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lobotomy molo
May 7, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Delta-Wye posted:

mechanical turk rear end navy

hell yeah suicide drone boats ftw

though i am a little hurt that they’re stealing my battlefield 2: bad company tactics

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Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




Foo Diddley posted:

what is this "unmanned" bullshit there are clearly people on that boat

unmanned means a specific thing on a ship that is not no people on the ship.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




on the merchant side vessels have safe manning certificates. these are documents approved by class that indicate the number of crew of each rank that have to be signed onto the vessel for it to be operated legally under flag rules. you might have more people as crew, but never less.

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Bar Ran Dun posted:

unmanned means a specific thing on a ship that is not no people on the ship.

if there are people on it anyway why not use a steering wheel.

I'm never riding a remote controlled vehicle that's terrifying and pointless

Thoguh
Nov 8, 2002

College Slice

Rutibex posted:

if there are people on it anyway why not use a steering wheel.

I'm never riding a remote controlled vehicle that's terrifying and pointless

Because it was doing sea trials and they were probably there in case something went wrong. I assume they wouldn't be there when it's actually operational.

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

U/R crosspost because lmao at us shortsightedness
https://www.defensenews.com/congres...ts-to-fix-that/

quote:

defensenews.com
The US is heavily reliant on China and Russia for its ammo supply chain. Congress wants to fix that.
Bryant Harris
4-5 minutes

WASHINGTON — The United States has relied almost entirely on China — and to a lesser extent Russia — in recent years to procure a critical mineral that is vital to producing ammunition.

The mineral antimony is critical to the defense-industrial supply chain and is needed to produce everything from armor-piercing bullets and explosives to nuclear weapons as well as sundry other military equipment, such as night vision goggles.

Antimony is now on the front lines of recent congressional efforts to shore up the strategic reserve of rare earth minerals, known as the national defense stockpile. The stockpile includes a multitude of other minerals critical to the defense-industrial supply chain such as titanium, tungsten, cobalt and lithium, but lawmakers expect will become insolvent by fiscal 2025 absent corrective action.

The House Armed Services Committee took its first stab at addressing China’s grip on the antimony supply chain in draft legislation it released Wednesday. A report accompanying the bill would require the manager of the national defense stockpile to brief the committee on the status of antimony by October while providing “a five-year outlook of these minerals and current and future supply chain vulnerabilities.”

“The committee is concerned about recent geopolitical dynamics with Russia and China and how that could accelerate supply chain disruptions, particularly with antimony,” the report noted.

The draft legislation would also require the Defense Department to instate a policy of recycling spent batteries to reclaim “precious metals, rare earth minerals and elements of strategic importance (such as Cobalt and Lithium) into the supply chain or strategic reserves of the United States.”

The House’s readiness subcommittee is expected to approve the draft text on Thursday, and the Armed Services Committee is set to advance the legislation as part of its annual defense authorization bill later this month.

After Japan cut off the U.S. supply of antimony from China during World War II, the United States began procuring the mineral from ore in an Idaho goldmine. However, that mine ceased production in 1997.

“There is no domestic mine for antimony,” according to a 2020 report from the U.S. Geological Survey, a government agency. “China is the largest producer of mined and refined antimony and a major source of imports for the United States.”

The report noted that China is “losing market share with Russia, the world’s second-ranked producer,” with Tajikistan gaining ground in the global market as the world’s third-largest supplier of antimony.

Lawmakers’ recent interest in shoring up the national defense stockpile of strategic minerals marks a significant about-face for Congress, which had repeatedly authorized multimillion-dollar sales of the reserve over the past several decades to fund other programs.

At its peak during the beginning of the Cold War in 1952, the stockpile was valued at nearly $42 billion in today’s dollars. That value has plummeted to $888 million as of last year.

The Defense Department submitted its own legislative proposal to Congress last month, asking lawmakers to authorize $253.5 million in the defense authorization bill to procure additional minerals for the stockpile.

Rep. Seth Moulton, D-Mass., who sits on the House Armed Services Committee, led seven Republicans in April in asking the defense appropriations subcommittee to provide an additional $264 million in funding for the stockpile for FY23.

“The current stockpile is inadequate to meet the requirements of great power competition,” the lawmakers wrote. “The [national defense stockpile] is no longer capable of covering the Department of Defense’s needs for the vast majority of identified materials in the event of a supply chain disruption.”

Bryant Harris is the Congress reporter for Defense News. He has covered the intersection of U.S. foreign policy and national security in Washington since 2014. He previously wrote for Foreign Policy, Al-Monitor, Al Jazeera English and IPS News.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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What do u mean we should sanction foreign countries more to make our supply chain even harder

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




Rutibex posted:

if there are people on it anyway why not use a steering wheel.

