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Grizzled Patriarch posted:I wonder if they plan on doing them for all of the legions eventually? They do look rad as hell so far and I'd love to see what they come up with for the others. They said they plan on it, yeah
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:Ok, i did it. I’m weak. I bought some HH stuff. Now I need good custom Alpha Legion heads and shoulder pads - where do I look that’s not FW? Either 3d print or you join slack and learn the dark ways
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According to the MKIV repack page, it's "arguably the most common" armor mark in Age of Darkness, so hence (or BaC) the helmets. ...or just stick them on whichever armor you want, a lot of them look fairly agnostic.
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So this uses the same force organization chart as a battalion detachment in 9th? Do Troops choices just tend to be Tactical Marines with Bolters?
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Are those special and heavy weapon sprues on pre-order meant to work with the Age of Darkness sprues?
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Dunno about the first one. Standard compulsory is HQ+ 2 troops, and then idk how much of Elites, FA, HS... Troops are generally Tacticals (Bolters), Breachers (bolters, shields, SWCs), Assault Marines. I think these can fill compulsory slots - Recon, Scout and Tac Support can't. Some RoWs turn different units (snoflakes, vehicles) into troops and compulsory troops.
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Are those special and heavy weapon sprues on pre-order meant to work with the Age of Darkness sprues? Yes, it's for MK6 armor and have hands molded on forward grips - ones for MK3 and MK4 would just slot into the open left palm.
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Also just to clarify so I don't screw myself over - GW said this HH boxed set is going to be around / in production for the foreseeable future, right? I don't have it in my budget to pick one up now, so I just want to make sure it's not gonna be a thing like Indomitus where the good box is only available for a limited time and then they start paring down the contents into new "starter boxes" that aren't nearly as good of a deal.
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JcDent posted:Dunno about the first one. Standard compulsory is HQ+ 2 troops, and then idk how much of Elites, FA, HS... Legion Despoiler Squads (basically Assault Squads without jump packs) are also a Compulsory Troops option. They have bolt pistols and close combat weapons instead of bolters and bolt pistols. They can swap their CCWs for Chainswords. They're great for Legions like the World Eaters who can swap the Chainswords for Chainaxes. Spite of the Legion seems extremely good, too. DrPop fucked around with this message at 15:47 on Jun 6, 2022 |
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Grizzled Patriarch posted:Also just to clarify so I don't screw myself over - GW said this HH boxed set is going to be around / in production for the foreseeable future, right? I don't have it in my budget to pick one up now, so I just want to make sure it's not gonna be a thing like Indomitus where the good box is only available for a limited time and then they start paring down the contents into new "starter boxes" that aren't nearly as good of a deal. I'm trying to find a direct source from GW, but Sprues and Brews got a copy and I have to assume this is info passed to them from GW rather than conjecture: quote:No, this is not a limited time release like Indomitus or Dominion – This is the core Horus Heresy box and you will be able to pick this up from your local store whenever you have the urge to take the plunge into Age of Darkness games, or when you want to start a brand new Legion.
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I was surprised when I read the change to weapons and squad composition; I'd always considered the restrictions on Primaris some sort of strange stopgap but, no, GW really seems to like it. I'm going to have a very hard time letting go of the concept of the core infantry foundation being a ten man tactical squad with one assault weapon, one heavy weapon, and one close combat Sargent. However, I'll do my best to try it. So are things like flamers only going to appear in infantry form as something like a devastator squad?
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I gave in to wanting the shiny new thing and pre-ordered the big box and special weapons stuff. I was tossing a bunch of legions around in my head, but I think ultimately I'm going to go Dark Angels. It was either them or EC but I liked the Dark Angels flavor/rules combo more. Is there any quick source for a bunch of legion paint scheme examples without digging into old FW books?
