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Trickjaw
Jun 23, 2005
Nadie puede dar lo que no tiene



Ash Crimson posted:

Delusional comment, go in peace

Go away.

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Juche Couture
Feb 3, 2007


As an NHS (exclusively) doctor it really loving sucks when friends and family say “I’ve been given this long to wait, should I just go private?” and the answer is…yeah if you can afford it.

My partner broke her knee terribly recently and had a locked knee as a result, which is something that needs to be operated on within 2-3 weeks to avoid permanent disability, I begged every colleague I knew and got all her scans and the op done fast, while feeling sick that that was what it took.

A friend has a complex migraine disorder and has finally been referred to a tertiary neurology centre to see a neurologist specialising in the field.

Her first appointment is in September.

September 2023.

kingturnip
Apr 18, 2008

Z the IVth posted:

These days it's usually a block contract where the hospital/department gets paid a set amount (based on an estimated number of cases) by the commissioners. As I recall this is renegotiated every few years (five?) so if there's a sudden jump in demand you could be seeing 2x the number of referrals incoming for the same amount of money. It really incentivises dealing with patients as quickly and "efficiently" as possible (ideally by never letting them darken your door in the first place). As you might imagine, this leads to a whole new set of equally troublesome issues.

Referrals to our service have gone up by 40% compared to pre-Covid. We were more or less on top of things before Covid, but the impact on the quantity of work we could do during Covid, combined with the increase in demand for our service post-Covid, combined with a national staffing shortage partially caused by the Tories being loving incompetent... means that we are very much not on top of things now.


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I work in Community Paediatrics and if a parent asks me whether they should go private to get their child assessed for autism or ADHD, my answer is almost exactly "Yeah, if you can afford it".
You could wait 2-3 years for your child to get a diagnosis of autism (or not), or you can pay £1200-£1800 and almost always get a diagnosis.
Or you could try to slog your way through the CAMHS triage process and hope the referral for ADHD assessment gets accepted (nationally, I've read that 30% of referrals are accepted, but it's way loving lower than that in my area).

It's loving criminal, because it utterly discriminates against the poorest in society who can't afford it. And yet, if the child is on my caseload, I have a duty to the parents to tell them to make use of their (relatively) privileged lot in life.

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

I tried to look into private healthcare a while ago, but on top of them all excluding pre-existing conditions (which makes it loving useless for all the accumulated issues I can't see an NHS doctor for), none of the plans I found said anything about private GPs. They're all talk about their fancy hospitals and expensive surgery cover, but please can I just see a GP?

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

BUPA definitely has private GPs. They're not as easily accessible and will probably require some travelling.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

https://twitter.com/regionalusfood/status/1527326900229529602?s=21&t=Mb_919x8RpQJdkvD_2GoHg

Sir Keith Steamer

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
Public: A- policy!? At this time of year, at this time of day, in this part of the country, localized entirely within your party!?
Steamer: Yes.
Public: ...May I see it?
Steamer: ...No.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


kingturnip posted:

Referrals to our service have gone up by 40% compared to pre-Covid. We were more or less on top of things before Covid, but the impact on the quantity of work we could do during Covid, combined with the increase in demand for our service post-Covid, combined with a national staffing shortage partially caused by the Tories being loving incompetent... means that we are very much not on top of things now.


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I work in Community Paediatrics and if a parent asks me whether they should go private to get their child assessed for autism or ADHD, my answer is almost exactly "Yeah, if you can afford it".
You could wait 2-3 years for your child to get a diagnosis of autism (or not), or you can pay £1200-£1800 and almost always get a diagnosis.
Or you could try to slog your way through the CAMHS triage process and hope the referral for ADHD assessment gets accepted (nationally, I've read that 30% of referrals are accepted, but it's way loving lower than that in my area).

It's loving criminal, because it utterly discriminates against the poorest in society who can't afford it. And yet, if the child is on my caseload, I have a duty to the parents to tell them to make use of their (relatively) privileged lot in life.

