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Jun 7, 2022 00:29
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twistedmentat posted:As i said, the Aftermath trilogy and a bunch of other books put out fill in all the story. That the Rebels fought the remnants of the Empire for 3 years until the battle of Jakku and defeated them yet again. Admerial Ray Sloan takes a big bunch of what was left after the battle and travels to the Unknown Regions. There they Met Snoke who transformed them from the Imperial Remnants to the First Order. When they came back they were small, only a handful of ships but they were powerful enough that the New Republic didn't want to risk starting a war with them because of this incredibly naive desire to not wanting to start a war again, so they just let them do whatever they wanted as long as they didn't just straight up attack the Republics major worlds. The First Order also had both sympathizers in the Senate and also just paid off a bunch as well to keep the Republic gridlocked in what to do with them. Also it means you have to be willing to recast actors and such when you do go and fill in the gaps and the current disney leadership that is all in on their digital ghoula technology doesn't seem suited for it.
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Jun 7, 2022 00:55
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oh my god shut the gently caress up about star wars
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Jun 7, 2022 01:02
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Speaking of which, I fundamentally do not understand that statement they put out saying "we're not going to be recasting actors based on time period anymore." Like, guys, you can't do that and simultaneously stripmine every facet of the movies (that take place across a diverse range of time periods) for further content. Even if I didn't find the way they turned Mark Hamill's likeness into a mannequin in Boba Fett right down to using a synthesized version of his voice creepy and gross, it's just nonsense.
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Jun 7, 2022 01:05
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Nikumatic posted:oh my god shut the gently caress up about star wars Well MCU has kidna been mid recently and seems to have no direction. The shows have ranged from fine to whatever. Movies have been mostly forgettable except Spider-Man. There's only the social drama left. On that topic I hated the forced insertion of Captian Marvel. Should've had the Black Widow film there. She hosed with the power scaling and they basically had to write her out of Endgame with stupid excuses. I don't really care about the other stuff. Who knows what the gently caress is going on with Black Panther. Just make M'Baku BP or cast a new man and call it day. No need to make it harder at this point.
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Jun 7, 2022 01:29
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Let’s just tear the bandaid off and have the inevitable Star Wars/MCU crossover stunt, already.
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Jun 7, 2022 01:45
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Marsupial Ape posted:Let’s just tear the bandaid off and have the inevitable Star Wars/MCU crossover stunt, already. It's already been scripted and trial ballooned. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BBhNkywMJY&t=45s
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Jun 7, 2022 01:48
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RBX posted:[Captain Marvel] hosed with the power scaling funny how this always comes up but no one says anything about Wanda in MoM
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Jun 7, 2022 02:01
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They are not comparable? One was pre endgame. The other is years(?) Later. You misunderstand the context. If they introduced Captain Marvel after endgame she'd be much more well received.
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Jun 7, 2022 02:10
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Captain Marvel having to be off world for the infinity saga was better written than, say, Hulk gets whooped and then can't fight anymore
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Jun 7, 2022 02:13
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RBX posted:On that topic I hated the forced insertion of Captian Marvel. Should've had the Black Widow film there. She hosed with the power scaling and they basically had to write her out of Endgame with stupid excuses. I don't really care about the other stuff. Who knows what the gently caress is going on with Black Panther. Just make M'Baku BP or cast a new man and call it day. No need to make it harder at this point. They wrote her into Endgame, not out. She filmed her Endgame stuff before her movie was even written because things got shuffled around a little and her movie was moved to before Endgame.
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Jun 7, 2022 02:22
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kazil posted:funny how this always comes up but no one says anything about Wanda in MoM Because Wanda did nothing wrong (besides mind loving an entire town and trying to kill a teenager).
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Jun 7, 2022 03:23
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RBX posted:power scaling No two words make me check out of a conversation faster.
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Jun 7, 2022 03:28
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ms marvel's comin out in like 2 days and i hope it's at least alright, cuz iman vellani is really endearing and as much of a huge nerd as her character
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Jun 7, 2022 03:52
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double negative posted:ms marvel's comin out in like 2 days and i hope it's at least alright, cuz iman vellani is really endearing and as much of a huge nerd as her character I'm fairly certain that I'm going to bruise my fingertips multiple times as I try to give her a hug through my computer screen.
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Jun 7, 2022 03:56
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The only problem with Captain Marvel as a movie is that she never kissed Maria even though the movie is like, a solid 40% lost husband coming home from the War in how it writes Carol and Maria and Monica’s situation.
