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Chapter 5quote:“Gafrash horlit!” It's Taylor! She's back. And there are no Helmacrons, so this is already better than the last book. Chapter 6 quote:Skrrr-eeeek! So what do you think about Taylor and her offer?
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# ? Jun 6, 2022 04:27 |
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# ? May 27, 2024 01:21 |
Taylor's making a power play. Has to be.
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# ? Jun 6, 2022 07:28 |
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Oh wow, maximum paranoia time. This is wildly intense. you get the ptsd of being captured by your former torturer, yeerk politics coming to a head OR an incredibly tightly orchestrated deep fake false flag... the only time I would trust a non peace movement yeerk IS when it's being self serving and conniving, though.
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# ? Jun 6, 2022 08:41 |
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I don't know about the whole "we want democracy" thing but the idea that the last few years have gone badly for the Yeerks in multiple arenas and civil war is coming feels entirely plausible. And in fact wanting to be "more like humans" also checks out; it sort of feels inevitable to me that they'd become more symbiotic like the Iskoort in the long term, and even in the short term, living a double life (much like the Animorphs!) in suburban California and having conversations with their hosts much like we've seen Visser One, Illim etc do has got to be having some kind of transformative impact in the short term. With truly, fully intelligent captives like humans or Leerans there'd have to be some kind of Colombian exchange going on, unlike the Geds or Hork Bajir. Not necessarily to the point of embracing freedom and democracy, but certainly to factions wanting some kind of systemic change from the forever-war sparked by the first generation that took advantage of Seerow only a few decades ago. This is also one of the times - although I can understand why the Animorphs would be mistrustful of this even aside from writer reasons - when it would have been useful to foster closer, ongoing relations with Tidwell/Illim and the Yeerk peace movement.
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# ? Jun 6, 2022 09:35 |
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On a completely different level though: if I was PTSDed after being tortured and then the same torturer shoved me in a cage and then said "psych, you can leave, there's the door" I could see myself being too frightened to move because I think she's cruelly tricking me.
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# ? Jun 6, 2022 09:36 |
freebooter posted:I don't know about the whole "we want democracy" thing but the idea that the last few years have gone badly for the Yeerks in multiple arenas and civil war is coming feels entirely plausible. The best lies are rooted in truth though, and I think that's what's going on here.
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# ? Jun 6, 2022 09:55 |
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As a side note, it looks like Visser One messed things up on her assignment.
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# ? Jun 6, 2022 12:47 |
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Capfalcon posted:As a side note, it looks like Visser One messed things up on her assignment. I thought that name sounded familiar. I guess her earth tactical expertise did not translate very well to a completely new alien species. Who'd have thunk.
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# ? Jun 6, 2022 20:57 |
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I wonder how long it's been since VISSER. That could also say something about what happened on the Anati homeworld.
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# ? Jun 6, 2022 21:57 |
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Given that Taylor says "apparent bungling" it's possible she (and probably the rest of the rank and file Yeerks on Earth) don't have a whole lot of information about it. It's possible that said bungling was from before Visser One took over and/or that Visser Three is controlling news from the Anati campaign to make Visser One look bad. It's also possible Visser One is just loving it up, though.
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# ? Jun 6, 2022 22:14 |
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Chapter 7quote:The red sensors flickered out. I don't think Marco, Rachel, and Ax are wrong here. If Taylor is doing this, she's doing it for Taylor. Also, I'm getting the impression the moon and the illusion of size is a metaphor here, but I can't really think of what. Chapter 8 quote:The freak and geek club. The middle of the night, deep in the forest. Four kids and a bird crowded around a laptop salvaged from a Dumpster and repaired by an alien kid and friend, Ax. An Andalite and brother of Elfangor. Ax’s fourteen fingers deftly powered up the unit and dialed up the Going to use "You're not the only one with scientists" as my comeback from now on. Also, Ax is making money reconditioning computers now...keeps him in cinnamon rolls, I guess. And Andalites have seven fingers on each hand. I didn't know that.
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# ? Jun 7, 2022 03:59 |
I feel like the moon is just saying "you see what you want to".
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# ? Jun 7, 2022 04:27 |
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Epicurius posted:And Andalites have seven fingers on each hand. I didn't know that. Yes, their unnervingly high number of fingers has been mentioned before, mainly in early books.
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# ? Jun 7, 2022 09:34 |
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quote:In the end, all I wrote was, “Okay, we’ll play.” They've really given up on trying not to sound like humans... although I guess the "bandits" are supposed to have been living among humans for years now.
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# ? Jun 7, 2022 09:56 |
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I try to suspend my disbelief for the scifi stuff but accessing the internet from a cell phone is just absurd.