I long ago gave up on actually getting help for my myriad mental health problems beyond meds (which at least for me have made life liveable) because the waiting list to see anyone but someone who talks you through guided self-CBT or what ever it was called which is absolutely no help for me is so long and by the time i get referred to someone I have lost the self-motavation or am otherwise not mentally in a position where I can talk about this poo poo (it's the old catch 22. To actually go to the doctor requires the effort that I just can't make when I'm at my lowest. Like, if it's an appointment anywhere but my local GP surgery which is only open 3 days a week it involves a 40 minute bus journey followed by a wait of 20-30 minutes, then another 30 minute bus ride & a 20 minute walk.)

I guess it's mildly reassuring to know it's not just the mental health services that are woefully underfunded.

I wonder if the NHS can even be saved at this point. Starve the best has clearly been working well from the free market psycho's point of view. To reverse at this point 12 years of Tory misrule (without touching upon Labour's love of PFI, saddling the health service with pointless debts for years to come) will take years, massive spending increases, finding a way to encourage more people to train as medical professionals.

I'm not saying it shouldn't be saved, I'm just wondering if any politician actually has the willingness to "waste political capital" on a project that won't provide immediate results. Seems we're loving incapable of doing anything that won't pay off for a decade

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
policies are bad anyway

Like when was the last time you were like wanting to do something and someone came running up to you saying yesss yes do it, we've got explicit policies about allowing people to do this and were really excited about this? Nah, its always like sorry no there's a don't do that policy, its bullshit but its the policy, shrugs shoulders sorry.

yeah, nah policies are rubbish. Best not to have any.

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

That is broadly true of almost every problem, though. Nobody in government gives a poo poo about solving any of the problems because they would all require changing the long term course of the country.

There was that one guy but obviously we needed more brexit so we couldn't have that.

Mebh
May 10, 2010


The kicker is privately there's no way to get pre existing conditions cover, but with corporate private healthcare there is. The more people who sign up at your company, the better coverage everyone gets.

At bupa for example a few hundred gets you and ask your colleagues that. But if you want gender reaffirming surgery to be covered you need 400+ sign ups.

It's... Quite something.

Gyro Zeppeli
Jul 19, 2012

sure hope no-one throws me off a bridge

I gave up on even getting meds for my mental problems right around the time I spilled my guts to my GP about my constant grinding anxiety and she gave me a leaflet about meditation. I know it's not her fault and by doing that, it's another case that doesn't need to go on the pile, but I'd still quite like to try anti-anxiety meds sometime cuz I have a feeling they're pretty good at...getting rid of anxiety.

His Divine Shadow
Aug 7, 2000

I'm not a fascist. I'm a priest. Fascists dress up in black and tell people what to do.

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

Yeah, potatoes are best cooked in stages, with a chance to cool a bit between each one. You simmer them until they start to soften, fluff up the edges with a fork or very gentle tossing, then cook them properly. For the absolute best wedges you deep fry them at 130C after the first stage to get a light crispy coating, then deep fry at 170C after they've cooled down to finish them off. Otherwise just oil them up and oven cook them.

I do have a fryer but I made these in the oven. The last ones I tried to make didn't turn out as good as my first run though, I overcrowded the pan because you don't get a lot of them by my standards, it was this guy who I got it from, he's anti-fryer at home, but frankly we love ours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6kcANnAJSo

That later led me to this, which lead me to ordering beef tallow last night as well from the butcher. I can only get raw stuff here so I gotta render it myself. But I'm gonna do some food experimenting, adding beef tallow to frying oil and some other stuff, to try and replicate old style mcdonalds fries:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo7vZm9a2To

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
You'll be able to get cheap refined beef tallow soon by exchanging your money for pound sterling polymer notes at any bank.

Tomberforce
May 30, 2006


Sir Keith Steamed Hams. Old family recipe.

Marmaduke!
May 19, 2009

Why would it do that!?

