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HD DAD posted:Is it just me or is this the second or third time we’ve seen La’an being a kleptomaniac and secretly taking things during searches. tbf, you never know what you might need to combine with other things to solve a puzzle later.
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I thought it was decent! I liked the La'an/Uhura scenes and I think the device of having Uhura shadow the bridge crew is a great idea and has so far been a great way to show off different characters and get a sense of what everyone does on the ship. As for the A plot, I think they did a pretty good job of adapting Omelas. I liked how they showed that the society had dissenters, made it seem like more of a real place than the planet-of-silly-hats stuff in TOS or some TNG. My only real gripe is the final scene with Pike and his lady love: he should have either responded to her accusation about the Federation or it should have been made explicitly about the Prime Directive. Her condemnation of the Federation felt pretty weak, given they don't sacrifice children and poverty is eliminated. Still, a pretty solid episode that I enjoyed watching. Not great, but pretty good Star Trek. 7/10. If this is what average SNW continues to looks like, I think the show could go down as one of the greats.
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Jun 9, 2022 21:44
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FishFood posted:I thought it was decent! I liked the La'an/Uhura scenes and I think the device of having Uhura shadow the bridge crew is a great idea and has so far been a great way to show off different characters and get a sense of what everyone does on the ship. I'm choosing to interpret Pike not saying anything to counter the wacko child sacrifice lady's bullshit strawman argument as him just being so consumed with indignant, horrified rage that he decided the better option was to just keep his mouth shut and get the hell out of there lest he counter the argument with a string of enraged obscenities that would have made Gilbert Gottfried's jaw drop.
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Jun 9, 2022 21:50
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nine-gear crow posted:I'm choosing to interpret Pike not saying anything to counter the wacko child sacrifice lady's bullshit strawman argument as him just being so consumed with indignant, horrified rage that he decided the better option was to just keep his mouth shut and get the hell out of there lest he counter the argument with a string of enraged obscenities that would have made Gilbert Gottfried's jaw drop. Yeah, this was my interpretation as well. He was so horrified and disgusted at everything that he just went “gently caress this, nothing to say, I’m out”.
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Jun 9, 2022 21:54
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HD DAD posted:Yeah, this was my interpretation as well. He was so horrified and disgusted at everything that he just went “gently caress this, nothing to say, I’m out”. Also added the horror of someone you love or enamored with being a monster.
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Jun 9, 2022 21:58
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nine-gear crow posted:I'm choosing to interpret Pike not saying anything to counter the wacko child sacrifice lady's bullshit strawman argument as him just being so consumed with indignant, horrified rage that he decided the better option was to just keep his mouth shut and get the hell out of there lest he counter the argument with a string of enraged obscenities that would have made Gilbert Gottfried's jaw drop. I like this reading. Still think the scene could have been tweaked a bit but I'll take it. On another note, I showed the first two episodes to my parents and so far they like SNW a lot! They've never been big Trek fans but would watch whatever was on in the 90s and my dad watched TOS as a kid. He said SNW was "calming" which I think is high praise for Trek.
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Jun 9, 2022 21:59
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FishFood posted:I like this reading. Still think the scene could have been tweaked a bit but I'll take it. My mother is a big Trek fan and TOS is sacred to her. We talk often about the Modern Trek shows and she's rather digging SNW. She hates Pike's hair though, which is just... I had no counter argument for that, I was dumbstruck. She really liked season 1 of Picard, but season 2 was a bridge too far for her. She said to me once basically "I'm easy going, I can enjoy anything that has Star Trek in the title because it's Star Trek, but that... was awful."
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Jun 9, 2022 22:08
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the ones who warp away from omelas
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Jun 9, 2022 22:22
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That episode was fine. Felt like an okay take on a classic Trek style plot. Wasn't amazing, but it also didn't do anything to ruin the show. Honestly if this is the low point then SNW could end up being the best live action Star Trek. Edit: I want to say also that they could go back and revisit this planet and it's colony some time in the future and resolve things in a more satisfying way. I don't know that they will, but so far the balance of tying up loose ends hasn't been too bad. I also though they would forget about the transporter buffer daughter. TomR fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Jun 9, 2022 |
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Jun 9, 2022 23:03
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Mooseontheloose posted:It's interesting because we see a bunch of alien races who just don't quite get the Federation. The Klingon's obviously think humans can't fight, the Ferangi just don't get how the federation works if not only for self interest, and this race clearly thinks that the Federation just is SUPER accepting of all traditions and won't judge you for your practices because of their non-interference policy. I like that the writers seem to understand TOS era was a lot more wild westy in terms of thr galaxy. By TNG times the Federation had mostly explored the Alpha and Beta quadrants and knew all the races.
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All this talk of wanting to revisit this world, and the astroid god.... Dear Alex Kurtzman, Please end this season with Spock making a log entry to Michael Burnham, saying they found something on some world they visited that could help discovery in the future. Last thing we see is someone giving Michael Burnham the log entries from the Enterprise, saying the log is fragmented or corrupted, but the message is clearly to her... Then spend ALL of discovery season whatever visiting the same worlds Enterprise did this season. Please Alex, this would be the best star trek. Love, Some goon.
