
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Jun 5, 2022 17:27
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Funky See Funky Do posted:I don't want to defend that essay too much but we don't live under a one world government. It's a bunch of nation states in competition if not conflict with each other. There's not going to be a global plan to do anything like that because you're never going to get any countries to agree to abdicate that much power. Let's say US elite bring a plan to Chinese elite to mutually cull their populations by X% The only thing the Chinese would say to that is "You first." I think you're reading collaboration into my post where it was not stated. No one needs to collaborate. They just need to do violence, and the one that violences the best will be the winner. Problem. Solved.
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Jun 5, 2022 17:40
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not out of it, *through* it he makes it very clear that millions of dead is already baked in at 2 and we're headed for 2.7 in his head they're already written off
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Jun 5, 2022 18:21
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This year's Earth Overshoot Day falls on July 28quote:Each year, Earth Overshoot Day marks the date when humanity has used all the biological resources that Earth regenerates during the entire year. Humanity currently uses 75% more than what the planet's ecosystems can regenerate—or "1.75 Earths." From Earth Overshoot Day until the end of the year, humanity operates on ecological deficit spending. This deficit spending is currently the largest since the world entered into ecological overshoot in the early 1970s, according to the National Footprint & Biocapacity Accounts (NFA) based on UN datasets now produced by FoDaFo and York University. save the date everybody! now that the pandemic is over, it's time for the wild overshoot day parties we've all come to look forward to
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Jun 5, 2022 18:36
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Wakko posted:This year's Earth Overshoot Day falls on July 28 Isn't it something like "if everyone consumed like Americans do we would need 5 Earth's to sustain it"
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Jun 5, 2022 18:45
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Morbus posted:watching huge ant battles is p fun tho. so is watching thousands of ants spin around in a circle until they die because "that's what everyone else is doing," and "it may not be perfect, but it's the best system we have". lol
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