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Pirate Radar posted:Send them pictures of people and forests and mountains and so on but in every photo there’s somebody holding up a copy of Das Kapital. This is the kind of revolutionary thinking we need in these unprecedented times.
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"My god, these people literally worship capital, it's worse than we could ever have imagined."
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Right, now that I'm home and not phoneposting: I'd like to point out this exists: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincos_language. In fact, the fundamentals of this were worked out well before the GRW, and I'm sure MOSA linguists have some interesting further work on a dusty shelf somewhere. I believe even the fundamentals completed before the war should be enough to ask them whether their opinion on Mars is positive or negative.
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Kodos666 posted:Communication should occur in MOSA-conlang, but start by establishing the means of transferring pictures. Ehhh, first contact with aliens was not in the standing order that created our lingua astra, we should probably leave that for the conlangs made specifically for that purpose. Once we've established a baseline of communication however it could probably be the first 'human' language we teach them.
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They have no Sorium fuel for their ships.
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If they understood any of the language or data content that we dumped on them, we would have seen an expression of it. They responded to us in what is either their own language or their music, which means they likely understood the CONCEPTS of what we sent even if they don't know exactly what it means. I would recommend against any plan that involves just dumping more content into them. If we haven't yet, we should be building up a language that allows us to express large values more quickly, like base 2, then base 10 or base 16. Have we been / do we have evidence of more rapid data transmissions? It would help to be able to send more complex concepts more quickly. Send them Carbon, Hydrogen, Oxygen, Nitrogen, with the rough proportions of humans. We can give a symbol to the concept of Human, or at least Carbon Based Life. If we get beyond elements and into molecules, being able to communicate simple molecules like water would be good. Can we try to provide more abstract math concepts such as exponents and coordinates, distances like light seconds, then transmit the coordinates for Minerva, the earth, Mars, the sun, etc. Have an earth symbol when we reference earth, etc. Establish > and <, using the concepts of Sol is larger than Jupiter, Jupiter is larger than Neptune, Neptune is larger than earth, Earth is larger than Minerva or whatever. Then use the Human symbol to combine Human and Earth. Start giving concepts like Earth Human, Mars Human, Venus Human, Earth Human > Mars Human, rough population concept (Earth Human 1B, Mars Human 50k or whatever). Using this setup, I want us to at least be able to describe our solar system and where we are in it. STRONGLY consider not mentioning the aliens on ice or the human captives they had until we know more. It's also worth considering that the people we're talking to aren't necessarily going to be smart, with that being a relative term. As someone else mentioned, they might be a remnant base that no one has come for afterwards, so we might be talking to the equivalent of a sea going oil rig. The population there may be the equivalent of aging roughnecks, with a couple more clever entities left but no one who would make massive conceptual leaps. As such, we should try to keep it simple as much as possible until we can communicate better, and we know that it was actually Space Jimmy Buffett they sent us. E: winterwerefox posted:They have no Sorium fuel for their ships. Yeah, it's probably this. The craft they have are likely outside of their maintenance windows by decades, and may not have fuel. Or, they may simply feel that they have no place left to go with it. Double edit: While I'm sure everyone is hungry for information, I wouldn't rush questions about them beyond establishing things they know we know, like the position of Minerva. Volmarias fucked around with this message at 01:33 on Jun 1, 2022 |
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Actually, game mechanic wise, I know that in Aurora the game takes a while to establish contact, if we provide good ideas will you be speeding that up?
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Volmarias posted:Actually, game mechanic wise, I know that in Aurora the game takes a while to establish contact, if we provide good ideas will you be speeding that up? game mechanics: I try to make your roleplay choices have at least some tangible gameplay effect whenever possible; if your decision would logically have a certain effect, and it is possible to simulate that effect in the mechanics, I will do so. Yes, in other words.
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Send the TN elemental value of sorium, if such is possible.
