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Yep, if it's part of the offboarding process and it's happening during working hours? That's fine and right up there with walking your laptop over to IT and handing in your badge at security. If it's on your dime I'll stand on my head and count backward in German if that's what you're paying me for. If it's outside of work, i.e. during my private time? gently caress right off with that. I'll also give a carve out for if you're some kind of high earner or have a senior position where the lines between personal and company time blur a bunch anyways. In some hypothetical world where I'm drawing seven figures for consulting with your company or I'm the CFO or whatever? Sure, whatever. The relationship is much different than being a help desk drone and those kinds of expectations of increased access go with the increased pay. But if you're giving me $60k a year to organize paperwork and shuffle emails? Either schedule the exit interview for while I'm still an employee or pay my consulting rate if knowing how I feel is that important.
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Eric the Mauve posted:I've never personally seen this but a big fuckin'
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The only place I left with an exit interview process in place scheduled it when I first resigned, then notified me they were refusing to process my resignation and I was to continue to come in and canceled the exit interview. Then a week after my initial leave date they decided to immediately process my resignation one evening effective the next business day. No one rescheduled the exit interview and I just left. Can't remember if they did or didn't send me an email about it afterwards but if so I didn't bother with it. Pretty sure a lot of that was just a c- level being mad that me leaving on my schedule reduced their feeling of control, and who wanted to make resigning feel emotionally as close to being fired as they could possibly manage.
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Jun 6, 2022 17:28
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They refused to process your resignation and instead you come in?  How can they do that? How in gods name did they expect to force you to keep working for them?
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Jun 6, 2022 17:35
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It was definitely an extreme  situation. Obviously I could have just walked out anyway, but I was in a narrow industry and trying to maintain re-hire eligibility among other complexities. Really glad to have switched careers since then.
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Jun 6, 2022 17:48
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Eric the Mauve posted:
Yeah, that's some bull. Places I've been either didn't do them or scheduled usually a day or so before the last day. Last day was usually "pretend to work until IT shuts off your access then awkwardly go home". I did jump on a call with a buddy when something I used to own didn't get handed over, but that was 100% helping a friend, not a company
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Jun 6, 2022 18:09
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Eric the Mauve posted:there's no upside There is no upside for doing them either. Just make sure they know it's not personal. "As a matter of personal policy, I must decline to do any exit interviews" and if they don't like it, that's a shame.
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Jun 6, 2022 18:14
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Lockback posted:Yeah, that's some bull. Places I've been either didn't do them or scheduled usually a day or so before the last day. Last day was usually "pretend to work until IT shuts off your access then awkwardly go home". Lol I love last day "why am I even here" it's closest you can get to attending your own funeral. Maybe "the day after your own funeral"
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Jun 6, 2022 18:15
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I am going through 3 months of notice and I can already see my handover duties being completed soon, I asked to end the notice period early. Turns out my (only) colleague is on holiday during those two weeks, so my boss denied my request (which is his right to be fair, even though they only got those two weeks because I wanted to give them a chance to counter). The expectation is, that I will be the sole person in my role at the company for my last two weeks. So no one to hand off to or anything, just keeping things running. Those two weeks will be very interesting. Can't do project work or anything at that point. I'll literally sit around only to do quick change requests or handle escalated tickets. Hell, already I am limited to working on a few last projects that I can likely complete before my end date and doing day2day stuff.
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Jun 6, 2022 18:33
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Magnetic North posted:There is no upside for doing them either. Just make sure they know it's not personal. "As a matter of personal policy, I must decline to do any exit interviews" and if they don't like it, that's a shame. i would absolutely guffaw at a mf that told me this
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Jun 6, 2022 20:22
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:i would absolutely guffaw at a mf that told me this Went over fine when I did it. My director kept emailing me trying to ask about poo poo (not work poo poo, but "why are you leaving") so I just ignored him. The HR drone I'd never spoken just accepted it and collected my badge. 
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That’s fine that you don’t give a gently caress about what your director thinks of you after you’re gone, but a lot of people including myself would care and would just go along with what they ask me to do during work hours for the most part. Recommendations and networking are often a powerful driver of career growth over your lifetime, why kneecap that needlessly
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Lockback posted:I don't understand the goon aversion to an exit interview. If they are scheduling it during your paid working time, you should give professional, polite feedback. There's lots of examples of companies using that feedback to improve the conditions, and enough people saying "Yeah, I am leaving for better compensation" is how you lift the tide in an industry. If you're concerned an exit interview will tarnish your professional reputation then ditching it certainly won't help, but you're leaving either way so it's not going to hurt you. Don't be whiny or try to throw mud or settle scores, but you can be direct. In my past 2 jobs I have seen compensation, PTO and even medical insurance options change driven by exit interviews. Apparently goons will do anything to avoid a 15 minute conversation. Agree that it's totally bizarre. This shouldn't really cost you anything unless you plan on spontaneously confessing to crimes during the exit.
