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John Murdoch posted:And then of course if you flash forward a bit you have the peak of dubbing excellence, G Gundam. 
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Jun 6, 2022 04:25
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Mokinokaro posted:The big one they use is Steven Universe and I have to somewhat agree with the critics. It's not that the redemption happened but the show kinda rushed it and it took until the post timeskip episodes to show they earned that redemption at all. iirc they spent their Goodwill Points keeping the gay space gem marriage in and couldn't negotiate for the amount of episodes they wanted, so one way or another the conclusion was abridged from what they originally intended
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Jun 6, 2022 04:35
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Saagonsa posted:The Kaguya dub turns the narrator from a 100% genuine hypeman for what's going on into just some lame dude doing snarky quips. It's really bad. Not quite; The Japanese narrator's conducting events like it' s a Japanese variety show, which is why he explains everything so enthusiastically and each vignette always ends with "Today's Result: X wins/loses", so it's just as absurd but in a way that wouldn't necessarily translate 1:1 in english because the win/lose aspect could come across a bit incel-ish if you played it straight. Coming from a sleazy burnout carries the intended subtext of "the results don't legitimately mean anything" better.
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Jun 6, 2022 04:47
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Not quite; The Japanese narrator's conducting events like it' s a Japanese variety show, which is why he explains everything so enthusiastically and each vignette always ends with "Today's Result: X wins/loses", so it's just as absurd but in a way that wouldn't necessarily translate 1:1 in english because the win/lose aspect could come across a bit incel-ish if you played it straight. Coming from a sleazy burnout carries the intended subtext of "the results don't legitimately mean anything" better. Bingo. The absurdity and punched-up narration is the point, but they localized it in a way that made more sense in English. Both are fantastic.
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Jun 6, 2022 04:49
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Big O has an amazing dub. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVc_K8Syy2Q
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Jun 6, 2022 04:55
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Not quite; The Japanese narrator's conducting events like it' s a Japanese variety show, which is why he explains everything so enthusiastically and each vignette always ends with "Today's Result: X wins/loses", so it's just as absurd but in a way that wouldn't necessarily translate 1:1 in english because the win/lose aspect could come across a bit incel-ish if you played it straight. Coming from a sleazy burnout carries the intended subtext of "the results don't legitimately mean anything" better. The chapters always end with X wins/loses because each one is titled "Battle [X]: [title of chapter]." They are the winners/losers of that battle in Kaguya and Shirogane's war of love, is the joke. The original narrator taking everything so seriously even though its all so dumb is part of the joke, and that really gets undercut when they change him to be really sarcastic all the time.
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Jun 6, 2022 05:12
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Mokinokaro posted:The big one they use is Steven Universe and I have to somewhat agree with the critics. It's not that the redemption happened but the show kinda rushed it and it took until the post timeskip episodes to show they earned that redemption at all. CYBEReris posted:iirc they spent their Goodwill Points keeping the gay space gem marriage in and couldn't negotiate for the amount of episodes they wanted, so one way or another the conclusion was abridged from what they originally intended Honestly I feel like a lot of the problem (in this and any other corporate show fandom) is that fans have unrealistic ideas of what a team would be realistically capable of delivering. Somehow, fans haven't figured out that everything is determined by old rich white men who break out in hives at the thought of trying something new, so any level of diversity, or unusual storytelling, or anything deviating from "safe" entertainment is a goddamn miracle resulting from show creators fighting tooth and nail for it. Fans could get what they wanted, if they were willing to try independent fiction, but that doesn't come with a slick package and a giant like-minded fandom. Much easier to rant at creators (or voice actors) on twitter about how terrible they are for not being able to make the perfect show. For all the savviness the internet has allowed, it feels like media literacy and knowledge of how shows and publishing work have lagged way behind.
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Jun 6, 2022 05:22
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Saagonsa posted:The chapters always end with X wins/loses because each one is titled "Battle [X]: [title of chapter]." They are the winners/losers of that battle in Kaguya and Shirogane's war of love, is the joke. Yup and the format of having each chapter be a battle is derived from Japanese variety show teams. That's why the narrator goes so hard as MC for each event, as he explains mundane things as the rules for the immediate contest before they commence.
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Jun 6, 2022 05:23
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The Kaguya dub should have John Madden style narration/commentary instead.
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Jun 6, 2022 05:43
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I dont think a straight "Japanese game host" persona would work in English because we really don't have commentary like that in our own game shows. We'd be stuck with the kind of over the top obnoxious commentary you'd see on Ultimate Ninja Warrior or Wipeout and it wouldn't work. Changing the narrator to a washed up jaded dick mocking teenagers was a good choice.