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^^ all of the recent Warhammer Community articles spotlighting individual legions have both GW-painted examples and stuff painted by non-GW people.Jack B Nimble posted:I was surprised when I read the change to weapons and squad composition; I'd always considered the restrictions on Primaris some sort of strange stopgap but, no, GW really seems to like it. Flamers and other "special weapons" (plasma, meltaguns) are carried by your Legion Tactical Support Squads. Heavy weapons like missile launchers, plasma cannons, and so on, are carried by your Legion Heavy Support Squads. And every member of those squads carries one of the weapon. For per-model weapon choice, you're generally looking at things like Veterans, Terminators, or other specialized units like Destroyers and some unique Legion units. DrPop fucked around with this message at 16:18 on Jun 6, 2022 |
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What's the size minimum on these Legion Support Squads? Five models? I'm recalling things like Close Combat, a historical WW2 game, where a squad might be a dozen men but a flame thrower was a one or two man "team". I'd really like to have, say, a pair of flamers, but I suppose the reality of hitting, wounding, etc, means that you really do need several to have an impact.
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Jack B Nimble posted:What's the size minimum on these Legion Support Squads? Five models? I'd be surprised if it changed in the new rules but support squads are minimum 5 maximum 10.
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One more question: The HH box contains, I think 40 "basic" marines with bolt rifles. I'd like to hear any conversion or accessory sprue plans people have. For example, someone earlier mentioned converting out a special character using a special vox pack the box has?
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DrPop posted:^^ all of the recent Warhammer Community articles spotlighting individual legions have both GW-painted examples and stuff painted by non-GW people. I was more looking for those alternate schemes. I know DA are "black, red, white" but I saw a couple images on google of specific alternates for some legions and wondering if DA had that.
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Jack B Nimble posted:One more question: I'm saving 10-15 of them for the different weapons kits since I'd rather not do the conversion work to use the weapons with older marine kits, but other than that IDK.
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The primaris squad composition was if anything an intentional throwback to legion squad compositions
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Jack B Nimble posted:The HH box contains, I think 40 "basic" marines with bolt rifles. I'd like to hear any conversion or accessory sprue plans people have. Excuse me sir we use bolters here not bolt rifles  I have some vague non specific plans to build a despoiler squad of some flavor; I’ll need to source a bunch of chainswords and bolt pistol arms for those. And then likely a veteran tactical squad with nemesis bolters. I should be able to use the regular arms for them; but I’ll need to find some nemesis bolters and other fancy bits to differentiate them from regular tacs.
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Der Waffle Mous posted:The primaris squad composition was if anything an intentional throwback to legion squad compositions Plus having more unified squad weaponary speeds up play
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Nancy posted:I was more looking for those alternate schemes. I know DA are "black, red, white" but I saw a couple images on google of specific alternates for some legions and wondering if DA had that. Arbiter Ian did a video about that.
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If you're coming into this from 40k, most of the unit building tropes are quite differentJack B Nimble posted:What's the size minimum on these Legion Support Squads? Five models? 10 guys for your heavy or tactical support squads, they must carry a special weapon. All can take various transports like rhinos or land raiders. That's right- 10 lascannons, 10 plasma guns, 10 multi meltas, etc and a tank
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BULBASAUR posted:If you're coming into this from 40k, most of the unit building tropes are quite different the minimum sizes are 5 though for support/heavy support squads
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BULBASAUR posted:If you're coming into this from 40k, most of the unit building tropes are quite different The minimum size for Tactical Support and Heavy Support squads is 5 marines. Max is 10.
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Main difference between them and devestators is EVERYONE gets a weapon including the sergeant. None of this 4 lascannons plus ablative wounds nonsense
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This is great, thanks! I know it's ultimately a "do what you want" hobby, but I'm wanting to lean into the pseudo-historical bits.
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To help orient you new folks coming into 30k, some of our veteran heresy players have taken time to write about their favorite legions- how they play, how they've changed, and other helpful things if you're on the fence or interested to hear from experienced players. We're shooting for doing two legions a day in their numerical order, as decreed by the Warmaster: 1st Legion: The Dark Angels    quote:+ Legion Overview + 2nd Legion: REDACTED    quote:+ Legion Overview +    quote:+ Legion Overview + BULBASAUR fucked around with this message at 21:22 on Jun 6, 2022 |
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Please respect the death of the 2nd and 11th legions. They aren't the samurai legion and anime legion.
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So I ordered a few sets of the Dark Angels MK3 resin shoulder pads; does anyone know if those will fit on the new plastic MK6 bodies without looking weird?
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Also kinda hosed up that the Kratos and Deimos Rhinos sold out basically immeidately.
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Ghazk posted:Please respect the death of the 2nd and 11th legions. They aren't the samurai legion and anime legion. They are the all female legions.