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Jun 7, 2022 03:56
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Lord_Magmar posted:The only problem with Captain Marvel as a movie is that she never kissed Maria even though the movie is like, a solid 40% lost husband coming home from the War in how it writes Carol and Maria and Monica’s situation. I forget, didn't WandaVision imply that Carol gave Maria cancer? Am I making up or did I read one of you goons suggest that?
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Jun 7, 2022 04:03
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It’s a blank canvas for a non-comic book reader so it can only go up. I just hope it doesn’t spin it’s wheels which Moon Knight did IMO.
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Jun 7, 2022 04:25
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Marsupial Ape posted:I forget, didn't WandaVision imply that Carol gave Maria cancer? Am I making up or did I read one of you goons suggest that? It may have implied that Carol gave Maria cancer, but mostly Monica seems mad Carol abandoned them both again and Maria ended up dying whilst Carol was out being a space superhero. Also maybe issues with Carol failing to stop Thanos from performing the Snap in the first place considering it's why Monica missed Maria's death maybe?
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Jun 7, 2022 05:13
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Lord_Magmar posted:It may have implied that Carol gave Maria cancer, but mostly Monica seems mad Carol abandoned them both again and Maria ended up dying whilst Carol was out being a space superhero. That was pretty much what I got. Also maybe a bit of if Carol had at least checked back every once in a while, she'd have learned that Maria had cancer and could've maybe taken Maria to some advanced civilization out in space and gotten it cured.
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Jun 7, 2022 05:55
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Vintersorg posted:It’s a blank canvas for a non-comic book reader so it can only go up. I just hope it doesn’t spin it’s wheels which Moon Knight did IMO. An MCU show faffing about for half a season before delivering all its best ideas in the last couple of episodes? Impossible
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Jun 7, 2022 06:35
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kazil posted:Captain Marvel having to be off world for the infinity saga was better written than, say, Hulk gets whooped and then can't fight anymore The Hulk thing is a character beat that at least gets some justification, the Captain Marvel thing was bad because it was presented as the ace in the hole at the end of IW, but she spends 90% of Endgame doing sidequests instead of progressing the main story.
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Jun 7, 2022 08:19
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Open Source Idiom posted:I've not seen the film in ages so I have no overall thesis to share, and I'm not invalid validation so I can't share their thesis, but I'd roughly agree with the sentiment that The Last Jedi did things differently. See, to me none of that is different though. I liked grumpy Hermit Luke, but that's just also a retread of Old Ben Kenobi and Yoda. I like that Rey doesn't have magic space blood, just like the kid at the end, but you know who else doesn't have magic space blood? Literally every other Jedi whose surname isn't Skywalker. I wish they had undermined the rulebreaking rogue archetype but the movie, while trying to do so, just proves that Poe was correct in every single instance (apart from the end where he gets a bunch of people killed then changes his mind and the lesson we learn is uh) The "capitalism bad" thing is some neoliberal "both sides" trash where somehow the rebels buying spaceships to blow up the fash spaceships means they're both as bad as each other somehow. There's probably a good point to be made exploring the subject, but a 20 second aside that is never touched upon again isn't particularly deep, even in films as shallow as these usually are. It's arguably just the Lando selling out to the Empire arc in ESB too. Again, I'm fine with people liking the film. I personally think Rogue One is the best Star War, and some people think my fave is trash, it's a polarising franchise these days and that's been the case since Phantom Menace when suddenly we had to all factionalise into good vs. bad Star Wars. Thanks for your input though. I kind of feel at this point that "doing something different" is almost a thing TLJ fans say to responsively defend the film they love, in the face of a whole lot of very bad faith criticism that film gets, as it's impossible to have an actual conversation about that movie these days as the well has been so poisoned by toxic nerds. I wish I could see TLJ as a noble failure, but I really can only see all the story beats from ESB, but with all the bad guy tech being bigger, and making less sense. One more day until Ms. Marvel to rescue the thread, woo!
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Jun 7, 2022 09:29
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Oh my god no one cares
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Jun 7, 2022 09:35
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Rarity posted:An MCU show faffing about for half a season before delivering all its best ideas in the last couple of episodes? Impossible They should probably cut the first half and just release the good episodes.
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Jun 7, 2022 09:56
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Parkingtigers posted:it's a polarising franchise these days and that's been the case since Fixed that for you. Hell, I bet if you looked hard enough you can probably find some article from the early 80s about how Empire ruined the franchise.