I'm never riding a remote controlled vehicle that's terrifying and pointless

Bar Ran Dun posted:

ships are just dangerous and godawful to be on too.

and mariners take years to educate. 3rd officers are basically a four year degree, 2nds, Chief Officers, and Captains are years and years of experience on top of that (and same for the engineering side). watching standing is a 24-7 thing that qualified people are needed for. merchant ships are old school regulated. navies are similar in need for training. Manning is mostly the watchstanding crew. the ones that are hard to make and expensive.

Thoguh posted:

Because it was doing sea trials and they were probably there in case something went wrong. I assume they wouldn't be there when it's actually operational.

dunno. I’d want people onboard a real unmanned ship. I mean this Chinese vessel is a boat though lol, 100 ton is like you reading this can go get that capt. license after learning the rules of the road.

edit : this is like a automated cost guard cutter

Weka
May 5, 2019
Probation
Can't post for 15 hours!
I bet you could put quite a lot of missiles on a 100 ton trimaran.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006




100 tons would be either GT or NT there a volume not carrying capacity or displacement.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Admittedly, an 4000-5000 ton arsenal ship that is pretty much just radar/aa/VLS cells would be a pretty mean prospect.

platzapS
Aug 4, 2007

Delta-Wye posted:

mechanical turk rear end navy

platzapS
Aug 4, 2007

much like capitalist militaries beat anarchist ones, (moderately prosperous) socialist armies are structurally superior to capitalist ones.

failing to plan is planning to fail

THEY DID IT TO THEMSELVES

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

at the outbreak of hostilities america had the most advanced air superiority fighter on the planet, the nearly invincible f-22

unfortunately for america, only 30 of them were combat-ready at the time, and all of them were on the wrong continent

Weka
May 5, 2019
Probation
Can't post for 15 hours!

Bar Ran Dun posted:

100 tons would be either GT or NT there a volume not carrying capacity or displacement.

According to global times it's a 200 ton displacement but I'm sceptical.
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202206/1267719.shtml

The Sea Hunter, the American ship it's a copy of, has a loaded displacement of 145 tons. For comparison, a type 22 missile boat has a loaded displacement of 220 tons and carries 8 anti ship missiles.


Ardennes posted:

Admittedly, an 4000-5000 ton arsenal ship that is pretty much just radar/aa/VLS cells would be a pretty mean prospect.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_054A_frigate

1 × 32-cell VLS
-HQ-16 SAM
-Yu-8 anti submarine rocket launcher
2 × 4 YJ-83 anti-ship missiles
1 × PJ26 76 mm dual purpose gun
2 × Type 730 7-barrel 30 mm CIWS guns or Type 1130
2 × 3 324mm Yu-7 ASW torpedo launchers
2 × 6 Type 87 240mm anti-submarine rocket launcher (36 rockets carried)
2 × Type 726-4 18-tube decoy rocket launchers

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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Wheeee posted:

at the outbreak of hostilities america had the most advanced air superiority fighter on the planet, the nearly invincible f-22

unfortunately for america, only 30 of them were combat-ready at the time, and all of them were on the wrong continent

and 29 will remain on the wrong continent after an "unexpected" SAM hit

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Weka posted:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_054A_frigate

1 × 32-cell VLS
-HQ-16 SAM
-Yu-8 anti submarine rocket launcher
2 × 4 YJ-83 anti-ship missiles
1 × PJ26 76 mm dual purpose gun
2 × Type 730 7-barrel 30 mm CIWS guns or Type 1130
2 × 3 324mm Yu-7 ASW torpedo launchers
2 × 6 Type 87 240mm anti-submarine rocket launcher (36 rockets carried)
2 × Type 726-4 18-tube decoy rocket launchers

Yeah but what if you took out the crew spaces/hanger and just made it VLS cells?

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://mobile.twitter.com/FeWoessner/status/1536327757591871489

this feels like its tempting fate imo

Danann has issued a correction as of 04:23 on Jun 14, 2022

Goast
Jul 23, 2011

by VideoGames
did they really name it the loving panther lmao

like, i get they love their nazi era cat nicknames for tanks but at least pick one that hasn't been used

Filthy Hans
Jun 27, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 10 years!)


Cybertnk

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

it's gonna be late getting to Eastern Europe

again

palindrome
Feb 3, 2020

German foreign aid program "Barbarossa II" to launch later this June.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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palindrome posted:

German foreign aid program "Barbarossa II" to launch later this June.

