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Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/frances_hui/status/1534680510869524482

smh at twitter for not including a content warning about such intense violence

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Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

stephenthinkpad posted:

De Gaulle was very anti American hegemony. He tried to mess up the US dollar new world order by exchanging as much gold from US as possible under the gold standard rate; also pulled France out of NATO but later French politicians went back in. He also believed the police were part of the JFK assassination plot. I haven't looked into it but I wouldn't be surprised if the US had a hand in getting him out of French politic.

I dunno, he was still reliable in the really important way : hating communists.

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

exmarx posted:

getting performatively mad at china is def reddit behaviour

The true question is which is the more reddit rear end country, Taiwan or Ukraine?

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

Kassad posted:

I dunno, he was still reliable in the really important way : hating communists.

The older I get, the more I think "communist" and "nazi" have different meanings in Europe, they both carry decent amount of pro/anti Russian and pro/anti German code not spelled out in discourse.

stephenthinkpad has issued a correction as of 14:55 on Jun 9, 2022

THS2
Oct 2, 2021

Some Guy TT posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/frances_hui/status/1534680510869524482

smh at twitter for not including a content warning about such intense violence

Chilling

Oglethorpe
Aug 8, 2005

thailand legalized it :420:

DirtyRobot
Dec 15, 2003

it was a normally happy sunny day... but Dirty Robot was dirty

stephenthinkpad posted:

De Gaulle was very anti American hegemony. He tried to mess up the US dollar new world order by exchanging as much gold from US as possible under the gold standard rate; also pulled France out of NATO but later French politicians went back in. He also believed the police were part of the JFK assassination plot. I haven't looked into it but I wouldn't be surprised if the US had a hand in getting him out of French politic.
I know this is the Asia thread so apologies if this is too off-topic, but:I got interested in this and looked some things up.

De Gaulle pulled out of Nato in 1966.

This passage about "stay behind networks" (lol) concerns De Gaulle's actions immediately after returning to power, in 1958:



After the Algiers putsch in 1961, JFK phoned up De Gaulle's Washington ambassador and said "so just to be clear it wasn't me, but uh... I wouldn't rule out the CIA..."



The source for the above is Devil's Chessboard, which heavily concerns Allen Dulles. Dulles was no longer head of the CIA as of of 1961; he died in 1969.

In 1965 the CIA was asked to kill De Gaulle.

Of May 68, an Irish Times article says this:

quote:

Far from supporting Gen Charles de Gaulle's right-wing regime, the US blamed him for the anarchy in France and apparently hoped the Socialist patriarch, Pierre Mendes France, would take power. On May 30th, 1968, the head of the CIA, Richard Helms, sent a five-page secret memorandum to President Lyndon Johnson. De Gaulle had just returned from Germany, dissolved the National Assembly and vowed on television to save France from the threat of "totalitarian Communism".

Helms was merciless in his criticism of the general who had two years earlier expelled NATO headquarters from Paris. "The Gaullists have repeatedly violated and perverted their own constitution," he reported to President Johnson. "They have treated even the moderate opposition with disdain and indifference."

According to Lost Atlantis, the source is The French Crisis, CIA Intelligence Memorandum, 31 May 1968. vol. 13, CF, NSF, #158, box 174, LBJL. I couldn't find this online.

That Lost Atlantis book also indicates the subsequent potential financial crisis in France in November helped US/France relations, just as De Gaulle was probably on his way out, given his lack of popularity:

quote:

Whereas until May 1968, monetary issues had been a source of friction, de Gaulle’s financial misfortune now set the stage for an unforeseen rapprochement between France and the United States. De Gaulle vowed throughout the crisis that he would not devalue the franc. It was, however, uncertain how long France could resist the pressure from the market given the hemorrhage of reserves – and by November the air was rife with speculation that the French central bank was reaching a breaking point.

[...]

By early June, the Johnson administration therefore began working on plans in the strictest confidence to save the franc, the pound, and the dollar. 86 Above all, Washington was trying to dissuade any unilateral moves by the French and was similtaneously weighing in on Germany to revaluate the deutsche mark, since this would help to take off the pressure from the franc, the pound, and the dollar. It insisted on a multilaterally agreed currency adjustment, if any. In November 1968, fears of a unilateral devaluation by France reached a peak.

[...]

Johnson’s handling of the franc crisis of November 1968 – a crisis that Lacouture has labelled the “monetary equivalent of May” 96 – thus greatly contributed to an improvement of the bilateral relationship near the end of his presidency.

pp. 322-24
May 68 doesn't seem like the CIA's style. Most accounts seem to suggest that after the crisis, De Gaulle was pretty much on his way out, so his departure wouldn't have required much pushing from the CIA; that said, them seeing the writing on the wall for De Gaulle might also have contributed to the US' handling of rapprochement in US-France relations.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

DirtyRobot posted:

I know this is the Asia thread so apologies if this is too off-topic, but:I got interested in this and looked some things up.

eh my fault anyway for posting it here felt like the modern history thread was overbooked with my posts about black cosmonauts and the brook brothers riot whiffing

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
(off topic)

It make perfect sense that De Gaulle got support from the US president but not the US spy agency...JFK was at war with CIA and ultimately lost.

BTW the chattering I heard that Macron fired his spy head for some boring reason because he was doing some extra pro US moves behind Macron's back in the early stage of the Ukraine war. Also after election Macron didn't purpose any new policy regarding the Ukraine war for Europe for a couple weeks, supposedly he needed to sort out the royalty of his people before he could say anything diverge from the US/Ukraine position. Macron is no De Gaulle, he doesn't have nearly as much political capital.

