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BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Murgos posted:

Right. This opening hearing did a couple of things.

1. It clearly stated that Trump committed a coup and that planning for the coup started in November, it was not spontaneous or just people acting on their own
2. It clearly set out that Trump knew his claims were false and his staff and supported knew they were false from the beginning
3. It clearly stated that Trump refused his duty as president during the attack
4. It clearly stated that the attack was violent and Trump knew it was violent and it was not just tourists
5. It clearly stated that the attack was premeditated with planning starting from a trump tweet that immediately followed a secret planning meeting with crazy people

That was the agenda and summary, we will see the detailed evidence in the hearings over the next weeks with enough bombshells to capture headlines, followed up by a big closing statement/presentation at the end.

FAKE NEWS!

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OgNar
Oct 26, 2002

They tapdance not, neither do they fart
There have been recordings of GOP meetings planning on 'making friends with lawyers/judges in each state just to be able to contest the next election' easier.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/01/gop-contest-elections-tapes-00035758

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

OgNar posted:

There have been recordings of GOP meetings planning on 'making friends with lawyers/judges in each state just to be able to contest the next election' easier.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/01/gop-contest-elections-tapes-00035758

Oh it's coming. Believe it and get ready for it.

I expect every election moving forward in my lifetime to have accusations of VOTER FRAUD attached to them and that what little fraud there is will be done by Republicans.

duck.exe
Apr 14, 2012

Nap Ghost
https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1535343553609711619?s=21&t=n4qsKOtiYt-7HChq1zbdkg

For comparison that is more viewers than this year’s Oscars got. Fox News only got its usual viewer numbers (3 million).

How are u
May 19, 2005

by Azathoth
That's heartening, I'm glad people were tuning in. I do think that staggering the hearings to one every couple of a days is a good call. Gives the media time to chatter and speculate about revelations, and then an injection of new drama.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010
Let’s hope the drip of revelations from the hearing over the next couple of weeks gets the closing summary and conclusions and even bigger share.

Heck Yes! Loam!
Nov 15, 2004

a rich, friable soil containing a relatively equal mixture of sand and silt and a somewhat smaller proportion of clay.

duck.exe posted:

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1535343553609711619?s=21&t=n4qsKOtiYt-7HChq1zbdkg

For comparison that is more viewers than this year’s Oscars got. Fox News only got its usual viewer numbers (3 million).

For context presidential debates can clear 50-60 million, but close to 20 million on the first night isn't bad. Let's see if that number drops for the other nights or goes up.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

yronic heroism
Oct 31, 2008

Judge Schnoopy posted:

What subversive message are they aiming for where she speaks without being able to see Thomas? Is it a message of "I'm not with him, these are my independent views"?

“I ordered a right-wing 80’s political coalition and was shipped an insurrection. Let me speak to your manager.”

The Bananana
May 21, 2008

This is a metaphor, a Christian allegory. The fact that I have to explain to you that Jesus is the Warthog, and the Banana is drepanocytosis is just embarrassing for you.



duck.exe posted:

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1535343553609711619?s=21&t=n4qsKOtiYt-7HChq1zbdkg

For comparison that is more viewers than this year’s Oscars got. Fox News only got its usual viewer numbers (3 million).

Does that figure include people who streamed it on YouTube?
(Like me)

Ringo Star Get
Sep 18, 2006

JUST FUCKING TAKE OFF ALREADY, SHIT

I love that their right-wing Twitter clone is literally that, except the retweets are “reTruths”.

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

The Bananana posted:

Does that figure include people who streamed it on YouTube?
(Like me)

...maybe?

quote:

Hulu and YouTube TV’s new ratings will be part of Nielsen’s Digital In TV ratings that track viewership for eligible programs through mobile and desktop devices. Nielsen will track live viewership for programming on Hulu’s live-TV service and YouTube TV as well as viewership for three days and seven days after the live airing. The digital viewing data of live, on-demand, and DVR for eligible shows will be combined with the shows’ linear TV viewership data.