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Jun 6, 2022 06:42
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Puppy Time posted:I feel that this is framing those people as all bad actors who are twirling moustaches and cackling maniacally about the control they have over others (or I suppose painting their nails smugly for a more modern and feminine image), which is probably not the case for most of them. https://twitter.com/Tercicatrix/status/1376210092492791809
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Jun 6, 2022 12:06
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On a slight tangent, is that why there was that trend of schoolkids loudly and proudly trashing bathrooms and posting it on tiktok was such a big thing this past year?
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Jun 6, 2022 13:05
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Happy Landfill posted:This poo poo drives me nuts. It is entirely ok to say, "this character sucks and I love them," and not further justifying anything 
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Jun 6, 2022 15:28
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Framboise posted:On a slight tangent, is that why there was that trend of schoolkids loudly and proudly trashing bathrooms and posting it on tiktok was such a big thing this past year? You are thinking of the Devious Lick and subsequent Angelic Yield and no, there wasn't much thought put into it other than mere mischief and response to mischief, respectably.
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Jun 6, 2022 15:59
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Puppy Time posted:Honestly I feel like a lot of the problem (in this and any other corporate show fandom) is that fans have unrealistic ideas of what a team would be realistically capable of delivering. Somehow, fans haven't figured out that everything is determined by old rich white men who break out in hives at the thought of trying something new, so any level of diversity, or unusual storytelling, or anything deviating from "safe" entertainment is a goddamn miracle resulting from show creators fighting tooth and nail for it. There's a through line here, I think, with how Korra (and even The Last Airbender before it to a lesser degree), Steven Universe, and even She-Ra and the Princesses of Power all have conclusions that end up feeling hasty and awkward. I remember there was this old interview with ND Stevenson where he said he was either on the verge of or had a full-on breakdown by the end of She-Ra with constant executive pressure. Like, it sucks that they couldn't even acknowledge Spinnerella and Netossa were married until the last season, and Netossa had more speaking lines in the one episode that season she featured in than the rest of the series combined. That and not actually being able to have Adora and Catra until right near the end all smacks of some fuckheads in power refusing to try anything better until the series was ending and the creative staff on the show didn't care about the repercussions.
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Jun 6, 2022 17:30
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Framboise posted:On a slight tangent, is that why there was that trend of schoolkids loudly and proudly trashing bathrooms and posting it on tiktok was such a big thing this past year? To a certain extent, TikTok vandalism and assault trends were literally part of a Facebook hiring a right-wing consulting firm to promote and highlight dangerous activity on the platform: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/03/30/facebook-tiktok-targeted-victory/ It's wild.
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Jun 6, 2022 17:57
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Arist posted:To a certain extent, TikTok vandalism and assault trends were literally part of a Facebook hiring a right-wing consulting firm to promote and highlight dangerous activity on the platform: Oh wow. Oh wow. I thought that TikTok and Facebook were in a race for the worst place, but with Facebook trying to make TikTok worse in order to make themselves look better just solidifies their place. Why is Zuckerberg still alive? He sucks so much and is weird.
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Jun 6, 2022 18:00
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Nuns with Guns posted:There's a through line here, I think, with how Korra (and even The Last Airbender before it to a lesser degree), Steven Universe, and even She-Ra and the Princesses of Power all have conclusions that end up feeling hasty and awkward. I remember there was this old interview with ND Stevenson where he said he was either on the verge of or had a full-on breakdown by the end of She-Ra with constant executive pressure. Like, it sucks that they couldn't even acknowledge Spinnerella and Netossa were married until the last season, and Netossa had more speaking lines in the one episode that season she featured in than the rest of the series combined. That and not actually being able to have Adora and Catra until right near the end all smacks of some fuckheads in power refusing to try anything better until the series was ending and the creative staff on the show didn't care about the repercussions. Huh interesting. I thought She-Ra handled its ending pretty well all things considered. Voltron on the other hand, man when you go back over it that was a real mess.
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Jun 6, 2022 18:05
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Literally how do you gently caress up a series about robots that turn into a bigger robot to fight stuff god I'm still mad about how much time I put into watching it
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Jun 6, 2022 18:19
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It’s almost important to note that redeeming oneself is a lengthy process that you probably won’t have sufficient seasons to cover in a kid’s show. So stuff like that will always come off as rushed or crimes easily forgiven because they’re not getting another season for the former villainess to prove she’s changed and rebuilding trust with the protagonist love interest, all while being (rightly) shunned by the greater community for enabling war crimes. And maybe that sends across a really bad message to kids that redemption is easy if you feel really bad about it and offer to help with stuff. Because regardless of intent these more idealistic shows, with a message that everyone can be made to see see the light if you try hard enough, are still going to send that reading to children regardless of how badly the studio forced them to hack up their story after losing season 4 because two boys kissed one episode. So I dunno.