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# ? Jun 7, 2022 17:19 |
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Chapter 9quote:The high school kid behind the counter stared wide-eyed. One, make that two very attractive girls were closing in on him. Taxxons are obviously dangerous to morph into. Their hunger is so strong, it's almost uncontrollable, as you all remember. Also, there's obviously more to this than Taylor's saying.. This is no "bargaining chip". Chapter 10 quote:“Is she insane?” Marco cried. He’d ditched the ski cap and sunglasses but the headphones still hung around his neck. So even beyond the intrinsic difficulty on controlling a Taxxon's instincts, If they're all morphing Taxxons and morphing back, everybody beyond Tobias is going to morph back to human. Taylor, obviously, doesn't know they're human, and they don't want her to know that, but how do you hide that in these circumstances?
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# ? Jun 8, 2022 03:45 |
Hey Animorphs? You know what you tried to do to V3&1 a couple books ago? This is that.
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# ? Jun 8, 2022 04:46 |
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Screaming, this far in you can't fall for this bait you know better by now aaaaaa
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# ? Jun 8, 2022 05:30 |
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If this is the one I think it is then oh boy buckle up
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# ? Jun 8, 2022 11:03 |
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FlocksOfMice posted:Screaming, this far in you can't fall for this bait you know better by now aaaaaa Honestly, six teenagers traumatized after months/years of a secret alien war, who also know that they're the experts on that secret alien war, and who are exhausted and desperate to end that secret alien war? It's a wonder they don't fall for ten times as much bait as they do.
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# ? Jun 8, 2022 15:57 |
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Chapter 11quote:No one said anything. Silent agreement. So this is the debate over the morality of targeting Yeerk civilians, which I think this thread has had before. What do you think? Has Cassie and time changed any opinions? Chapter 12 quote:That’s pretty much when Cassie decided she couldn’t do it. She decided to sit the mission out. I admired her. I even thought about pulling out myself. It's easier to tell somebody to get a Taxxon than to do it.
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# ? Jun 9, 2022 04:39 |
Epicurius posted:What do you think? Has Cassie and time changed any opinions?
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# ? Jun 9, 2022 04:44 |
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A well thought out and compelling rebuttal.
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# ? Jun 9, 2022 04:46 |
It was too good of a setup NOT to post that
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# ? Jun 9, 2022 04:51 |
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This is a wildly assymetrical war and were this not an OBVIOUS TRAP I'd say take the kill. Like, innocents are deffo ginny to die but like... if this were legit I'd say yeah it's valid they've been grasping for solid victories and not just holding resistance. although it seems like the holding really is holding the yeerks in place? but
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# ? Jun 9, 2022 05:18 |
My serious answer is that regardless of whether the Yeerks in the pool can fight or not, they are still part of an invading force. I'd be open to discussions with the Peace Movement, but I'd find that very difficult while they have boots on the ground and are forcibly enslaving people.
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# ? Jun 9, 2022 05:22 |
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I'm still firmly on the line of "killing yeerks in the pool is actually the MORE ethical play because you deplete the enemy WITHOUT killing an innocent/enslaved host too." Granted in this particular case blowing up the entire complex with a gas explosion kind of defeats that purpose, but still. Never bought into the "Yeerks in the pool are defenseless therefore it's wrong to kill them" angle, not even a little.
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# ? Jun 9, 2022 06:45 |
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CidGregor posted:I'm still firmly on the line of "killing yeerks in the pool is actually the MORE ethical play because you deplete the enemy WITHOUT killing an innocent/enslaved host too." This is a good point. When Cassie says "aren't we in this to save lives," well... no, not really. You're in it to save freedom. If you want to save lives then war is the wrong line of business. There are any number of lives that could have been saved throughout human history if people had just been willing to lay down their arms and be ruled by a dictator - it's happening in Ukraine right now! But some things are worth dying for, and indeed killing for. Overall, though, I think this conversation is just really noteworthy foreshadowing for the decision Jake ultimately makes with the Pool Ship.
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# ? Jun 9, 2022 08:19 |
freebooter posted:This is a good point. It does, but it also serves as a check-in for how far their viewpoints have shifted. Ax asked very early on "how far into savagery do you go to defeat the savage?" and we are slowly learning the answer.