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A BLOW TO THE HEAD FOR THE GRIDIRON: "SOFTNESS" SEEN THROUGH A HAZE IN DETROIT Outrage rocks the cities of America today, or so you are told if you listen to the loudspeakers that blare unending poison throughout the lands of the Weasel Agnew, may he reign in death. Horrific news from the land of the commies! Their vile American Gridiron League is declaring that football is "unsafe"! That a blow to the head can cause trauma, and that this should be countered! This, we are told, is softness, and will destroy the game of football. There are, perhaps, a few ancient relics such as myself who may remember that we were told this about padding, and non-leather helmets, and "roughing the passer". Yet football persists, conspicuously not dead. The True Federal Government of the United States may argue otherwise, but Franklin Field sits conspicuously empty, and the proud Eagle has not flown in Philadelphia nor the Colt run in Baltimore since before The Big One. Absence in mind and body. The same could be said for the players that are now decried as "soft". I was, of course, highly concerned with the proclamations -- even if they came from the mouth of the Weasel Agnew, may he reign in death, threats to football are threats to the spirit of America. A trip to Detroit was in order, where the Lions in their glistening new Silverdome watch as the Committee debates and the experts display slides and speak in dead monotones in stands set up on the playing field. You could have been forgiven for falling asleep; the danger of men who know their field too well is that it all becomes mundane to them. Nothing startles. A military observer posts the aftermath of a napalm strike and points out key successful hits as the audience loses their breakfast over melted children. Staying awake, however, risked the same lost steak and eggs if you paid attention. Shots of a healthy brain, cut in half. Then shots of Ralph Wenzel, the last great guard of the old Steelers, found dead in a McKees Rocks apartment with a gun in his hand with one bullet missing last year. His brain looked like a rotten cauliflower, yellowed and cracked. Holes where thinking should be. Testimony from Iron Mike Webster, the toughest man in Pittsburgh, shaking so hard on stage you can hear his chair rattle from the back row. Talking about how he can't hold down a job, keep an apartment. Can't think. Gaps in the mind. Iron Mike was on the field in Super Bowl 4, the Old Man of the Steel Curtain. I could give you a play-by-play of that game in my sleep. He can't remember it. (terrible thoughts run through the mind. trying to imagine things unimaginable, definitionally unthinkable. death. sounds like death. the body in agony and the mind barely there to know.) Beyond sobering to sit there and watch these men, these titans, reduced to shaking husks. Able to fight and claw and mudstomp any living thing on God's green earth with their bodies. But held prisoner by the rot and rattle of their own minds. The Red World Order finds it intolerable. Something, as they say, Must Be Done. What may come out of the other side of it may look unlike what we know. But no matter how much True American Patriots may scream about it, a choice is presented to them. It is the same choice we faced twenty-five years ago, and failed -- failed America with our answer. What suffering is our life worth? If this is what we see twenty-five years down the road, these ruins of human beings, are we watching football on the field, or gladiators fight to the death? Maybe an answer can be pulled from another world, as so many have already. It may take God to save the gridiron. May He do so. Raoul Duke Sports Desk Redeye Flight fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Jun 7, 2022 |
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Very good thompson, took me two reads to really get it all, so you know it's right.
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September 20, 1985 Fleet Officer Second Rank Emma Brzostek, wishes she wouldn't keep getting stuck with this job. When the Mars revelations were revealed to the world, she was the one who had to make the announcement. The higher-ups, having decided she was good at it, have now instructed her to do it again. At least it's not in front of a live audience of dignitaries this time. She can't decide if the hundred television cameras are better or worse. "Comrades and fellow citizens of Earth. I will get straight to the point. Eight days ago, the spacecraft CSV Karzelek, operating under the authority of the Ministry of Outer Space Affairs of the Communist Interplanetary on a planned two-year expedition to our solar system's eleventh planet, Minerva, established communications with alien life on the planet's seventh moon." A short summary of what we know follows, accompanied by slides. There isn't really much. The announcement stresses a few things - first, that there have been no hostile actions taken and that contact has so far been peaceful. Second, that attempts at communication have been slow, but are ongoing with some success. Third, that as of now we have no reason to believe that we are communicating with marooned humans. The broadcast goes out worldwide within hours. Now the whole world knows - not only are we not alone in the universe, we aren't even alone in the solar system. The reactions range from elation at finally meeting our fraternal brothers from the stars, to wary concern and uncertainty, to militant paranoia. It is the most talked about subject on every television news program, every pirate radio station operating out of every North American microstate, every Internetwork chat-room - it probably will be for weeks. Debates rage. September 21, 1985 Instructions are relayed to the Karzelek. For several years now, the Comintern's academicians, at the instruction of the People's Congress, have been working on developing a series of artificial 'conlangs' for use in the space program. The 'lingua astra', which was originally based on