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"I learned a lot here but I definitely have regrets about shooting JFK, I could have handled that situation more professionally"
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My exit interviews are usually “I enjoyed working here but I’m looking for a new challenge, more money etc. If I were you I’d change X system to reduce headaches and processes Y and Z to make the life of a $job_title easier. Thanks for the chat, have a good one!” Nothing really difficult about it but I’ve never left under difficult circumstances or been asked for an exit interview on my own dime.
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Eric the Mauve posted:"I learned a lot here but I definitely have regrets about shooting JFK, I could have handled that situation more professionally" Hey wait I’ve seen the pictures when they walked him out after this exit interview. No thank you!
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Well, I hosed up. I have been somewhat passively looking for a job and got an initial interview with the recruiter tomorrow. The initial email she sent asked for resume, times to interview and pay. I checked glassdoor, saw they were paying regular reps on average 52 and about 75 with extras, and specialty reps 72K plus bonuses commission, etc, so about 100k. So I said I wanted 75-90k base, with my total compensation being 125k-150k per year. This is a pharma sales job. You get a car, gas card and credit card, 401k match and 2 weeks (ridiculous!) vacation. In the job description it mentions "uncapped incentive compensation" She gets back to me, well we can only do 50-60k base and you will top out at 85k. I am in passive job hunting mode, because I have a job I don't actively hate, so I figure this is a good time to brush up on interview and negotiation skills. I reply back that if I were to take a step back in compensation I would expect there to be a return in my long term prospects regarding both compensation and title. She replies asking if I can do a date and time outside of the ones I listed, I say no and reiterate my time availability. We settle on tomorrow at 9am. Rereading the thread, I know I hosed up on giving a range. This is a small ish company 200+ employees, with FDA approved lines. I am shooting for increased 401K match, extra vacation, and personal use of the company car if that is not already included, because gently caress gas prices right now. I also want guarantees on promotional opportunities (guaranteed interview for managerial roles/national account roles), and equity guarantees. Did I already gently caress myself out of all of this? Thanks in advance.
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Mr. Toodles posted:Well, I hosed up. I have been somewhat passively looking for a job and got an initial interview with the recruiter tomorrow. The initial email she sent asked for resume, times to interview and pay. I checked glassdoor, saw they were paying regular reps on average 52 and about 75 with extras, and specialty reps 72K plus bonuses commission, etc, so about 100k. So I said I wanted 75-90k base, with my total compensation being 125k-150k per year. This is a pharma sales job. You get a car, gas card and credit card, 401k match and 2 weeks (ridiculous!) vacation. In the job description it mentions "uncapped incentive compensation" You're not going to get a guaranteed promotion. And a pro forma interview to not give you a promotion is both silly and worth nothing. Not sure what you're looking for there.
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leper khan posted:You're not going to get a guaranteed promotion. And a pro forma interview to not give you a promotion is both silly and worth nothing. Not sure what you're looking for there. You're right, and that was a poor choice of words. I guess I'm trying to figure what I can ask for if I can't get the money. I don't want a job where I am going to languish in a rep role for 5-10 years.
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I don't know that there's a useful answer to that question. If they're being skinflint on salary they will also be skinflint on other things that might not be salary but nevertheless cost them money, which they aren't interested in spending. If you hosed up here, it was by not saying "sorry to hear that, you can call me if you change your mind, bye" when they said "tops out at 85K" (for a phrama sales rep? Seriously???)
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Eric the Mauve posted:I don't know that there's a useful answer to that question. If they're being skinflint on salary they will also be skinflint on other things that might not be salary but nevertheless cost them money, which they aren't interested in spending. If you hosed up here, it was by not saying "sorry to hear that, you can call me if you change your mind, bye" when they said "tops out at 85K" (for a phrama sales rep? Seriously???) Ok. I felt like my target was on point for the industry, but I shouldn't have come out and said. Time to review the thread!
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Yeah you messed up but it also didn't matter because y'all were so far apart in acceptable ranges. Free practice that cost you nothing!
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Magnetic North posted:Went over fine when I did it. My director kept emailing me trying to ask about poo poo (not work poo poo, but "why are you leaving") so I just ignored him. The HR drone I'd never spoken just accepted it and collected my badge. i wouldn't like, make you do it or whatever because that would be silly but i would immediately view you as a clown because an exit interview on the company's time is absolutely a norm that you are ignoring because ????