Crusader
Apr 11, 2002

https://twitter.com/MFA_China/status/1534888820302221314

platzapS
Aug 4, 2007

Oglethorpe posted:

thailand legalized it :420:
If you fudge it a little, thailand is "Oceania" which means there is now exactly one legal weed country on every continent

except north america, with two and half.

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

eurasia has 4: georgia, malta, north korea, and now thailand

Peggotty
May 9, 2014

I never thought about that, is Malta always considered to be European? Is there an agreed upon border between Europe and Africa in the Mediterranean?

Edit: I looked it up, apparently all islands belong to the nearest continental landmass, so Malta is in Europe, Lampedusa is in Africa.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

https://twitter.com/zlj517/status/1534824212229066753

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

pft it doesnt count for asian religions dummy

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/QuteMike/status/1534982138734358529

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



https://twitter.com/CGMeifangZhang/status/1534781085111951360?s=20&t=1izmiSVu0wAGwugs4PQmwQ

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010




Why don't we have government posters in america that talk poo poo about china online all day. or are they all on weibo?

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Shear Modulus posted:

Why don't we have government posters in america that talk poo poo about china online all day. or are they all on weibo?

They have little marco working that but he sucks at it

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Shear Modulus posted:

Why don't we have government posters in america that talk poo poo about china online all day. or are they all on weibo?

https://www.rfa.org/english/

BEAR GRYLLZ
Jul 30, 2006

I have strong erections for Israel.
Strong, pathetic erections.

Shear Modulus posted:

Why don't we have government posters in america that talk poo poo about china online all day. or are they all on weibo?

we do, twitter just doesn't mark them

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️

lmao if they believe this to be not based

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019


lol I’ll take it to politurds after this one but drat thanks DV for reminding me RFA exists + is completely trustworthy now

HiroProtagonist
May 7, 2007

mawarannahr posted:

lol I’ll take it to politurds after this one but drat thanks DV for reminding me RFA exists + is completely trustworthy now


jesus christ lol

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



mawarannahr posted:

lol I’ll take it to politurds after this one but drat thanks DV for reminding me RFA exists + is completely trustworthy now


so if they point the mirror at something good does that mean the CCP is good?

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/MayukhDuke/status/1534740035186135040

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020

mawarannahr posted:

lol I’ll take it to politurds after this one but drat thanks DV for reminding me RFA exists + is completely trustworthy now


Can somebody explain? Xi shows dead Mao that he is evil???

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

https://mobile.twitter.com/WilliamYang120/status/1535058675148402689

Southpaugh
May 26, 2007

Smokey Bacon


stephenthinkpad posted:

Can somebody explain? Xi shows dead Mao that he is evil???

its actually profoundly confusing.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

stephenthinkpad posted:

Can somebody explain? Xi shows dead Mao that he is evil???

helpfully, RFA cartoons have explainers

https://www.rfa.org/english/cartoons/100th-anniversary-ccp-cartoon-04292021095515.html

quote:

Beauty is in the Eye of the Powerholder
China's Communist Party, with a long history of revising and whitewashing history to serve contemporary political needs, is sparing no effort to glorify its past and cover up tragic periods in the run up to its 100th anniversary on July 1, 2021. People who present a less-than-rosy view of the CCP's past can face legal punishment for distorting party history or defaming Communist heroes. The Cyberspace Administration of China recently launched a website and hotline for citizens to report “historical nihilism,” defined as any departure from the party line.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
okay so then the reflection would be rosy, cartoonist

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



pissed off my tax money is paying for this poo poo

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Shear Modulus posted:

pissed off my tax money is paying for this poo poo

love to be supporting this guy


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebel_Pepper

quote:

Wang Liming (Chinese: 王立铭; pinyin: Wáng Lìmíng; born 1973), better known under the pseudonym Rebel Pepper (Chinese: 变态辣椒; pinyin: Biàntài Làjiāo, lit. "Abnormal Chili pepper"), is a Chinese political cartoonist in exile in the United States.[1] Wang left China out of fears for his safety resulting from the increasing crackdown on freedom of expression by the Chinese Communist Party.[1][2] Since 2017, he is working at Radio Free Asia as a political cartoonist on the EB-2 visa.[3]

quote:


Wang describes himself as an anti-communist, anti-socialist and pro-democratic activist. A staunch supporter of independence for Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tibet and Xinjiang, Wang regards China's hegemony detrimental to democracy and freedom. Likewise, he often criticizes the pro-democracy camp in Hong Kong that does not actively seek independence, as well as the Kuomintang in Taiwan that advocates for reunification with China. Wang supported Donald Trump's platform, claiming that that he supports American right-wing conservatism and criticized the Democratic Party, Black Lives Matter and the moderate left.

Unlike many pro-democratic activists from China, he opposed the policy adopted by the U.S. government to differentiate the Chinese Communist Party and the Chinese people, on the ground that the Chinese culture, rather than communism, is the bedrock for collectivism and dictatorship.[17] Wang supported the demonstrators in Hong Kong during the 2019 protests.


“so much for the moderate left!”

mawarannahr has issued a correction as of 03:20 on Jun 10, 2022

HiroProtagonist
May 7, 2007

Only the best cartoons have to explain what they mean

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
The explanation still don't make sense.

CoolCab
Apr 17, 2005

glem
I think it's the literal off pink glow, that's it

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

does anyone know good sources for historical accounts of the chinese civil war, outside of the WW2 parts? books or documentaries or whatever, this stuff is just hard to find in english

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1534729329866702850

im here for the chinese cover of nothing's gonna stop us now

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Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Danann posted:

https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1534729329866702850

im here for the chinese cover of nothing's gonna stop us now

why is he dressed like oddjob

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