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Jun 6, 2022 18:34
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RareAcumen posted:Huh interesting. I thought She-Ra handled its ending pretty well all things considered. She-Ra landed alright. There were some things teased they didn’t get to address and some plots that read like they were hoping to have another season or two to play through them better. That last season did end up being pretty darn queer so maybe that was why got a better pass. Or maybe justifying the fascist dictator redemption arc by revealing he was a brainwashed clone of a worser fascist dictator who didn’t get redeemed helped more people distance themselves from that in a way that was harder with SU? Kipo was allowed a lot more leeway afterwards and it makes me wonder if a lot of the trouble came from Mattel rather than Dreamworks animation.
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Jun 6, 2022 18:37
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Danaru posted:Literally how do you gently caress up a series about robots that turn into a bigger robot to fight stuff god I'm still mad about how much time I put into watching it I think the downfall started when they Killed off the main villain halfway through the show's run and just sort of forgot to replace him with an equally significant or interesting threat?
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Jun 6, 2022 18:39
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KingKalamari posted:I think the downfall started when they Killed off the main villain halfway through the show's run and just sort of forgot to replace him with an equally significant or interesting threat? That depends on which villain you are talking about. Theoretically the way they handled the way the story escalated could work. But it feels like they spent less and less time on each arc (or way too much in case of the 7th season), until the final season just failed to deliver on anything.
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Jun 6, 2022 18:51
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DeafNote posted:That depends on which villain you are talking about. Whoops, I got my seasons confused because of the shrimpy half-length seasons the show has. I was actually talking about when Lotor killed off Zarkon at the start of season 5. While the show definitely could have made that work as a permanent decision, They never really gave us a suitable replacement for Zarkon - Hagar could have been interesting but lacked the direct personal rivalry with any of the Paladins that Zarkon had with Shiro, Lotar could have also stepped up but they instead decided to just kind of shove him to the sidelines for a while before hastily declaring "Uh, actually he's still super evil I guess" and get rid of him.. It's actually part of a weird trend I noticed around that time of kids shows killing off their big bad midway through their run and then just failing to fill the void with anything interesting. The other big example that comes to mind is Star Vs. The Forces of Evil, which killed off original big bad Toffee at the start of the third season and then just sort of failed to adequately raise the stakes with the villains that followed. It was especially egregious in the last season of that show where the major villain that was hyped up as being this unstoppable force of destruction had been shown effortlessly dispatched the previous season by the then-current Big Bad.
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Jun 6, 2022 19:09
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I watched this video about what went wrong with Voltron a while ago and I remember it made some good points: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiFiVFxR_Q8 Mr.Radar fucked around with this message at 19:25 on Jun 6, 2022 |
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Jun 6, 2022 19:18
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Nuns with Guns posted:That and not actually being able to have Adora and Catra until right near the end all smacks of some fuckheads in power refusing to try anything better until the series was ending and the creative staff on the show didn't care about the repercussions. I recall reading the showrunner talking about Adora and Catra and how they just kept it a secret from the suits in charge and seeded the entire show with a path to it, then used the narrative path to kind of cajole them into "See it makes sense! It's not just being woke it's part of the story!" Presumably with a lot of other pressure somehow. Honestly, allowing stories to be controlled by bean counters and marketers is absolute poison to creativity. At least if it's, like, someone commissioning something you still get whatever interestingly weird poo poo they want to throw in. Execs hate creativity and want to file off every corner until everything is a bland gray rounded box with Funko Pop eyes. ETA Pants Donkey posted:It’s almost important to note that redeeming oneself is a lengthy process that you probably won’t have sufficient seasons to cover in a kid’s show. So stuff like that will always come off as rushed or crimes easily forgiven because they’re not getting another season for the former villainess to prove she’s changed and rebuilding trust with the protagonist love interest, all while being (rightly) shunned by the greater community for enabling war crimes. I think the main issue is that there's not much mainstream media offering a more nuanced redemption narrative for older people. Like, yeah, a kids show isn't going to show all the details of anything because you are writing for children and they don't know what the gently caress, their brains literally are just starting to figure out, "Huh, so someone can have good traits... and bad traits? And the bad traits don't make them all bad? Holy poo poo how the hell does that even work?" Unfortunately, the demographics that should be getting the more advanced concepts around redemption are being sold "Shoot the Bad Guy now the problem is over," "Bad Guy dies a hero now the problem is over," and/or "You can Change Him with your love and then the problem is over" because those sell better and are easier to write successfully. And, looping back around to the broken bathrooms deal, it's hard to do something like that if you're independent because then you risk a swarm of twitter assholes screaming that you're saying it's OK for people to do The Bad Thing because you don't want them all to be tortured to death or something. Puppy Time fucked around with this message at 19:34 on Jun 6, 2022 |
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Jun 6, 2022 19:23
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Little Kuriboh just uploaded a new Yu-Gi-Oh! Abridged. While the humour of his abridged series has relatively remained the same, it still gets some chuckles out of me, and I'm just glad he's committed to finishing it.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyytN5xAFo4
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Jun 6, 2022 19:31
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That we both live in a renaissance for gay representation in cartoons and yet executives still fight tooth and nail to nuke away any attempts at said reputation with creatives having to engage in functional espionage to get it through is nothing short of depressing. Like no matter how many excuses they throw out, it's 100% no coincidence that Owl House had its final season snipped down to a trio of specials after the show started including more than a few queer characters and relationships between such.