A show streaming on the two online platforms is eligible to be tracked by Nielsen if the show and its commercials match what airs on broadcast and cable TV. So, do not expect to see how many people are binging The Handmaid’s Tale, since it only streams on Hulu. That also means your re-run marathons of Parks and Recreation will not be measured, as well.
I'm not sure if YouTube TV is the same as just regular YouTube streaming or if you have to pay for the service? And I'm also not sure if its just tv shows or if news programs count. I further don't know if they'll track news shows since I think you can watch them for free and the ads shown differ based on geographical market.

There an ad exec or media expert in the house?

BlueBlazer
Apr 1, 2010

uhhhhg. This is the first direct communication from him I've seen in a long while and I hate it.

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duck.exe
Apr 14, 2012

Nap Ghost

The Bananana posted:

Does that figure include people who streamed it on YouTube?
(Like me)

The 19 million count is just the total for ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN and MSNBC.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

Fallen Rib

This is a borderline "never heard of her and she never did anything anyway and probably brought me coffee once and is just a jealous loser anyway" response from Donny. The kind of response he usually gives when one of his underlings does something and he feels he has to pretend that they never existed.

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

Madkal posted:

This is a borderline "never heard of her and she never did anything anyway and probably brought me coffee once and is just a jealous loser anyway" response from Donny. The kind of response he usually gives when one of his underlings does something and he feels he has to pretend that they never existed.

I dunno, I read that as him saying she wasn't involved (so leave her alone)

Nelson Mandingo
Mar 27, 2005




duck.exe posted:

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1535343553609711619?s=21&t=n4qsKOtiYt-7HChq1zbdkg

For comparison that is more viewers than this year’s Oscars got. Fox News only got its usual viewer numbers (3 million).

I am coming into this thread to say I was absolutely wrong. I 100% believed that most normal people would completely ignore this.

That being said, I'm sticking with my :toxx: that Trump will not be criminally indicted and arrested over this, and will run for president again. Edit: This isn't to say he'll win. Or if he has a hamburgler heart attack or something. When 55% of you think you should be criminally indicted. Well...

Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 01:20 on Jun 11, 2022

Blorange
Jan 31, 2007

A wizard did it

Nelson Mandingo posted:

I am coming into this thread to say I was absolutely wrong. I 100% believed that most normal people would completely ignore this.

That being said, I'm sticking with my :toxx: that Trump will not be criminally indicted and arrested over this, and will run for president again.

Maybe we're the ones bored to tears with the investigation, because it took forever and has basically confirmed what we thought was obvious from 1/7.

the white hand
Nov 12, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
It doesn't say how many are watching expecting justice to be done, and how many are watching disgusted by the distraction from what they see as more pressing issues.

Civilized Fishbot
Apr 3, 2011

the white hand posted:

It doesn't say how many are watching expecting justice to be done, and how many are watching disgusted by the distraction from what they see as more pressing issues.

I imagine people "disgusted" by the hearing generally chose not to watch it.

Most people probably tuned in because they figured some crazy poo poo would be going down/exposed, and for those who hadn't been paying close attention to the investigation for the past year, that expectation was partially met. The footage was pretty wild and the testimony established that the violence was more severe and more premeditated than a lot of Americans understood.

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

Nelson Mandingo posted:

I am coming into this thread to say I was absolutely wrong. I 100% believed that most normal people would completely ignore this.

That being said, I'm sticking with my :toxx: that Trump will not be criminally indicted and arrested over this, and will run for president again.

I appreciate your willingness to toxx for this, and if I had to bet against you, I don't know that I could.

We are in uncharted waters lmao

OgNar
Oct 26, 2002

They tapdance not, neither do they fart

duck.exe posted:

Fox News only got its usual viewer numbers (3 million).

This is the lovely part.
The people wearing blinders continue to choose to be blind.
Everyone else already knew these people were blind so not much changed in that respect.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

the white hand posted:

It doesn't say how many are watching expecting justice to be done, and how many are watching disgusted by the distraction from what they see as more pressing issues.

There was very little in the presentation or statements I didn’t already know or at least had heard about.

But I follow the legal maneuvering around this issue pretty diligently, even to the point of reading some of the more critical court documents directly to be sure I understand it.

I think for a lot of people most of that was new.

Also, 19 million watching it directly is pretty good since a multiple of that are going to get exposed to the sound bites and discussion from it, and those people are the ones who are more likely to not be up to date on it and may have no real understanding of how bad the event was or how planned and deliberate the whole coup was.