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Jun 7, 2022 12:52
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enki42 posted:Fixed that for you. Hell, I bet if you looked hard enough you can probably find some article from the early 80s about how Empire ruined the franchise. This literally happened and there's a good Movies With Mikey video that dives into it a bit. Lots of hardcore Star Wars fans hated Empire when it came out.
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Jun 7, 2022 15:10
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idk why yall still talking about star wars itt when there’s a whole rear end thread for it elsewhere in this subforum, but the ms marvel review embargo is up, with pretty positive reactions, largely emphasizing the charm of the lead as expected.
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Jun 7, 2022 15:21
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Show better have an Embiggen scene or so help me god I'm taking this thread right back to Star Wars chat
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Jun 7, 2022 15:27
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Infinitum posted:Show better have an Embiggen scene or so help me god I'm taking this thread right back to Star Wars chat Rumor is that they don't have an embiggen scene to keep her powers consistent with the new plot point of mirroring Captain Marvel, but they do have a perfectly cromulent scene with a reference to the comics powers.
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Jun 7, 2022 15:29
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:They wrote her into Endgame, not out. She filmed her Endgame stuff before her movie was even written because things got shuffled around a little and her movie was moved to before Endgame. Captain Marvel was always supposed to come out before Endgame; it was just that the scale of Endgame's production and the consequent scheduling meant that Larson's scenes for Endgame ended up being filmed first.
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Jun 7, 2022 15:35
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best you’re gonna get is a pseudo-embiggen with her hard light power as you see at 0:16 here https://twitter.com/Mcu_Master01/status/1534130572691288064?s=20&t=IPv7vawUQForXfdebLI7RA
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Jun 7, 2022 15:36
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Spermando posted:The Hulk thing is a character beat that at least gets some justification, the Captain Marvel thing was bad because it was presented as the ace in the hole at the end of IW, but she spends 90% of Endgame doing sidequests instead of progressing the main story. Considering the way the story went in Endgame I think having Captain Marvel running around just off screen for long stretches of the movie was the right call. The Time Heist wasn't a punching problem, and was instead about the original Avengers coming to terms with whatever their particular issue was so they could face the final battle, more or less. Including Danvers in that doesn't really get you anything, she'd be like Rhodey, Scott or Rocket, just kind of there kibitzing about the old movies.
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Jun 7, 2022 15:42
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double negative posted:best you’re gonna get is a pseudo-embiggen with her hard light power as you see at 0:16 here Someone should really kill Mr Fantastic so we can have comic accurate Kamala
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Jun 7, 2022 15:45
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It was the right call because she could just effortlessly punk Thanos and his entire fleet at any time
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Jun 7, 2022 15:45
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I still wonder what the real explanation for the Ms. Marvel powers change is; the only response I've seen from Marvel Studios creatives in interviews is some kind of vague PR-speak about "connecting to future stories in the MCU" or whatever, which is effectively meaningless guessing it was some combination of her comics powers being too similar to Reed Richards', the stretching powers being difficult to pull off on a Disney+ budget (which is high by TV standards but a decent bit cheaper than the films), and a concern that she might seem underpowered in The Marvels in comparison to Carol Danvers
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Jun 7, 2022 15:45
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Infinitum posted:Someone should really kill Mr Fantastic so we can have comic accurate Kamala Listen here buddy...
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Jun 7, 2022 15:49
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Barry Convex posted:I still wonder what the real explanation for the Ms. Marvel powers change is; the only response I've seen from Marvel Studios creatives in interviews is some kind of vague PR-speak about "connecting to future stories in the MCU" or whatever, which is effectively meaningless They want her powerset to fit in more with the other leads in The Marvels + the MCU Inhumans bombed + stretchy powers on TV are extremely offputting (I love Doom Patrol but they are already dabbling in an amount of body horror that would be out of place in a D+ series that they are aiming at younger audiences)
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Jun 7, 2022 15:59
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quote:stretchy powers on TV are extremely offputting It's this. Also it's probably a lot more work to make CGI stretchy powers in extended fights compared to "shoots beams" or "is stronk"
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Jun 7, 2022 16:06
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The (brief) stretchy stuff in Multiverse of Madness was super uncanny valley, and that was with a movie budget (like how disturbing the movie Hulk CG is if he's in human skin tones not green)
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