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Jun 6, 2022 19:37
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It’s entirely because of money. Can’t sell it to a market where being gay is largely shunned if not illegal, and while I heard Disney did ship censored episodes of Owl House to those markets, I have to imagine that’s a lot of editing. That’s why Disney has had a love affair with background queer cameos as of late. It’s easy to slip in a gay kiss between extras or a minor piece of throwaway gay dialogue, then edit it out in post for other regions. But this doesn’t work if they have an on-screen partner or are visibly trans/gender-nonconforming. Can’t risk other markets!
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Jun 6, 2022 19:48
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All you have to do is dub over them and say they're actually cousins. Baddabing! Easy solve.
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Jun 6, 2022 19:56
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You know how hidden Mickeys are a thing, animators should start doing hidden Winnie the Poohs
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Jun 6, 2022 20:21
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I am extremely skeptical that China is anywhere never as homophobic as big companies in America tend to claim.
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Jun 6, 2022 20:38
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Terrible Opinions posted:I am extremely skeptical that China is anywhere never as homophobic as big companies in America tend to claim. Nor as scared of skeletons as people like to meme about.
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Jun 6, 2022 20:42
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Chinese Chuds exist too, and they're loud and hate the same things. There's genuinely a "lovely online person" and they're all the same rear end in a top hat in the same ways.
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Jun 6, 2022 20:44
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Terrible Opinions posted:I am extremely skeptical that China is anywhere never as homophobic as big companies in America tend to claim. Yeah, China's level of actual homophobia is irrelevant, the big companies are just using it as cover to hide their own. Hel fucked around with this message at 21:20 on Jun 6, 2022 |
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Jun 6, 2022 21:17
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Iirc the whole skeletons thing was chinese censors deliberately leaning in to orientalist western stereotypes so they had an easy way to gently caress with foreign media and demand the more banal ideological cuts they actually wanted
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Jun 6, 2022 21:23
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China's state broadcast administration introduced a rule in 2015 against works depicting "unnormal sexual relationships" that is frequently used to ban the broadcast of media depicting LGBTQ topics. Also keep in mind that the edits made for the international market aren't just done to please China, but other countries with anti-LGBTQ legislature like Russia, Saudi Arabia, Hungary, Indonisia and several nations in North Africa and the Middle East.
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Jun 6, 2022 21:30
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Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:Iirc the whole skeletons thing was chinese censors deliberately leaning in to orientalist western stereotypes so they had an easy way to gently caress with foreign media and demand the more banal ideological cuts they actually wanted
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Jun 6, 2022 21:31
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Jeff Gerstmann is leaving Giant Bomb: https://twitter.com/jeffgerstmann/status/1533902069953748992?t=zZRs2DleSXKLJS7KVIC6Fg&s=19
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Jun 6, 2022 21:40
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Genthil posted:I haven't played WoW in like three years but in the latest expansion didn't Garrosh show up in one cutscene only to get permanently erased from existence? A little more than that. He appears in a promo movie being tortured in a purgatory afterlife, and then appears as the centerpiece of a boss fight in the fortress at the center of Insescapable Turbo Hell. You fight the guy torturing him while dodging Garrosh’s outbursts of rage energy. When you beat the boss, Garrosh jumps down, declares he regrets nothing, and launches an attack on the boss that reduces them both to a pile of ash. Shadowlands added not only another big evil being who manipulated previous ultimate evils from the shadows and is responsible for all the woes of the universe, it also added another, even more mysterious creator race who set the universe in motion before the Titans.
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