At this point we know that even before the election Trump was making plans on how to contest the election and deny the result before the results were even counted. To the point of involving legal scholars to plan every even questionable legal step that could be made and when that was clearly not going to work just openly illegal actions.

The coup hinged in large part on getting DoJ to provide just a smidge of cover for the state legislatures to submit an alternate slate of electors. First trump pressured Barr to make that statement until he resigned and then Trump pressured Rosen until he (and the entire senior staff at Justice) threatened to resign and the Trump tried to illegally install Clark as AG because he would make the false statement. Without that cover the false electors couldn’t get enough support for a real alternate slate to be passed legally so they made false documents and sent them to the National Archives.

Without real alternate slates there was no mechanism for the senate and the house to actually object to the real slates because there was only one recognized true vote tally.

This planning started before November and a lot of people still think Trump just thought he won and that there was fraud and he was just acting accordingly.

Edit: The big questions I still have are how much did the senators like Cruz know and how involved was he in the planning?

Murgos fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Jun 10, 2022

Oxyclean
Sep 23, 2007


the white hand posted:

It doesn't say how many are watching expecting justice to be done, and how many are watching disgusted by the distraction from what they see as more pressing issues.

I mean, "more pressing issues" includes more or less the same fascists undermining women's and lgbtq+ rights, and more or less the same fascists continuing to undermine voting, and the same fascist likely to run for president again.

Jaxyon
Mar 7, 2016
I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.
If my social media is any judge, a poo poo-ton of people are paying attention. And really upset.

I'll admit I'm surprised too.

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

OgNar posted:

This is the lovely part.
The people wearing blinders continue to choose to be blind.
Everyone else already knew these people were blind so not much changed in that respect.

The kool aide drinking relatives I keep around on Facebook just to get the chud pulse were definitely shaken by this, warning everyone off even watching any coverage because 'its all lies.'

Like they are afraid seeing even a few minutes of this would completely burst the insulated bubble they've been hiding in.

The Bananana
May 21, 2008

This is a metaphor, a Christian allegory. The fact that I have to explain to you that Jesus is the Warthog, and the Banana is drepanocytosis is just embarrassing for you.



OgNar posted:

This is the lovely part.
The people wearing blinders continue to choose to be blind.
Everyone else already knew these people were blind so not much changed in that respect.

Kind of echos my sentiment to a degree

The Bananana posted:

Nope!
Maybe I'm just a cynic, but at this point you either think it was seditious insurrection, or...

you think they were protesters, just expressing how they felt, goshdarn it. :kiddo:

This is made more likely by the fact that fox News ran the fucker Carlson power hour instead of showing the hearing.

The Bananana fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Jun 11, 2022

Oracle
Oct 9, 2004

The Bananana posted:

Kind of echos my sentiment to a degree

This is made more likely by the fact that fox News ran the fucker Carlson power hour instead of showing the hearing.

They wouldn't even run commercials that first hour to make sure people wouldn't turn and look. They are shook. I don't think they're going to be able to avoid getting exposed to it though.

Wizard Master
Mar 25, 2008

BigBallChunkyTime posted:

I hope so i need some new porn

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What a vile, loathsome person you are.

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

Wizard Master posted:

What a vile, loathsome person you are.

and this is coming from wizard master

Moktaro
Aug 3, 2007
I value call my nuts.

BiggerBoat posted:

Here's the video that was shown with previously unseen footage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3_O91gyj9o

So...should I just leave this thread here or start a new one for the next hearing?

I think this thread is fine, maybe add a link in the OP for the page each hearing starts on?

duck.exe posted:

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/1535343553609711619?s=21&t=n4qsKOtiYt-7HChq1zbdkg

For comparison that is more viewers than this year’s Oscars got. Fox News only got its usual viewer numbers (3 million).

The right-wing talking point apparently is "lol you got less viewers than the Golden Globes". :rolleyes:

Dr. Faustus
Feb 18, 2001

Grimey Drawer

The Bananana posted:

Does that figure include people who streamed it on YouTube?
(Like me)
It does not, nor does it include viewers on PBS.