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:They are the all female legions. The emperor declares that girls have cootius primus
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And some pictures: my magnetized 1k Sons Leviathan and a cute little Centurion In retrospect, I wish I had been a bit more restrained with the glow effects
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One important thing for newer 40k players to know, when thinking about these single weapon squads - with very few exceptions, if your squad shoots at a target every member of your squad may only fire at that target. So even in Veteran Tactical Squads, where you could toss a Missile Launcher or two in with a bunch of guys with Bolters; if you fire the Bolters at an enemy infantry squad, you cannot then fire the Missile Launchers into an enemy vehicle, for example. Thus, squads being limited to a single weapon type isn't quite as much of a problem as in some other games. Additionally, most vehicles can and will be taken in squadrons (vehicle units), meaning that damage carries over to the next vehicle, once one is destroyed. So your 10-man Heavy Support Squad with 10 Lascannons can destroy an entire 5-tank squadron of Predators, if it rolls well.
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Gato The Elder posted:So I ordered a few sets of the Dark Angels MK3 resin shoulder pads; does anyone know if those will fit on the new plastic MK6 bodies without looking weird? From what I've seen the resin stuff fits pretty well on the new MK6 bodies. The height changed, but the size of shoulder pads is about the same (and MK3 pads were always on the bigger side)
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Gato The Elder posted:And some pictures: my magnetized 1k Sons Leviathan and a cute little Centurion Nice to see Thousand Sons that aren't all candy apple red!
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Can you tell I am excited for 2.0? Because I am!      Other side of that spear  And here is the whole squad together 
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Intro to Warhammer 30K The Horus Heresy – Choosing a Legion One of the axioms of modern wargaming is an accurate representation of a force within a known chaotic theatre. Relative final state varies from game system to game system but are not entirely unrelated. Idealized linear resolution of choice based on parameters such as “it looks cool” or it “performs well” in much simpler systems such as Warhammer 40,000 are pedestrian in nature and the Horus Heresy requires a more nondeterministic approach that exhibits divergence from predictable trajectories. The nonlinearity implies loss of causality between the perturbation of the setting and the effects propagated in time. Players looking for basic requirements for choosing a legion to represent in the Horus Heresy game system will find basic requirements outlined below. The initial thought many players new to the Horus Heresy system have is “Systems that begin with known, but slightly changed initial conditions result in completely different outcomes. How can choosing a legion be resolved without infinite prediction?” It is a legitimate question, but fortunately, there exists a system for reducing complex systems to elementary models for some values of the parameters. Let’s explore these parameters: Step 1 – Faction Factor Faction factor as a percent of deviation of current utilization can be expressed as  Remember that a positive sensitivity parameter is required for the Horus Heresy. Using a negative sensitivity parameter will still compile but implies a Dornian Heresy and additional correction factors must be accounted for. Step 2 – Legion Balance Legion balance is a linear function depending on current deployment rates weighted against the corresponding rates for the last period written as the expected stable value.  These coefficients are required to be greater than zero because the assumption is being made that your collection will both increase, and your compromise probability became deterministic upon visiting the Forgeworld website and deciding to invest in the Horus Heresy. Step 3 – Picking a Legion Once Faction Factor and Legion Balance has been determined, one must consult the Legion Ally Matrix which is presented in several publications, but poorly explained. It is presented below (Fig. 1) and recreated again on the right (Fig.2) in a mathematically approachable version where relationship levels have been converted to a numerical representation.  With a known faction factor percentage and legion balance value determined, cross reference them against the dot product of sets containing desired legion traits, which are shown as vertical bars. Under certain circumstances, logistic crisis can arise in the interval tendencies. In these cases, turnover can be achieved by comparing armor color assets to the bifurcation diagram (Fig. 3). Note that this is applicable only to power armor MK6 and earlier.   Don’t forget to list the cardinality of sets that feed into your scalar product consideration on your army list. This value is often used to determine who is the aggressor in a scenario, as well as who is the traitor/loyalist when a single legion is subjected to infighting. It can be very embarrassing to be the only player at the narrative event to be disqualified for having an unstable bijection. As you can see, a lot more goes into choosing a legion than one might suspect at first glance. I hope this guide helps clarify the process for you as a new player.
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