Esperanto but has by now evolved into a distinct thing, still has no legal status and is officially nothing more than an experiment, but it remains an active one, and there is a small but growing niche subculture of spacefarers and cosmonauts who attempt to speak it in day-to-day life; there have even been a few experiments with actually conducting spaceflight operations in the language, although never outside of a simulator yet. A universal space suit sign language has been the most tangible success of the program - millions of people use it daily on Luna or in Earth orbit, and 'spacer sign' has a life all its own now, separate from the committee that developed it. Neither of these will work for communicating with an alien race, of course; fortunately, this possibility was considered. In 1960, Dr. Hans Freudenthal, a German Jewish mathematician (and Holocaust survivor), published a book titled Lincos: Design of a Language for Cosmic Intercourse, Part 1. It described the framework for a very simple language designed with the intent that it be easily understandable by any intelligent life form, a universal language for extraterrestrial communications, a lingua cosmica. This framework has since been expanded and iterated on by Comintern scientists - scientists including Dr. Hans Freudenthal, who is still alive. The resulting language is untested, but the dictionary is fairly complete. You have actually already communicated the beginning of the dictionary, which consists of very basic mathematical symbols (+, -, =, <, >) and very basic equations. We will continue this effort, moving on to binary notation for numbers, multiplication, division, variables and constants, propositional theory, set theory, first-order logic, the concept of a question. Once binary encoding, the concept of a question, and the concept of an answer have been introduced to our shared lexicon, efforts at establishing a means of transmitting and receiving images will begin. We will continue to expand our shared dictionary, but we will also attempt to work out a standard for encoding and decoding simple greyscale bitmap images (color images are a bit too ambitious right now; we don't even have any means of communicating the concept of color yet). Once we have done that, we will, with any luck, learn what our new friends look like. September 22, 1985 The instructions sent will have been received today, and tomorrow we will learn the results. The waiting is both the best and the worst part - best, because the nearly 48-hour round trip time gives the teams plenty of time to consider their next statements and digest the responses sent back; worst, because it means there is a whole lot of downtime, during which there is nothing to do but argue. Earth Guard Command conducts operational readiness drills aboard every single one of its ships. The crews pass with flying colors, the equipment not so much. They'll fly and shoot, but these hastily-built ships, running on bleeding-edge technology and maintained by overworked MOSA repair crews in inadequate facilities, are plagued with mechanical issues. It doesn't exactly inspire confidence.   The orbital mining testbed CSV Nomad is completed and clears her slipway. The ship will spend a few weeks testing her systems and working up, before taking on a cargo of life support infrastructure, supplies, scientific instruments, and 1,000 volunteers from the NOMAD collective (10% of the ship's actual capacity; 10,000 people is just too many to gamble on an experiment), and departing for the asteroid belt. Her first destination will be the main-belt asteroid 43 Ariadne, whose sizable neutronium deposits will serve as an excellent test of the orbital mining and refining systems, and whose relatively large size will make for a suitable prototype for NOMAD's 'Appleseed' concept. September 23, 1985 The Karzelek confirms they have received the instructions, will carry them out, and await receipt of further instructions. Constant, regularly-scheduled updates will be sent back and forth, messages will be forwarded to the aliens, and their responses will be sent back for analysis. September 24, 1985 It's a slow process, and for now there is nothing new to report, beyond that it seems to be working. The Fraternal Order of Mars releases a public statement, read by the captain of the USS Cyclops. In it, they demand that MOSA prioritize determining conclusively if there are any humans being held in captivity on Minerva, and that, if so, they effect a rescue as soon as possible. September 27, 1985 In non-space news, the Comintern-sponsored Deep Sea Laboratory mission is deployed. The crown jewel of the year's oceanographic research programs, DSL is a crewed, stationary outpost on the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean, on the submerged Atlantis Massif. Over eight hundred meters below the surface of the ocean, in the pitch black of the abyss, scientists in their state of the art outpost, which makes extensive use of TNEs in its design and is heavily based on space colonization infrastructure, will study the least-explored and least-understood place on Earth. The chosen location is near a large field of active hydrothermal vents dubbed the 'Lost City', which will be the main target of study. A few hundred miles to the west, Hurricane Gloria, a major hurricane, makes landfall on the East Coast of the former United States, with the most serious initial impact felt in the Outer Banks region of the Carolinas, which receives heavy rain, wind, and moderate coastal flooding. The unexpectedly fast-moving hurricane quickly sweeps past the region, heading north and east. Later that day, the storm makes a second, much worse, landfall on Long Island. The Five Nations, and New England, endure sustained winds of over 100 mph and heavy rainfall. Coastal flooding is relatively minor due to the storm's fast speed and its arrival at low tide. The most significant impacts are widespread power and water outages. By the end of the day, the remnants of the storm have moved away to the north and