Gyro Zeppeli posted:

I gave up on even getting meds for my mental problems right around the time I spilled my guts to my GP about my constant grinding anxiety and she gave me a leaflet about meditation. I know it's not her fault and by doing that, it's another case that doesn't need to go on the pile, but I'd still quite like to try anti-anxiety meds sometime cuz I have a feeling they're pretty good at...getting rid of anxiety.

Oh yeah this is like the one time I went to see a doctor about some issues while at uni, and she just did a websearch in front of me and advised me to do that (obviously I'd tried them all already). She was far more concerned that I'd moved out of their catchment area so she could remove me from their books. And here I am ten years later with the same problem, plodding along though.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
I once saw a GP go on Wikipedia to look up contraindications for something he was about to prescribe. I know information's information and part of the qualification should be able to filter obvious lies and it might be more up to date than some 2kg textbook if you also read the citations but there's something off-putting about going to the Free Encyclopedia That Horse Paste Eaters Can Edit for that specifically. At least do an internal NHS branded one (I'll set up the wiki).

NotJustANumber99
Feb 15, 2012

somehow that last av was even worse than your posting
or angle their screen away from the patients

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Guavanaut posted:

I once saw a GP go on Wikipedia to look up contraindications for something he was about to prescribe. I know information's information and part of the qualification should be able to filter obvious lies and it might be more up to date than some 2kg textbook if you also read the citations but there's something off-putting about going to the Free Encyclopedia That Horse Paste Eaters Can Edit for that specifically. At least do an internal NHS branded one (I'll set up the wiki).

That's weird because those resources already exist

Lungboy
Aug 23, 2002

NEED SQUAT FORM HELP
I once went for a colonoscopy and the consultant looked up whether I could have gas&air due to my CF while I was lying on the bed with my arse out. Maybe do that first?

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Lungboy posted:

I once went for a colonoscopy and the consultant looked up whether I could have gas&air due to my CF while I was lying on the bed with my arse out. Maybe do that first?

Maybe you were still a bit farty and he was waiting for you to clear out.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Failed Imagineer posted:

That's weird because those resources already exist
Yeah I've seen registered nurses use the 90s terminal style ones where you put a medicine in and it comes up with a list quite often but I guess he didn't have that or he already had wiki open to look up some cool facts of the day or something :shrug:

It's of course possible that nobody had told him that they had that, which is even more worrying.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

I'm assuming there's an element of the general defunding of the NHS that overseas data might not get into their database as quickly as someone can add it to Wikipedia. I'd also hope that articles on medicines are stringently monitored to prevent the Ivermectin brigade from doing that poo poo.

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there

Lungboy posted:

I once went for a colonoscopy and the consultant looked up whether I could have gas&air due to my CF while I was lying on the bed with my arse out. Maybe do that first?

CF = chronic flatulence or cystic fibrosis?

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Guavanaut posted:

I once saw a GP go on Wikipedia to look up contraindications for something he was about to prescribe. I know information's information and part of the qualification should be able to filter obvious lies and it might be more up to date than some 2kg textbook if you also read the citations but there's something off-putting about going to the Free Encyclopedia That Horse Paste Eaters Can Edit for that specifically. At least do an internal NHS branded one (I'll set up the wiki).

I went in & asked if the warning about sertraline not being mixed with grapefruit juice applied to other citrus fruits. Because I was curious after reading a bit about the interaction of grapefruit & discovered that the thing that causes the problems is also in Seville oranges & in bergamot. Which, Seville oranges is no biggie, I don't eat marmalade. But my tea of choice is Earl Grey which has bergamot in it. I hadn't had any particularly notable side effects but like I say, I was curious if I should drop the Earl Grey & find a different drink. So the GP looks blankly before spinning around to her PC & going on Google & ended up on WebMD or whatever.

Obviously I was asking a slightly niche question and by nature General Practioners can't know everything but boy was it a little shocking to see her just do what I could have done at home. I assumed there was an NHS website or at least journal access that I didn't have.