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# ? Jun 9, 2022 08:37 |
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I mean if Cassie is in this to save lives then what about the innocent victims that they kill every time they have a fight with Controllers? Not just the missing hands but the innocent Hork Bajir, humans, etc that they murder every time they clash with Yeerks? They were all minding their own business when they were bodysnatched. And besides, if Yeerks don't want their people to be made targets by an opposing military force maybe they shouldn't start invasions and wars. "The Nazis entered this war under the rather childish delusion that they were going to bomb everyone else, and nobody was going to bomb them. At Rotterdam, London, Warsaw, and half a hundred other places, they put their rather naive theory into operation. They sowed the wind, and now they are going to reap the whirlwind." - Sir Arthur Harris
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# ? Jun 9, 2022 10:27 |
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HIJK posted:I mean if Cassie is in this to save lives then what about the innocent victims that they kill every time they have a fight with Controllers? Not just the missing hands but the innocent Hork Bajir, humans, etc that they murder every time they clash with Yeerks? They were all minding their own business when they were bodysnatched. I mean, that's what Ax says to her during this, basically.
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# ? Jun 9, 2022 14:27 |
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freebooter posted:Overall, though, I think [spoiler]this conversation is just really noteworthy foreshadowing for the decision Jake ultimately makes with the Pool Ship. I mean, that was there as far back as the Andalite Chronicles, where Elfangor faces the same choice as Jake and chooses differently.
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# ? Jun 9, 2022 14:29 |
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Chapter 13quote:The cavern was dark. I could just make out the bottom, about ten feet away. It seemed to curve slightly. I guessed it was a tank, an old fuel storage reservoir or something. Maybe it's just me, but I find something very sad about that last line. Chapter 14 quote:<It’s sure enough about time, Bird-boy.> Marco’s thought-speak greeted me at about three hundred feet. He was flying in, too, and was just as late as I was. It was dawn. We were both working hard to stay up in the cool air. What I find interesting here is the parallel the author draws between Tobias and the Taxxon, by having him say "I’d set out hungry, but along the way I’d spotted a gray squirrel. It was bigger than I like,but food is all I think about. In nature, in my world, hunger doesn’t just mean you’ll be crabby in the car on the way to Taco Bell. It carries undertones of death."
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# ? Jun 10, 2022 04:03 |
Ax flicks a 50 pound steel Frisbee with a "flick of his tail"? Those tails are monstrously strong if that's the case.
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# ? Jun 10, 2022 04:22 |
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quote:<It’s sure enough about time, Bird-boy.> Marco’s thought-speak greeted me at about three hundred feet. He was flying in, too, and was just as late as I was. It was dawn. We were both working hard to stay up in the cool air. I like this - it reminds me of the bit in #40 when they're surveilling the Andalites' house and Tobias starts talking about how Andalites are into topiary and Marco's like "yeah yeah whatever;" a bit where even when it's not that character's book, you see a bit of their own personality/arc come through from a third person perspective, in that case Tobias' interest in his Andalite heritage. In this case, I think Marco immediately feels a bit bad about hanging poo poo on Tobias because he knows Tobias' life is genuinely harder, and reacts in the only way he really knows: with good-natured humour, steering into Tobias' own joke where Marco's the butt of it. Nothing else is said and (as with the moment in 40) the narrator doesn't even really notice.
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# ? Jun 10, 2022 09:50 |
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Chapter 15quote:I closed my eyes and focused on the DNA I carried within me. The entire thing is really pretty pitiful. Imagine being a Taxxon, not just morphed into one, and dealing with this every day of your life all the time. It makes sense why they'd sell themselves to the Yeerks, just to get some little bit of control over this. Chapter 16 quote:<Tobias, time’s up, man. Take a break. Demorph.> Yep, I can see what it must be like to be a Taxxon....to be so desperate and in so much agony, you make a deal with the Yeerks in the hope that it'll somehow help you.
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# ? Jun 11, 2022 04:49 |
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Taxxons really get the short end of the stick, biology-wise. Even the Skirt Na get to exist without near permanent hunger clawing at their minds. Kinda makes you wonder what psychos on the Council of Thirteen willingly choose to stay in that host.
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# ? Jun 11, 2022 06:14 |
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I don't want to sound paranoid, but I think there's a chance this Taylor character isn't totally on the up and up.
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# ? Jun 11, 2022 13:51 |
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Chapter 17quote:<Careful, Ax,> I reminded him. <It’s … well, it’s worse than you said. Let the Taxxon smell the soil. Just let it dig and eat. Try not to think of us.> Sorry. Just the one chapter today.
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# ? Jun 12, 2022 03:50 |
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quote:<I will try to keep control of the morph,> said Ax. <As a young cadet, I researched the recorded successes and failures of Taxxon morphing. I once gave a presentation on physiological mechanisms for notallssith, the condition of being unable to control a morph.> #NotAllSith
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