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Big Mean Jerk posted:I’d honestly choose Disco over Picard. Disco is dumb but I like some of the cast, it’s nice to see genuine and varied representation being given a priority, and at it least occasionally has good ideas. That's a fair point. Discovery is at least a Star Trek show, or aspires to try and be one most of the time. Picard, especially Season 2 is the first UnStar Trek show I've ever seen.
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Jun 7, 2022 05:41
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Arglebargle III posted:
WHY WAS THIS NOT THE DESIGN THEY WENT WITH?! Also is there a front view by chance?
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Jun 7, 2022 05:42
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Arglebargle III posted:
Not bad but imo Disco's trailing nacelles look better.
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Jun 7, 2022 05:43
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nine-gear crow posted:WHY WAS THIS NOT THE DESIGN THEY WENT WITH?! Because it's from a video game.
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Jun 7, 2022 05:50
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Arglebargle III posted:
This concept really exemplifies how the Discovery is a design built completely around one stupid gimmick. Once they realized during production that they wouldn’t be doing Fuller’s batshit “ok so it jettisons parts and becomes a fake Klingon ship after crossing into their territory” premise they really should have had a redesign. I’m assuming they were already too far into pre-viz and modeling by then and too committed to aping that godawful McQuarrie concept to make a change at that point though. I love McQuarrie, but there’s a reason that old concept never saw the light of day. The 32nd century refit fixes some of the issues by giving it an actual neck and making the hull less of a boxy triangle mess, but it’s ultimately still hampered by that terrible original design.
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Jun 7, 2022 05:53
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I actually really like Discovery’s big chunky engineering hull and its almost comically small saucer. It looks kinda goofy when you view it from directly overhead, but when you see it front or side on it looks kinda sleek, especially when the show can’t stop itself from doing weird camera stunts. Its flatness also works really well with the spore jump, too. It looks exactly like a ship that would spin around its major axis and then slam straight down through spacetime.
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Jun 7, 2022 06:03
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I’d honestly choose Disco over Picard. Disco is dumb but I like some of the cast, it’s nice to see genuine and varied representation being given a priority, and at it least occasionally has good ideas. I actually thought season 1 of Disco was pretty enjoyable, Picard doesn’t have anything good.
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Jun 7, 2022 06:11
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holefoods posted:I actually thought season 1 of Disco was pretty enjoyable, Picard doesn’t have anything good. There are scattered bits and pieces of Picard Season 1 that are really good self contained Star Trek moments, and then Episodes 1, 2, and the last 15 minutes of Episode 10 in Season 2 are also pretty good but that's about it.
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Jun 7, 2022 06:13
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oh that’s true I was really into the first 2 episodes of season 2, which only made the fall even worse.
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Jun 7, 2022 06:22
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nine-gear crow posted:WHY WAS THIS NOT THE DESIGN THEY WENT WITH?! Because they released a teaser with the ship having a design much closer to that and nearly instantly had to reassure people it wasn't final because the squat forward slung nacelles don't look good
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Jun 7, 2022 06:23
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So, since I only briefly got to watch the latest episode of Strange New Worlds, who was it nurse Chapel was considering getting into a relationship with? Lt Ortegas or Spock? I'm presuming the latter from how they interacted and how much of a disaster it would be.
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Jun 7, 2022 06:25
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It is absolutely Spock
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Arglebargle III posted:I told DALL E mini to make Muppet Star Trek Wrath of Khan and this came out DALL E and Star Trek have been pretty consistently good for me.   "Captain James T. Frog"  "Kermit Picard"  
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holefoods posted:oh that’s true I was really into the first 2 episodes of season 2, which only made the fall even worse. It was so infuriating, going from the high of "Holy poo poo! They actually fixed what was wrong with the show!" to "Wait... Uh... Oh God, Jesus NO! They made it worse somehow.  "Like watching someone successfully bail out of a crashing plane, parachute safely to the ground, and then just stand there and let the flaming debris fall right on top of them and kill them.
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Jun 7, 2022 06:30
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Imagine how good Picard Season 2 would have been if it had just been Star Trek Sliders/Quantum Leap with them hopping from one bizarre alternative timeline to the next trying to find the key to bringing them all home and stopping the Borg Queen.