Caucasus by christmas baby

The Oldest Man
Jul 28, 2003

Pryor on Fire posted:

They have tried different types of steel and carbide penetrator bullets on 5.56, but at the end of the day it's a pretty tiny bullet and loses energy quickly at range. The length of the bullet is also a limiter for penetration. Bigger bullets and the higher pressures mean the .277 has almost three times the muzzle energy.

The body armor missile gap seems like BS, I am not buying it. But this round will be way more effective at shooting things like improvised suicide bomber cars that are 500 meters away and closing. That seems like the main thing the XM5 was actually designed for.

They're assuming American infantry are going to be going up against Chinese terminator robots in the next dust up, can't rely on 5.56 when your target is a big dog

Renaissance Robot
Oct 10, 2010

Bite my furry metal ass
I mean like, you probably can though, how resilient can those overcomplicated walking roombas possibly be

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

The Oldest Man posted:

They're assuming American infantry are going to be going up against Chinese terminator robots in the next dust up, can't rely on 5.56 when your target is a big dog

https://twitter.com/lsjngs/status/1536684879827456000

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001





whats that huge cylinder in the back

GlassEye-Boy
Jul 12, 2001

Real hurthling! posted:

whats that huge cylinder in the back

floor standing air conditioner

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




cool

Filthy Hans
Jun 27, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 10 years!)

lol oops

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1537344708107804672

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
wow globalism is a bitch eh. I guess you can't actually blockade half a continent

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Rutibex posted:

wow globalism is a bitch eh. I guess you can't actually blockade half a continent

Turns out sanctions are only useful against nations on the periphery, almost like its a colonial tool of punishment

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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america: BRI is just a pipe dream

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

I was in posting jail when the US service rifle chat happened, but here’s Canada’s



The new service rifle for Canada comes with a suppressor on every rifle issued, has a hollow void rail system, and is also issued with a vertical and angle foregrip, per rifle. Not only is the unit cost absolutely batshit insane (and classified), but from talking to the Colt Canada engineers, lol it can only be disassembled and serviced by an armourer beyond the most basic cleaning, the suppressor requires proprietary cleaning fluid and will become clogged with CLP, it can’t mount a bayonet or BFA and it weighs about as much as an AK-47.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

it looks 3D printed at the library.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

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Frosted Flake posted:

I was in posting jail when the US service rifle chat happened, but here’s Canada’s



The new service rifle for Canada comes with a suppressor on every rifle issued, has a hollow void rail system, and is also issued with a vertical and angle foregrip, per rifle. Not only is the unit cost absolutely batshit insane (and classified), but from talking to the Colt Canada engineers, lol it can only be disassembled and serviced by an armourer beyond the most basic cleaning, the suppressor requires proprietary cleaning fluid and will become clogged with CLP, it can’t mount a bayonet or BFA and it weighs about as much as an AK-47.

the more rent seeking in my natsec, the more invincible we are

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
losing ww3 because of a shortage of propritary rifle fluid

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

The sales guy said part of their pitch for why every rifle needs a suppressor is that it will reduce hearing loss claims, which is the funniest possible way they got a bunch of generals and bureaucrats to spend an extra $500-1000 per rifle.

Filthy Hans
Jun 27, 2008

by Fluffdaddy

(and can't post for 10 years!)

Frosted Flake posted:

I was in posting jail when the US service rifle chat happened, but here’s Canada’s



The new service rifle for Canada comes with a suppressor on every rifle issued, has a hollow void rail system, and is also issued with a vertical and angle foregrip, per rifle. Not only is the unit cost absolutely batshit insane (and classified), but from talking to the Colt Canada engineers, lol it can only be disassembled and serviced by an armourer beyond the most basic cleaning, the suppressor requires proprietary cleaning fluid and will become clogged with CLP, it can’t mount a bayonet or BFA and it weighs about as much as an AK-47.

apparently the same is true of the M-17, the regular Sig 320 it's based off of can be stripped by the owner but the military version has special bolts that can only be loosened with special tools so you can't get further than removing the slide without access to said tools

so, "a feature not a bug"

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GrunkleStalin
Aug 13, 2021

Filthy Hans posted:

apparently the same is true of the M-17, the regular Sig 320 it's based off of can be stripped by the owner but the military version has special bolts that can only be loosened with special tools so you can't get further than removing the slide without access to said tools

so, "a feature not a bug"

Tbf, soldiers will destroy anything they can get a hold of so letting them have access to only the parts needed to clean/field service the weapon makes sense.

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