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Jun 9, 2022 23:37
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Charity Porno posted:I like that the writers seem to understand TOS era was a lot more wild westy in terms of thr galaxy. By TNG times the Federation had mostly explored the Alpha and Beta quadrants and knew all the races. Yes but even in the TNG era the Klingons and other races still don't quite get it (to sometimes funny degree too). How many times did a Klingon say these humans are weak and don't know how how to fight and a federation officer can't even handle what we do. OH NO WE GOT BEAT BY HUMANS. Also to go back a bit what's frustrating about Picard is that there was soooo much potential in either season squandered by meandering or dropping things out of nowhere. Picard Season 1 could of said some really interesting things about what a Federation who has become more isolationist or how does one reconcile their love of principles of their nation but their institutions are slow to change. Or how do we integrate old enemies into our society, or something with the Borg/Android new planet. It's no shock that the best episodes of Picard were the ones that actually acknowledge some of the premises.
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Jun 9, 2022 23:38
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This might seem a weird question but - how do they know Noonien-singh well enough to be able to all predict her lines when training them for security? She's just as new as Uhura! Also "the smallest touch will set off auto destruct on some klingon ships" but walking on it is fine? Yea I know they're both super minor but they felt weird. I liked seeing Lindy Booth though! Blast from the 90s past - she was the secretary in the show Relic Hunter and I've barely seen her in anything since.
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Jun 9, 2022 23:53
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La'an is a bridge officer, and it's likely in meetings with them, socializing with them, whatever. Uhura's just a cadet.
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Jun 10, 2022 00:01
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High hair. Also, not the best but appreciate the morality play. Felt it could have had a few more minutes at the end. Show needs 16 more episodes per season.
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Jun 10, 2022 00:03
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killer crane posted:La'an is a bridge officer, and it's likely in meetings with them, socializing with them, whatever. Uhura's just a cadet. It just doesn't feel like it's long enough. And also Uhura socialises with them as a member of the bridge crew. La'an is just too NEW for me - like these are the sorta jokes you're making after you've seen her do this thing to hundreds of people
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Jun 10, 2022 00:05
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Taear posted:
She also doomed the party in Dawn of the Dead.
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nine-gear crow posted:She said to me once basically "I'm easy going, I can enjoy anything that has Star Trek in the title because it's Star Trek, but that... was awful." I'm basically the same way. Picard Season 2 is the worst of NuTrek and the only season of Trek TV I've downright disliked.
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Mooseontheloose posted:She also doomed the party in Dawn of the Dead. She did! Relic Hunter is definitely my biggest thought for her though - back in 1998 they pushed it so much She has quite a range though!
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Taear posted:It just doesn't feel like it's long enough. And also Uhura socialises with them as a member of the bridge crew. I thought that was the implication, she’s started putting them all through these drills, even the Captain, so it’s fresh to all of them. I’m assuming it’s been some months since ep 1.
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Blamestorm posted:I thought that was the implication, she’s started putting them all through these drills, even the Captain, so it’s fresh to all of them. I’m assuming it’s been some months since ep 1. It felt like a long term thing that's all. Like I say it's not a big deal, just a bit weird. A little like Number 1's reveal in the second episode - it feels like it needed more time to work. Anyway as for the rest of the episode Yea I didn't really like this one. Just for small things. Why would your rebels gently caress off to an L class planet when there's so many M class ones? Hell why would YOU not move to a proper planet? I know it's that philosophical question of "is it okay to make one child suffer to save millions" but it just feels strange when you've got so many worlds to live on! And why was the kid in space? I feel like it must have been mentioned but I don't remember it. Why leave the planet?
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Taear posted:And why was the kid in space? I feel like it must have been mentioned but I don't remember it. Why leave the planet? the kid lived on the moon for his education iirc
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Blamestorm posted:I thought that was the implication, she’s started putting them all through these drills, even the Captain, so it’s fresh to all of them. I’m assuming it’s been some months since ep 1. This is my take, and it's also possible that she's imitating her own Security mentor, so these tropes might be bigger than just her specifically. I do like how we get about one line out of Kirk every other episode and he's a total goon. The episode felt a bit too much like a bad Babylon 5 one-off for me, and yeah specifically that one just because it ends with the kid dying. I've been watching this with my 6 year old, but after reading a spoiler I decided to screen this one by myself first. This might be the first episode I have to skip for him because uh that ending is probably not great for a six year old to see.
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Taear posted:This might seem a weird question but - how do they know Noonien-singh well enough to be able to all predict her lines when training them for security? Excellent question. Those lines should have belonged to Una, who knows La'an.
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Taear posted:It felt like a long term thing that's all. Like I say it's not a big deal, just a bit weird. A little like Number 1's reveal in the second episode - it feels like it needed more time to work. Given all the monstrous poo poo we see on our own planet "just because" it wouldn't surprise me at all to see a planet where people are perfectly happy to sacrifice someone else's kid every few years, especially if they never have to confront it directly. Not everyone on the planet was in the Ascension Chamber after all. It isn't until it's your kid that gets picked that you realize how absolutely hosed up the whole thing is, which is what prompted his father to joining the rebels. My guess is that the colony planet is just close enough that they can continue to try and resist and recruit more members, but with warp travel I guess I don't know how much proximity really matters. It could also just be an absolute rejection of the lifestyle. They're basically self-flagellating for their prior decadence and sins.