east, back out to sea. September 28, 1985 The 'conversations' between the Krusenstern and the Minervans are not ongoing 24/7. The ship keeps rotating shifts 24/7, of course, and someone is present just in case they do talk all the time, but our friends regularly cease communication for as long as ten hours at a time. Maybe they're sleeping, or maybe they're working out what to say next. One interesting side effect of this is that it has led to evolution in our 'shared language', evolution that our friends are taking an active role in. Namely, they are consistently using a certain sequence at the beginning and end of every message. They have taught us words now, words meaning 'begin message' and 'end message'. We will use them in the future, and add them to our shared dictionary. September 31, 1985 The mathematical concepts we are communicating are growing steadily more complex. We believe we will soon be ready to introduce the concept of an interrogative, and an answer, to the conversation. October 3, 1985 An illegal high-powered radio transmission is broadcast in the direction of Minerva by an avant-garde art collective in France, consisting of 'industrial ambient' music and encoded pictograms of untranslated symbols found on surfaces inside the Roswell spacecraft. Fortunately, Minerva is very far away, and it's unlikely the transmission will actually be detectable. Hopefully the same will be true for the next time someone tries to pull something like that. There will almost certainly be a next time. October 8, 1985 The crew of the Krusenstern are having one hell of a time. At times their job is painfully boring, at times terrifyingly anxious, and always difficult. Although they have direction from Earth, they are too far away for their mission to actually be run from Earth; when the time come for split-second decisions to be made, they are on their own, and in a very real sense, Ship Commander LostCosmonaut are the ones actually in charge of Earth's first contact efforts. They are the ones who, yesterday, October 7th, were poring over the latest messages and trying to interpret them. quote:1 + 1 = 2 "That's our interrogative sequence there at the end. They're asking a question." The person speaking is a sensor operator, not the ship's linguist, but everyone is getting involved by now. They send back '3' and the sequence they are attempting to teach means 'answer'. After a few hours it becomes clear the aliens understand. October 9, 1985 'End interrogative' - i.e. a question mark, a sequence meaning 'the preceding sequence was a question' - is slightly modified by the aliens to become a sequence that we identify as 'beginning interrogative', i.e. 'the following sentence will be a question'. Affirmative/good and negative/bad have been introduced. We can now ask basic yes/no questions, although what we can ask is still limited mostly to math problems and very basic questions about matter (e.g. we could ask something like '2 x 3 = ?' or 'what is x in this simple equation?' or 'carbon, yes/no?'). It is still incredible progress, and it makes it clear the aliens are trying as actively to communicate with us as we are with them. October 10, 1985 Another pressing issue, related to but not immediately relevant to the first contact operation, is brought to the attention of the People's Congress. You have a yard tooled to build a Barsoom-class troop transport, which can carry an archaeology team to Cydonia. If you build it from scratch, it will not be ready until November of next year. However, if you convert one of your existing Berowra-class freighters into a Barsoom, it will cost less than half what the new build would, and be ready in March instead of November. Should we convert, or build new? Normally such questions would wait until the end of the year, but the urgency of the current situation warrants an immediate response.
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I think we should convert a ship. Getting transports has, mars aside, taken on new urgency.
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I’m in favor of converting one, to get the Mars work started as soon as possible. If we feel like the loss of freight capacity hurts we can lay down another freighter at the same time.
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Pirate Radar posted:I’m in favor of converting one, to get the Mars work started as soon as possible. If we feel like the loss of freight capacity hurts we can lay down another freighter at the same time. This
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Aye, Lay down a replacement freighter haul and convert one currently active.
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Pirate Radar posted:I’m in favor of converting one, to get the Mars work started as soon as possible. If we feel like the loss of freight capacity hurts we can lay down another freighter at the same time. 100% this.
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Kitfox88 posted:Aye, Lay down a replacement freighter haul and convert one currently active. I support this action, yeah. We should honestly probably beef up the freighter fleet size if we can support it right now, since ideally we're going to start expanding Mars.
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Given the unknowns involved, some degree of haste seems wise. Convert
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Given that we have unanimous consensus so far I'm just going to call it in favor of converting; we will begin work on the freighter Cottage Point immediately and lay down a replacement freighter in the remaining available slipway.
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Cottage point? More like cottage cheese. Anyway, we should work out what we're saying to the aliens.
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Is there some way we could send a mathematical representation of our solar system Arecibo message-style, maybe in a way that indicated they could send back a comparable one depicting their home system and its arrangement?