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Atlas Hugged posted:Imagine how good Picard Season 2 would have been if it had just been Star Trek Sliders/Quantum Leap with them hopping from one bizarre alternative timeline to the next trying to find the key to bringing them all home and stopping the Borg Queen. Scott Bakula guest-stars in an episode but everybody calls him Jean-Luc because only we can see he is Scott Bakula 
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Jun 7, 2022 06:38
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Picard recreating the famous scene where Sam Beckett finds himself in the shoes of a mentally handicapped man
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Atlas Hugged posted:Imagine how good Picard Season 2 would have been if it had just been Star Trek Sliders/Quantum Leap with them hopping from one bizarre alternative timeline to the next trying to find the key to bringing them all home and stopping the Borg Queen. A series of self-contained by interlinking episodes following a plot like that would have been fantastic, yet clearly beyond the ken of the Star Trek: Picard writers room.
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Jun 7, 2022 06:43
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nine-gear crow posted:There are scattered bits and pieces of Picard Season 1 that are really good self contained Star Trek moments, and then Episodes 1, 2, and the last 15 minutes of Episode 10 in Season 2 are also pretty good but that's about it. Every season of Discovery had at least one episode I liked...until season 4.
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Jun 7, 2022 06:46
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And of course an episode of Picard where they're all Muppets. Let's get Farscape weird. Edit: On second thought, maybe not. 
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Jun 7, 2022 06:54
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SNW posted:WOMAN: "Captain on the bridge." TTT posted:PIKE: "The course set? Great.
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Jun 7, 2022 07:15
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Among the other baffling decisions they made, as time passes I think I'm increasingly perplexed that they decided to eject most of Picard's new characters when I'm pretty sure I'd rather have continued on with them rather than Picard
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Jun 7, 2022 07:17
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Picard season 2 gave us a potential stargazer show that never materialized
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Jun 7, 2022 07:23
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Tiberius Christ posted:Picard season 2 gave us a potential stargazer show that never materialized It feels like the season was almost mandated by the higher ups to just ruthlessly dismantle any possibility of the show potentially continuing beyond Patrick Stewart's involvement. Or it was just the most gobsmacking inability to read a room that I've ever seen. Like someone going up to the Venus de Milo and going "wow, that's a really beautiful pedestal" in 100% sincerely and then walking right out of the museum.
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Jun 7, 2022 07:32
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I just can’t get over the wasted potential of jettisoning almost every single recurring character you’ve put time and effort into for the last two seasons. And yeah, they’ve said Seven and Raffi will return but you know they’ll be in like two scenes total next season so that Spiner can play his fifteenth bloated villain instead. And the dumbest part is, you don’t even have to do it for the purely shallow reason of “well we gotta make room for the old cast”. I mean the show you’re ostensibly continuing the story of was subtitled THE NEXT GENERATION. What better way to bring back the old cast and give them meaningful purpose (beyond nostalgia-baiting) than by literally having them shepherd and mentor THE NEXT GENERATION of characters through some inane galactic crisis? But no, that’s apparently beyond the scope of the Picard writer’s room. Instead we’re gonna get “Nemesis, but now they’re all older and sadder” stretched across ten episodes.
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Jun 7, 2022 07:42
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Every time they try to bring back the old cast one last time to inaugurate a new story it's a disaster. And every time they tell their own stories... well you have to tell your own stories to not be a disaster is the point there.
When it's a new cast doing their own thing it's not always good, but it's the only time it's not a disaster. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 07:55 on Jun 7, 2022 |
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Jun 7, 2022 07:53
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Arglebargle III posted:Every time they try to bring back the old cast one last time to inaugurate a new story it's a disaster. And every time they tell their own stories... well you have to tell your own stories to not be a disaster is the point there. Bill and Ted 3 would like a word with you sir.