(The conclusion was it's probably fine)

Brendan Rodgers
Jun 11, 2014




I reckon CBT will age very poorly, maybe there's some real research there and the tories are just loving it up, but being "treated" by what seems to be a 20 year old who went on some seminars, and that treatment essentially coming down to her making me write a list of my bad thoughts and then promise not to think them, is some kafkaesque poo poo.

sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Brendan Rodgers posted:

I reckon CBT will age very poorly, maybe there's some real research there and the tories are just loving it up, but being "treated" by what seems to be a 20 year old who went on some seminars, and that treatment essentially coming down to her making me write a list of my bad thoughts and then promise not to think them, is some kafkaesque poo poo.

CBT or CBT?

Brendan Rodgers
Jun 11, 2014




sebzilla posted:

CBT or CBT?

Committee on Bible Translation

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
Petition to translate John 11:33 as "ow, my balls" rejected. Please also remove all references to motor scooters.

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

forkboy84 posted:

Obviously I was asking a slightly niche question and by nature General Practioners can't know everything but boy was it a little shocking to see her just do what I could have done at home. I assumed there was an NHS website or at least journal access that I didn't have.
Yeah honestly this is basically how I justify self-diagnosing and self-medicating for a variety of issues (within reason). No point battling through the gauntlet and waiting a month to see a GP when I just give something a go and see if it helps.

Brendan Rodgers posted:

I reckon CBT will age very poorly, maybe there's some real research there and the tories are just loving it up, but being "treated" by what seems to be a 20 year old who went on some seminars, and that treatment essentially coming down to her making me write a list of my bad thoughts and then promise not to think them, is some kafkaesque poo poo.
From my (very limited) understanding, most practitioners that claim to offer CBT actually offer either a very small part or an extremely watered down version. I've been told I should try to find a CBT practitioner for all my amazing issues but also warned that it's extremely difficult to find a good one, and there's basically no way of knowing ahead of time unless you have a friend seeing the same person.

Angepain
Jul 13, 2012

what keeps happening to my clothes
Quickly editing wikipedia just before my appointment to recommend 20kg/day marijuana for my sprined ankle, the perfect crime

Lungboy
Aug 23, 2002

NEED SQUAT FORM HELP

Rust Martialis posted:

CF = chronic flatulence or cystic fibrosis?

Sadly the latter.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


Angepain posted:

Quickly editing wikipedia just before my appointment to recommend 20kg/day marijuana for my sprined ankle, the perfect crime

Sorry, I changed it to amputation after you.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Guavanaut posted:

Petition to translate John 11:33 as "ow, my balls" rejected.

"When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who had come along with her also weeping, he was deeply moved and troubled"?

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
the GP i had in my teens when i first experienced really black depression and was feeling suicidal for the first time told me i just needed to mix more with other boys and should take up rugby to let out some aggression lol

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear
wonder how many people died because of that stupid oval office's words of wisdom

TACD
Oct 27, 2000

crispix posted:

wonder how many people died because of that stupid oval office's words of wisdom
just how much aggression were you letting out in the rugby?

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

Jedit posted:

"When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who had come along with her also weeping, he was deeply moved and troubled"?
Followed by "where have you put him" and then "Jesus wept." So if you switch it, you get a series of words someone might say if interrupted in the meat and two veg by CBT (the bible guys or the other one).

crispix
Mar 28, 2015

Grand-Maman m'a raconté
(Les éditions des amitiés franco-québécoises)

Hello, dear

TACD posted:

just how much aggression were you letting out in the rugby?

i'd probably enjoy rugby now, it seems very sexy, but anyone who has experienced depression will know that you don't have any aggression to get rid of: you don't have any feelings of anything and that's what made the comment so ridiculous

I've heard from others - even those who thought she was a good doctor - that she just "didn't do MH problems"

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DesperateDan
Dec 10, 2005

Where's my cow?

Is that my cow?

No it isn't, but it still tramples my bloody lavender.
thought I had been waiting since december to hear about getting on the books for pain clinic and the neurological specialists but it's actually been since august last year lol

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