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Presumably that sort of stuff is on the docket as we get further along in the communication department
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NETENCARTA - The Internetwork Knowledge Database of the Common Man Original development by Redmond Computing Collective, Redmond, CWC The American Gridiron Football League, also known as the AGL (to differentiate it from the pre-war AFL) is an international sporting league under the jurisdiction of the Cominterplan Committee for Sports and Athletics (ComSporAth), charged with operating professional gridiron football in North and Central America. Following the Comintern's much-celebrated revival of the Super Bowl in 1979, extended international diplomatic efforts began to resurrect many North American sports teams in the interest of promoting continental peace, and bringing the former US nations closer through friendly competition. The AGL was formally founded in 1981, after two years of informal efforts. Due to the geopolitical situation in North America, a large number of former NFL and AFL teams cannot or do not play in the AGL -- some have nearly or completely ceased to exist, while others are restricted by political realities. The current number stands at 24, divided into the Star Conference and Century Conference, and into 6 total divisions. Compared to the pre-War NFL and AFL, the AGL has by necessity been highly flexible with teams' positions in conferences and divisions, as the American physical situation means divisions need to be as tightly geographically packed as possible. == The Socialist Aid Program == When the Socialist Aid Program was being rolled out in early 1979, the People's Republic of California -- viewed as the closest thing the Cominterplan had to a surviving continuation of American society -- was consulted on possible ways to gain the universal trust of a population now comprehensively divided and bitterly so even before the country's collapse, which would be predisposed to be suspicious or even hostile of socialist efforts. One of the proposals immediately seemed to have legs -- sports. Many of the American states had significant sporting legacies throughout their structure, such as the Five Nations' 1st "Pinstripes" Infantry Division (formerly the New York Yankees baseball team), and even after the collapse of the states that had fostered them, these ties remained strong. Baseball and gridiron football were settled on as the options for initial revival due to their popularity and their unquestionably American nature; however, while baseball was the more established sport and very popular, gridiron football was seen as the more exciting spectacle compared to the more strategic and tension-based baseball, and thus more likely to secure attention. While both sports were being revived in tandem, football would take the first step back into life. Various American states, mostly Comintern ones, were roped in to resurrect various franchises from the pages of history. The project being seen as reviving old sports teams was crucial to its success, in order to draw on past positive association. The final list consisted of the following: -From California, the four pre-War teams: the San Francisco 49ers, Oakland Raiders, Los Angeles Rams, and San Diego Chargers. -From the Democratic Republic of Minnesota, the Minnesota Vikings -From the Chicago Free State, the Chicago Bears -From the Detroit Commune, the Detroit Lions -From the Five Nations, the New York Jets -From New Afrika, the Atlanta Falcons In addition, there were three non-Comintern participants, all of which were surprise additions (though two of them were known well before proceedings started as they had to request SAP help to get off the ground). -From the National Reconstruction Committee's United States of America, the New Orleans Saints -From the Lakeshore Cooperative Defense Pact, the Green Bay Packers -From the Allegheny Valley Defense Authority, the Pittsburgh Steelers The NRC, otherwise typically locked in gridlock, acted immediately upon word of New Afrika reviving the Atlanta Falcons leaking to the world, with the Governor of Louisiana declaring that "we cannot in good conscience allow the Falcons to exist unchallenged". The LCDP and AVDA both had their origins in part or in total in their respective football teams' organizations, and considered participating a point of intense regional pride. == Super Bowl IV and Aftermath == With only 12 teams to work with, the 1979 season was effectively an extra-long playoffs session and produced what under other circumstances would have been considered very sloppy play. This included multiple games breaking out into fistfights, the Minnesota Vikings' running-back getting turned around and scoring on the wrong end zone (knocking the Vikings out of the running), and the New York Jets ending even the shortened season with their entire first-string and most of their second-string roster injured. Ultimately, however, Super Bowl IV commenced in the Rose Bowl stadium in California on January 20, 1980. The home team, the Los Angeles Rams, had won the California Division relatively comfortably and were strong favorites. The Pittsburgh Steelers were a surprising challenger, however -- the Allegheny Valley Defense Authority had been formed from all of Pittsburgh's major sports teams taking the reins of administration in the area and had one of the strongest organized sports scenes among American successor states. As such, it was less of a surprise -- though still a surprise -- when the