B B
Dec 1, 2005



https://twitter.com/averycutedog/status/1347639707576881152

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtRSal1Zaas

mind the walrus
Sep 22, 2006

OgNar posted:

There have been recordings of GOP meetings planning on 'making friends with lawyers/judges in each state just to be able to contest the next election' easier.

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/06/01/gop-contest-elections-tapes-00035758
Next 20 years are gonna be interesting

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010
The Fulton county DA says they expect a charging decision on Trump and company by June 30.

Thinking about this from a cinematic viewpoint, I wonder if the last session of the public hearings will include a vote to refer charges to DOJ? Yes, it would just be symbolic and theater but it would be that public impetus that gives DOJ a clear mandate to launch more aggressive public investigations.

Like formally empowering a special investigator.

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

Murgos posted:

The Fulton county DA says they expect a charging decision on Trump and company by June 30.

Thinking about this from a cinematic viewpoint, I wonder if the last session of the public hearings will include a vote to refer charges to DOJ? Yes, it would just be symbolic and theater but it would be that public impetus that gives DOJ a clear mandate to launch more aggressive public investigations.

Like formally empowering a special investigator.

If somebody doesn't do something soon I'm gonna fly straight up into the air

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
Kind of a fluff piece but whatever

https://apnews.com/article/2022-midterm-elections-capitol-siege-middle-east-congress-philadelphia-0a871c7f5ba417cbd38684d979c69421

Jan. 6 hearing doesn’t change many minds in Philly suburbs

quote:

“I think what this administration did is far worse (than Watergate). We all see what happened,” said Pigott, 58, a Democrat who lives in Bucks County, Pennsylvania, north of Philadelphia. “I’m convinced he instigated all of it. ... I think this is the worst attack on our system of government since the Civil War.

His was hardly a consensus view. Others among more than a dozen voters interviewed — in coffee shops, stores and by phone — dismissed the hearing as “rubbish,” or simply did not watch.

In the interviews, Democrats said they wanted to see Trump held accountable. Republicans said the hearings amounted to a concocted excuse to persecute the former president.

Ron Soto, 84, a retired truck driver from Langhorne, is an immovable Trump supporter. He sounded aghast that anyone would tune into the hearing. He was watching Fox News, he said, which talked about the hearings, but didn’t air it.

“Who would watch that rubbish anyway? All they’re trying to do is isolate Trump and pick on all of his friends,” he said. “They want to find him guilty of something.”

Mike Domanico operates a Trump merchandise store in Bensalem, not far from Philadelphia, with another one set to open in central Bucks County. He’s a Republican and a stalwart Trump supporter.

“I watched as much as I could stomach and then I was like this is a bunch of crap,” he said. “I couldn’t take it any more.”

I love the whole "they want to find him guilty of something" as if they just made everything up or that poo poo like this happens all the time. Reminds me of how many times John Gotti walked. Yeah, they really just wanted to find that murderous criminal extornist guily of something.

Some Pinko Commie
Jun 9, 2009
Probation
Can't post for 3 days!

Murgos posted:

The Fulton county DA says they expect a charging decision on Trump and company by June 30.

Thinking about this from a cinematic viewpoint, I wonder if the last session of the public hearings will include a vote to refer charges to DOJ? Yes, it would just be symbolic and theater but it would be that public impetus that gives DOJ a clear mandate to launch more aggressive public investigations.

Like formally empowering a special investigator.

That's my birthday.

I'm just going to assume they aren't charging him because my birthdays always suck.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
I'd be surprised and shocked if anyone gets charged. Or at least anyone with no political connections or that makes more than 75 or 80 grand a year.

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Automata 10 Pack
Jun 21, 2007

Ten games published by Automata, on one cassette

BiggerBoat posted:

I'd be surprised and shocked if anyone gets charged. Or at least anyone with no political connections or that makes more than 75 or 80 grand a year.

Pretty much, the Dems are using this to let any active Republican off the hook. We’ll may see Giuliani tier republicans get named, and they will continue to center this on Trump, but they won’t go after anybody they can perceivably gain cache with and they certainly won’t point out that the current GOP are coup supporters who’re working towards a second one by way of dismantling our democracy.

Automata 10 Pack fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Jun 11, 2022

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