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Atlas Hugged posted:This is my take, and it's also possible that she's imitating her own Security mentor, so these tropes might be bigger than just her specifically. I do like how we get about one line out of Kirk every other episode and he's a total goon. I felt a bit of the Babylon 5-ness, but that helped the episode I thought. Also, if the remake of B5 ever happens, SNW cast fits the human roles pretty well.
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Super Deuce posted:I felt a bit of the Babylon 5-ness, but that helped the episode I thought. Also, if the remake of B5 ever happens, SNW cast fits the human roles pretty well. As much as I love B5, that episode is season 1.
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Ok it seems pretty unbelievable that the Enterprise would let a warship get close enough to transport people off the ship without the Captain even knowing about it. This is like game of thrones season 8 writing. Characters can't see things that aren't on camera.
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Hellblazer187 posted:I'm basically the same way. Picard Season 2 is the worst of NuTrek and the only season of Trek TV I've downright disliked. I'm at the point with it now where I don't consider it the worst season of Star Trek I've ever watched because I don't even consider it a season of Star Trek anymore. It was a tax write off disguised at 10 episodes of sort-of science fiction television. It's fallen right off the metric for me.
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Super Deuce posted:Show needs 16 more episodes per season. This is where I'm at. I want more!
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Pastamania posted:The line is 'Can you say no child lives in squalor, while those who live in abundence looks away'?, which I took as meaning the Prime Directive. Which she's...right? She was in the throws of infatuation and wanted him to stay. In order to stay he would have to live as one of them. Being one of them means honouring and accepting the sacrifice. Including the possibility that one of their own future children could win the lottery one day. She thought it would work because almost everyone in their society accepts it. A handful of weirdos walk away from omalas and go live in the ice rock colony instead, but like 99% agree that this horrible thing is worthwhile. So from her perspective there was a 99% chance Pike would accept it.
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I got the B5 vibes too, but I am in the minority of B5 fans who like that episode a lot so I ended up liking this one for similar reasons. It's nice to see a show that's okay with showing that sometimes the good guys can't singlehandedly change an alien culture's fundamental beliefs in 44 minutes just by being plucky and headstrong
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TomR posted:That episode was fine. Felt like an okay take on a classic Trek style plot. Wasn't amazing, but it also didn't do anything to ruin the show. Honestly if this is the low point then SNW could end up being the best live action Star Trek. It is not a difficult problem to fix. They either torture one child, or their city and all their children will fall into the lava and die. The dissidents already solved it, by moving to a nearby ice rock planet. But most people don't want to go live on a barely habitable ice planet, so they stay on the child torture lava planet. Give 'em a third option: a nice class M planet to live on. It won't be as nice as the floating paradise, partly because their technology is probably based generating unlimited energy from lava, but a few generations of sacrifice will let them build a cool city again.
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Facebook Aunt posted:It is not a difficult problem to fix. They either torture one child, or their city and all their children will fall into the lava and die. The dissidents already solved it, by moving to a nearby ice rock planet. But most people don't want to go live on a barely habitable ice planet, so they stay on the child torture lava planet. Give 'em a third option: a nice class M planet to live on. It won't be as nice as the floating paradise, partly because their technology is probably based generating unlimited energy from lava, but a few generations of sacrifice will let them build a cool city again. I mean, they were literally offered membership in the Federation ten years prior and presumably had the situation been made clear at the time, they would have been relocated to more habitable worlds. They chose instead to not open the can of worms and to continue to live as an independent planet, keeping the Federation in the dark. Even the rebels didn't ask for Federation assistance and wanted to keep it a secret up until the father's desperation made him crack. It's an internal problem and they'll solve it on their own.
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This episode owed Le Guin a writing credit.Charity Porno posted:At least Pike got indignantly angry. Picard would have just tut-tutted I mean, Picard gave Kevin Uxbridge a horrified "We have no law to fit your crime." I think he'd have done something similar here.
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surely no civilization would prioritize its existence over the suffering and death of a single child, i say from my home in the imperial core where my lifestyle is built upon the enslavement and immiseration of billions
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Wheeee posted:surely no civilization would prioritize its existence over the suffering and death of a single child, i say from my home in the imperial core where my lifestyle is built upon the enslavement and immiseration of billions The only way this episode could be any more timely is if the machine had turned the kid into a flood of AR-15s that rained down on the crowd as they wept in joy over the child blood-granted gun shower.
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Why didn't Pike spit back: "no, we got rid of that child suffering poo poo, post-scarcity life rules ya dingbat!!!"
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I Am Fowl posted:This episode owed Le Guin a writing credit. this, i'm actually a little bit mad about it Khanstant posted:Why didn't Pike spit back: "no, we got rid of that child suffering poo poo, post-scarcity life rules ya dingbat!!!" Yet they use sentient robots and holograms as slave labor in the late 24th century! Truly, the Federation is a land of contrasts.
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