Steelers defeated the Rams 34-31 in overtime, on the back of their vaunted Steel Curtain defense and their star receiver Abraham Williams. Super Bowl IV was initially intended to simply be a one-off spectacle and was a considerable expense to the SAP program. However, it proved extremely popular. As a newswire from the time reported, Mister Bates posted:January 20, 1980 Winning the championship -- something the original Steelers had never managed -- caused a massive swell in Comintern support in the AVDA, and a smaller surge in the LCDP's Wisconsin communities, greatly enabling Comintern diplomatic efforts in those areas. While expensive, thus, the original assessment had been correct -- sports were an excellent way to the American heart. This concept was reinforced when the baseball American Series that October was received with even greater enthusiasm, partly because the PBL had been given longer to prepare. As such, the ad-hoc football operations of the 1979 "season" were given authorization to continue by ComSporAth, eventually being organized after Super Bowl V (won by the Rams this time) as the American Gridiron Football League, or AGL. == Current Member Teams of the AGL == As of August 1985, the AGL consists of 24 teams organized into two conferences, the Star and Century conferences, and six divisions. These teams are spread across 18 countries both in and outside of the Cominterplan, though the unofficial yet obvious objective of the AGL is to have all of its members in the Cominterplan eventually. STAR CONFERENCE EAST / SCE Boston Patriots [NEC] | "Resumed play", 1985 | Foxboro Stadium, Foxborough, MA Buffalo Bills [NEC] | "Resumed play", 1985 | War Memorial Stadium, Buffalo, NI New York Jets [FNM] | Founding member, 1979 | Hudson Terminal Stadium, Manhattan, NY Carolina Cardinals [TAR] | "New" franchise, founded 1984 (see note) | Carolina Stadium, Columbia, SC STAR CONFERENCE CENTRAL / SCC Green Bay Packers [IND] | Founding member, 1979 | Lambeau Field, Green Bay, WI Chicago Bears [FCC] | Founding member, 1979 | Soldier Field, Chicago, IL Detroit Lions [DET] | Founding member, 1979 | Silverdome, Detroit, MI Minnesota Vikings [DRM] | Founding member, 1979 | Metropolitan Stadium, Minneapolis, MN STAR CONFERENCE WEST / SCW Seattle Evergreens [CAS] | New franchise, founded 1982 | SeaDome, Seattle, WA Oakland Raiders [CAL] | Founding member, 1979 | Oakland Coliseum, Oakland, CA San Diego Chargers [CAL] | Founding member, 1979 | San Diego Stadium, San Diego, CA Arizona Coyotes [MEX] | New franchise, founded 1983 | Sun Devil Stadium, Phoenix, AZ CENTURY CONFERENCE EAST / CCE Atlanta Falcons [NAF] | Founding member, 1979 | Atlanta Stadium, Atlanta, GA New Orleans Saints [NRC] | Founding member, 1979 | Louisiana Superdome, New Orleans, LA Houston Oilers [TEX] | Re-established, 1981 | Astrodome, Houston, TX Mexico City Jaguars [MEX] | New franchise, founded 1982 | Estadio Azteca, Mexico City, DF CENTURY CONFERENCE CENTRAL / CCC Pittsburgh Steelers [IND] | Founding member, 1979 | Forbes Field, Pittsburgh, PA Cleveland Browns [BRC] | Re-established, 1981 | Cleveland Municipal Stadium, Cleveland, OH New York Giants [FNM] | Re-established, 1981 | St. George Stadium, Staten Island, NY Indiana Aviators [FCC] | New franchise, founded 1984 | Notre Dame Stadium, Notre Dame, IN CENTURY CONFERENCE WEST / CCW San Francisco 49ers [CAL] | Founding member, 1979 | Candlestick Park, San Francisco, CA Los Angeles Rams [CAL] | Founding member, 1979 | Los Angeles Coliseum, Los Angeles, CA Sequoyah Outriders [SQY] | "Founded" 1984 | Oklahoma Memorial Stadium, Norman, OK Dallas Cowboys [TEX] | Re-established, 1981 | Cotton Bowl Stadium, Dallas, TX === Notes === AGL teams play on fields that vary wildly in age, condition, and capability. Only five of them are postwar construction; only seven are dedicated gridiron football facilities. Of the rest, five are dedicated multipurpose stadiums, five are baseball fields, five are built for college-level football, one is a general-purpose arena, and one is a soccer football stadium. For some teams, such as the Green Bay Packers, their field's age and legacy is a point of pride. Others, such as the Buffalo Bills and Pittsburgh Steelers, are all but desperate to get new facilities built. Even without capitalist profit-mongering cranking up costs, modern sporting facilities are expensive luxuries, however, and ComSporAth has a global budget to try and pry new arenas, parks, and fields out of. As a result, change comes slowly, though some of the current crop have become so dated or neglected as to be marked as emergency priority for the Ministry of Infrastructure (MinInf). The pre-War Green Bay Packers franchise formed the foundation for what would become the Lakeshore Cooperative Defense Pact, a minor and extremely loose Wisconsin polity stretching from Milwaukee to the Michigan Upper Peninsula. The LCDP moved heaven and earth to resurrect the team when the Comintern began organizing new games, as it appears to be a fervent opinion in Wisconsin that a gridiron football league without the Packers is a complete sham. The team's reincarnation and success has been a significant stabilizing factor in the area. Like the Packers, the Pittsburgh Steelers organization formed part of the foundation for the Allegheny Valley Defense Authority, a notorious if effective community government which still runs Pittsburgh and its environs today. The AVDA maintained an extremely robust sports league in the area, allowing it to revive the Steelers in relatively strong form for the initial Super Bowl IV "test", and winning that trophy immediately made the AVDA a much closer Comintern associate. The Sequoyah Outriders have their origins in the University of Oklahoma football team, which was "worked up" to "professional" level in 1983 to represent Sequoyah on an international scale. Other former college teams have since considered doing the same due to the perpetually shaky nature of the surviving college leagues, but no others have yet done so. The Dallas Cowboys and Houston Oilers were re-established as part of ongoing diplomatic efforts between the Cominterplan and the Republic of Texas, and are rare examples of privately owned sports teams in the AGL. This is, however, mostly a legal contrivance for the Texans' appearances; AGL regulations have effectively ensured both the Cowboys and Oilers are Republic government operations and operate on the same level as the other teams. The Buffalo Bills and Boston Patriots continued to exist in New England despite the collapse of the United States, maintained largely by the government for various purposes and taking up roles as rallying poles for the "West" and "East" of the country. Both teams fell into severe decline alongside New England itself following the 1978 Great Blizzard. They were announced as "resuming play" with the AGL for the 1985 season, as part of ongoing diplomatic and economic assistance efforts between New England and the Cominterplan. The Mexico City Jaguars are the first AGL team to be founded and based outside of a former U.S. territory, playing out of Mexico's legendary Estadio Azteca in Mexico City. As the highest stadium in the AGL, Estadio Azteca is considered a brutal home field advantage, and the Jaguars have a significantly better win record at home (though they have yet to make it to the Super Bowl). The Carolina Cardinals use the name, imagery, and claim the history of the oldest gridiron football club in the NFL, which was in St. Louis prior to the collapse of the United States. The St. Louis team had been picked up by the U.S. Government-in-Exile and turned into the "Army" football team, leaving the Cardinals name in disuse. The AGL applying it to the new Carolina franchise when the older one is technically still extant has caused some controversy, and has done nothing to help with the perception of the Comintern in St. Louis itself, even if the St. Louis team has not played in the city or for the city in years. The situation has been set nevertheless, and the AGL has promised that should St. Louis become part of its purview, it will be granted a truly St. Louis team posthaste. == Super Bowl Championship History == [Winners are marked in bold.] Super Bowl I, 1966 season: Green Bay Packers vs. Kansas City Chiefs Super Bowl II, 1967 season: Green Bay Packers vs. Oakland Raiders Super Bowl III, 1968 season: Baltimore Colts vs. New York Jets = Play halted from 1969 to 1978 = Super Bowl IV, 1979 season: Pittsburgh Steelers vs. Los Angeles Rams [division structure not yet solidified] Super Bowl V, 1980 season: Green Bay Packers vs. Los Angeles Rams [division structure not yet solidified] Super Bowl VI, 1981 season: Oakland Raiders vs. Dallas Cowboys Super Bowl VII, 1982 season: Oakland Raiders vs. Houston Oilers Super Bowl VIII, 1983 season: Minnesota Vikings vs. San Francisco 49ers Super Bowl IX, 1984 season: Oakland Raiders vs. Dallas Cowboys Super Bowl X, 1985 season: Yet to be played == Future Planning == A considerable number of former gridiron football franchises did exist or still do exist in cities and polities unfriendly to the Cominterplan and thus the AGL. Only two have continued operation as a football franchise unbroken -- the St. Louis Football Cardinals and the Miami Dolphins, currently serving as the "Army" and "Navy" football teams for the U.S. Government in Exile. In addition, six former NFL and AFL teams have not yet been restored -- the Philadelphia Eagles, Baltimore Colts, Washington Redskins, Denver Broncos, Kansas City Chiefs, and Cincinnati Bengals, though the last existed effectively in name only when the United States disintegrated. The AGL has made no secret of its ambitions to restore gridiron football to as close to its old breadth as possible, and indeed beyond the American continent, some day. The AGL plans have emphasized trying to restore old teams for the moment, due to pre-existing infrastructure and potential fanbases that would not exist outside of North America. Restoring all the prior teams would effectively add two new divisions to the league, almost certainly requiring a new rebalance, along with an almost equally certain renaming of the Washington and Kansas City teams and the development of a new identity for the St. Louis team. It would, of course, also require that the political difficulties in North America no longer be a problem. Further expansion has been considered for almost every major surviving urban center on the American continent. == See also: == -Professional Baseball League -European Hockey Superleague -Football Federation of the Socialist Nations -Proposed North American professional hockey league -Hockey in Canada -Nippon Professional Baseball -Association football in Brazil -Sports on the Moon Redeye Flight fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Jul 11, 2022 |
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With every sports-related post this LP is inching closer and closer to doing the ByzLP thing and playing OOTP Baseball alongside Aurora.
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God dammit, those 63 pages went by fast. This a helluva thread.