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Jun 7, 2022 07:57
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Grand Fromage posted:Lack of heat input is the fundamental problem. It doesn't matter what the atmospheric gas mix is if it's all frozen to the surface. Earth's core stays molten, in part, because of its radioactive elements. So, have it that the planet is so rich in radioactives that it heats the surface from within*. The heat from the core also causes outgassing, which is why they could breathe why not. That even gives a reason to have the heavily shielded mining ship on hand for the colonists to escape on. * they should have called it Neo Io, or Io II. Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Jun 7, 2022 |
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Jun 7, 2022 07:57
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Arglebargle III posted:
This looks so much better wtf
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CLAM DOWN posted:I haven't watched Lower Decks but I just found out there's a ship in it called the USS Vancouver which absolutely rules, as I'm a very loud Vancouverite: They should call their fixer-up project shuttle the Kitbashilano Beach I live in the Seattle/Vancouver Metropolitan Axis and the USS Vancouver made me even happier than Starfleet Captain Jason Isaacs interrogating a Klingon spy about the difference between being "from Seattle" and being from Issaquah, and that was a lot
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Jun 7, 2022 09:10
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There's a lot wrong with Disco but I don't think the ship design was one of them. Science ships are supposed to look goofy and that pizza cutter poo poo is right up there. The fact they got another spore drive working in Season 4 with another ship that had a ton of goofy moving parts that did their movement for no particular reason is indicative that you needed to have a weird ship to make the spore drive work. Random thought: I'm gonna laugh if SNW is successful enough to actually convince Paramount to turn Disco into an episodic show for season 6.
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Jun 7, 2022 11:47
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Arglebargle III posted:
That looks godawful to me. The trailing nacelles are a much better look. I got really curious. 
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Jun 7, 2022 11:49
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Great, now I really want to see a race of muppets visit the SNW Enterprise set. All those sleek shiny interiors in wide shots with fuzzy puppets hanging out.
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Jun 7, 2022 12:06
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TomR posted:Great, now I really want to see a race of muppets visit the SNW Enterprise set. All those sleek shiny interiors in wide shots with fuzzy puppets hanging out. 
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Jun 7, 2022 12:17
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The Disco is a fundamentally flawed design, true. That being said, it's still neat and I like it, even if it's both dumb and ugly. But it also happens to be cool and pretty.
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Jun 7, 2022 12:18
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Arglebargle III posted:
It'll never not be hilarious that they devoted two entire episodes of the Boba Fett show to the Mandalorian, who already has his own show
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Jun 7, 2022 13:29
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I just can’t get over the wasted potential of jettisoning almost every single recurring character you’ve put time and effort into for the last two seasons. And yeah, they’ve said Seven and Raffi will return but you know they’ll be in like two scenes total next season so that Spiner can play his fifteenth bloated villain instead. And the dumbest part is, you don’t even have to do it for the purely shallow reason of “well we gotta make room for the old cast”. You know what I think happened? Terry Matalas was brought on board and only wanted to make a TNG cast reunion on a fancy 25th Century ship as a proper sendoff. So that concept gets all the love and attention and preproduction. Then either Paramount comes in and reminds everyone that they were promised three seasons, or the new actors’ contracts mandated they needed to be in at least one more season. So what do they do? They need to suddenly poo poo out a whole new season on the cheap while they work on the now-final season. The fancy new starship set is redressed as the “Stargazer” for a few episodes, and then they can run around modern LA for the rest of the time. This would also explain the really funny about-face that happened during Covid shutdowns when the producers said they were ahead on scripts, and then a year later Goldsman was shrugging and hoping S2 would come together in editing. Probably because it was a hastily-“written” hack job in order to fill space. (S3 will still be bad.)
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Jun 7, 2022 13:35
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At this point, it barely even matters if season 3 is good. The previous two seasons have so tainted the well that's all anyone will ever remember.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I’d honestly choose Disco over Picard. Disco is dumb but I like some of the cast, it’s nice to see genuine and varied representation being given a priority, and at it least occasionally has good ideas. Hard agree. Discovery isn't great. But it's a Trek show, even if it doesn't seem to know if it's in the TOS or Kelvin timeline half the time. It tries. The cast tries. Picard, on the other hand, looks and feels 100% like a fanfic-caliber story written and filmed by amateurs who kidnapped some of the cast's loved ones too blackmail them into appearing in front of the consumer-grade cameras.
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