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The fact that he ignored his boss asking why he is leaving is also insane. Like, yes, you are not going to go to jail for not answering the question, but it’s also a reasonable human thing for your boss to wonder. Ignoring it would be considered a dick or clown move. If you really want to for whatever reason you could have given a politically correct saccharine response without saying the real reason, but you didn’t even want to do that.
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Exit Interviews: The Richard Clown Story
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So I had a great interview last week, the department head even complimented me at the end. He told me I'd hear back from them yesterday. No contact all day, I emailed him saying I was expecting their call. He thanked me for the reminder, said he is waiting to hear back from their board and that he will contact me today. Today is over and still nothing... Any other job I would have already closed out on, but I actually thought the interview went great and I generally had a good first impression. How much slack do I cut them before severing all ties? I mean I do believe he is probably waiting on their board, but why is he committing to such timelines if he can't keep them. And he could still let me know that I will have to wait a bit longer. Should I give him the benefit of the doubt and just assume incompetence/forgetfulness? I plan to comfront him about this anyway, because if this is an indicator of how things are going to be when I'm there, I think I changed my mind. IDK, I really thought this could be going somewhere, but this behavior feels so unprofessional to me 
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I don't understand why you think this means you have to  like they're a crazy ex. You just move forward with your job search assuming this one didn't work out, and if they do get back to you, great. If you interpret their not keeping their word as to when they'd contact you as a red flag (not an unreasonable interpretation at all) then raise your asking price if they ultimately make you an offer.I don't understand what you think is to gain from "confronting" him.
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He could have set expectations for turn around time better but this it's common for orgs to have a bunch of slow moving parts that take a while to get to you. I had a friend who got "strung along" for 3 weeks but ultimately got the role and is very happy with it. His was senior manager role and required a bit more approval/review but it ultimately was just the company being slow. Nothing weird/bad was going on.
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Check out teamblind posts about how long Google takes to get back to people. A few days is nothing.
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SEKCobra posted:So I had a great interview last week, the department head even complimented me at the end. He told me I'd hear back from them yesterday. No contact all day, I emailed him saying I was expecting their call. He thanked me for the reminder, said he is waiting to hear back from their board and that he will contact me today. Today is over and still nothing... Delays in the hiring process are super common. I don't think I've ever gotten a follow up as quickly as was promised. It's certainly annoying, but you're very much overreacting to the circumstances here. There's no reason to "confront" anyone or "sever all ties" because it takes them a couple days more than expected. A friendly professional reminder the evening of the day you were expecting a response is plenty. Follow up every few days thereafter if you're feeling anxious.
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You should leave a dozen voicemails
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Unless you mean comfort him, which is super considerate.
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Eric the Mauve posted:I don't understand why you think this means you have to Well you are right that I phrased that somewhat poorly, but I have tried being a bit more deliberate on stopping applications that won't go anywhere to preserve my time. I am also wanting to make a final decision soon and I don't like someone (over)committing to an admittedly extremely short timeframe and then just not following up at all. The reason I'm antsy about this is simply that I was pretty much finalizing my applications and getting ready to decide between a few offers but am delaying all of that for their offer, because of how the interview went. What I mean about confronting him is mentioning to him that he told me a definitive date twice and both times failed to actually follow up and try to get a good excuse that makes me feel like this won't be a permanent issue if I work there.
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Every single company has had unexpected delays in hiring approvals from time to time. You can project that that means a poor company, but I don't think that's a very good bellwether, given how little time has actually passed. If you have some hard time lines let them know but then be done. Looking for excuses isn't a very worthwhile endeavor imo.
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And if you think that exercise through, if they do come up with “worthy” excuses, they might just be brilliant bullshitters. There’s no way that’s a reliable bellwether for…much of anything, I’d think.
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SEKCobra posted:So I had a great interview last week, the department head even complimented me at the end. He told me I'd hear back from them yesterday. No contact all day, I emailed him saying I was expecting their call. He thanked me for the reminder, said he is waiting to hear back from their board and that he will contact me today. Today is over and still nothing...
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“Sorry, <Board Member X> went out on vacation and isn’t back until next week.”
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If I was hiring for a position and I read the candidate talking through their mindset as you are here (kind of like a crazy ex) I would not hire them.
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There's delays in hiring all the time. My HR recommendation is to take a poo poo on his desk to establish dominance. You should have a decision very shortly afterwards.
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Parallelwoody posted:There's delays in hiring all the time. My HR recommendation is to take a poo poo on his desk to establish dominance. You should have a decision very shortly afterwards. The true reason for corporations favouring hot-desking is finally revealed
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