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October 11, 1985 The Cottage Point pulls into her slipway , and workers immediately begin swarming over the ship, opening up the cargo holds and preparing the way for the conversion. On Earth, a hundred different factories receive orders for components, that will be sent elsewhere to be assembled into more complex components, that will be sent elsewhere to be assembled into modules to be sent into orbit. Most of the actual work of building a spacecraft still happens down here. October 15, 1985 Our shared vocabulary with the aliens now includes 'emphasis/larger/greater/more' and 'deemphasis/smaller/lesser/fewer', and we are working on additional adjectives and modifiers. At this point, things have progressed enough that we feel comfortable attempting a slightly more complex message - namely, sending an image. We prepare a simple, greyscale bitmap image, 320 by 240 pixels, of a pair of standing human figures. We will attempt to communicate that the following data should be interpreted visually, and the shape in which they should be arranged, and the order in which they should be printed. We will indicate it is an image of us, and that it is a view from the front. We will then attempt to ask them to send one of their own. We will also make a statement, and pose a question: We are from the third planet of this system. Where are you from? October 17, 1985 WE ARE FROM EARTH, we said yesterday, or as close to it as we could approximate - in practice it's more like US LOCATED THIRD PLANET. It was followed up with WHERE ARE YOU FROM? ARE YOU FROM MARS? - again, in practice it was more like IF US LOCATED THIRD PLANET, WHERE YOU LOCATED? ARE LOCATED FOURTH PLANET?, but close enough. FOURTH PLANET NO, came the response. EMPHASIS: FOURTH PLANET VERY NO. WE LOCATED ZERO/NULL. LOCATED NOT SUN. YOU MOVE TOWARDS FOURTH PLANET? The Krusenstern's linguist assumed they were asking if we had been or were planning on going to Mars, and when we responded in the affirmative, they responded immediately. FOURTH PLANET NOT-US NOT-YOU, VERY NEGATIVE/BAD. NEED COMMUNICATE THING CANNOT. NEED WORD. CONTINUE ADD WORD. The assumption is that they're saying we need more words before they can communicate what they're trying to say, and we indicate that we understand and concur. We then attempt to explain our picture. They indicate they do not understand and ask for a repeat of the instructions, which is the most lengthy and complex message we have ever sent. They ask for a pause and indicate they will contact us to begin again - 'don't call us, we'll call you', essentially. October 18, 1985 WE UNDERSTAND PREVIOUS MESSAGE NOW. YOU SEND. WE WILL SEND AFTER. The Krusenstern then proceeded to do just that. The image they received yesterday has arrived and been processed. It is in the same 320x240 resolution as ours, and also in greyscale - we have still not quite gotten to the point where we're communicating color yet. Communicating RGB values should be fairly simple, the problem is that we don't know what spectrum they see in or what colors they perceive. It takes a while for the team at Mission Control - or the academics at a hundred institutions around the world, squinting at the image on CRTs or fax printouts - to work out what exactly they're looking at, at this low resolution. The entities pictured are most definitely not Roswells. The two beings look almost like jellyfish. They look a lot like this, actually:  The number of sentient species that are or have recently been in our solar system just keeps increasing, it's starting to feel a bit crowded in here. October 20, 1985 Survey teams in the Antarctic, aided by the geosurvey ships in orbit, chart out an enormous lake of liquid fresh water located thousands of meters below the surface of the ice sheet. It is the largest such lake ever discovered. Debate immediately begins over whether we should drill down to it to study it, or leave it untouched for fear of contaminating any potential ecosystem found there. The debate - on both sides - is heavily influenced by the idea of subglacial lakes on Earth as analogues for the liquid-water oceans beneath the crust of outer-system moons like Europa. October 25, 1985 We are now sending and receiving at least one image per day, in addition to words. We have sent pictures of fauna, and flora, and art, and simple technological objects, and attempted to explain what each was; we have received the same. A growing catalogue of grainy, black-and-white images captivates the imagination. Dense beds of fan-like plant-analogues veined in intricate patterns. Fields of impossibly tall and thin stalks. Animals that look almost like great winged fish gliding through the air. What looks to be a bladed implement, with a grip shaped for an alien hand - and other objects we have yet to positively identify, maybe tools, weapons, musical instruments, art, we don't know yet, except that they were significant to our new friends. As we receive pictures we ask questions, and answer theirs. October 31, 1985  Interkosmos Academy, which was originally established as a cosmonaut training center for the Ministry of Outer Space Affairs, has in only a few short years grown into one of the most important academic institutions on planet Earth. Baikonur is still the primary spaceport on the planet, but it is rapidly becoming a spaceport second, and a university first. Programs ranging from advanced Trans-Newtonian physics and chemistry to space medicine and the sociology of space habitats can be found here. Academician Nadia Konovalova, the academy commandant, is an old-school rocketeer, though, and the pride and joy of the academy are still the steely-eyed missile men and women it produces for the space program. Most of them end up in relatively peaceful pursuits, but the commandant herself has other priorities. She remembers watching the shuttle streak off into the sky, chased by state of the art and oh-so-inadequate missiles. She remembers thinking, for just a moment, that it was all over, that humanity had finally killed itself. She has since dedicated her free time to improving Soviet surface-to-air missile designs. She and her team iterate and modify and experiment and test and test and test again. She's getting very, very good at it. Mister Bates fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Jun 18, 2022 |
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...Well, this was unexpected. They're not roswells.. and they don't like them at all.
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Perhaps the Martians were revisionists 
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They seem nice enough. I wonder what they're even doing out there? It seems like a poor place to study humans from after all so I doubt it's that.
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Rubix Squid posted:They seem nice enough. I wonder what they're even doing out there? It seems like a poor place to study humans from after all so I doubt it's that. Prisoners? Hostages? Former indentured servants that were forgotten by their masters like the Spathi from Star Control II?
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