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I just want to say that it's cool that we're mostly discussing an episode's premise rather than what level of bad it was. Shows you where we are at with SNW vs. Disco and Picard.
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ashpanash posted:I just want to say that it's cool that we're mostly discussing an episode's premise rather than whether it was any good. Shows you where we are at with SNW vs. Disco and Picard. “Debating the points brought up by the story” vs “does this meet the basic definition of a story” It’s honestly refreshing.
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Jun 10, 2022 22:11
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Those Who Find Riker's Omelettes Delicious
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Terra-da-loo! posted:The more discussion I see/hear about this episode, the more it grows on me. Yeah, it was sorta weak, but not that bad at all. I agree with people saying 7/10. I feel like usually when older* people in media have tall hair, it means they have hair plugs. A good example is Joel McHale. *for tv/movies.
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Fornax Disaster posted:Advanced civilizations in Star Trek always seem to evolve in one of two directions. They either ascend to godhood or stagnate to the point where they don’t know how any of their crap works. Yes, the Beneath the Planet of the Apes paradigm
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Arglebargle III posted:Modern Star Trek Megathread: Those Who Warp Away from Omelas
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HD DAD posted:“Debating the points brought up by the story” vs “does this meet the basic definition of a story” Yeah, this episode in particular had a really solid story structure. I earlier complained a little about how "Ghosts of Illyria" had too many endings/personal heart-to-hearts at the end but this episode hits all the beats. It's basic stuff (and should be the absolute minimum) but it makes a huge difference and blows Disco and Picard out of the water.
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FishFood posted:Yeah, this episode in particular had a really solid story structure. Copying one of the most famous sci-fi stories of all time helps with that. 
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FishFood posted:Yeah, this episode in particular had a really solid story structure. I earlier complained a little about how "Ghosts of Illyria" had too many endings/personal heart-to-hearts at the end but this episode hits all the beats. It's basic stuff (and should be the absolute minimum) but it makes a huge difference and blows Disco and Picard out of the water. Those basic structural elements were the most impressive aspect of the whole episode, to me. The opening scene gave us a full, coherent story with intro, rise in action, and resolution in the few minutes before the theme song! I feel like if this was Discovery or Picard they would have taken that sequence and stretched it into a full episode. There were some issues here and there, like how obvious it was that there was something fishy about this "ascension" but the crew didn't seem to notice. But count me in as liking this episode. I liked that there wasn't a satisfying resolution. It's not like this is a new take on the universe. The Orion Syndicate is out there running literal slave trafficking and the Federation doesn't declare open warfare on them. The Federation are not Space Cops. They could try diplomacy, but the Majalans don't just accept the child sacrifice, they think it is good, and are deeply isolationist. It seems like the better tack would be to establish relations with Prospect VII, and the episode does end moving in that direction. Overall it's still stunning to me that a Star Trek of this quality exists again after literal decades.
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Major Grin is at it again! But now he's doing some funny SNW edits.. Akiva Goldsman hopes no one will watch this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSb8sukm3d0 M'Benga got his start in Vulcan medicine with boxing gloves https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcqM2QS8QIw
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Big Mean Jerk posted:https://twitter.com/ansonmount/status/1535366993448120320?s=21&t=YAfCXcse_la41bOF_RVDSQ Amazing.
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I don't think we appreciated, "Your uniform is... very yellow!" Imagine these aliens show up and cut your enemies in half by accident. Then they rescue you effortlessly. They are wearing the yellowest pajamas you've ever seen.
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Binary Badger posted:Major Grin is at it again! But now he's doing some funny SNW edits.. I had to block this dude's recommendations because he posts CONSTANTLY. Dude has no life
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Big Mean Jerk posted:https://twitter.com/ansonmount/status/1535366993448120320?s=21&t=YAfCXcse_la41bOF_RVDSQ pffff call me when it's a Horta
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hiddenriverninja posted:pffff call me when it's a Horta torn between "you rocked my world" and "did the earth move for you too"
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Kesper North posted:torn between "you rocked my world" and "did the earth move for you too" Too Horta handle!
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I had never heard of Anson Mount before this show and he's loving amazing. As is this!
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Spacebump posted:I feel like usually when older* people in media have tall hair, it means they have hair plugs. A good example is Joel McHale. * Knows Joel McHale from Community * Trepidatiously googles his birthdate * Breathes a sigh of relief, he's older than I am, thank god
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I think what it needed was less a focus on the political intrigue between the majellans and their colony and a little more anguish over whether pike or mbenga (or someone else) would join them. Force one of the cast to make the choice to walk away from omelas
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Jerusalem posted:I had never heard of Anson Mount before this show and he's loving amazing. He was Black Bolt in the bad Inhumans show, so the fact that his career got a second life with this is really inspiring. Definitely one of the high points of modern Trek.
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Yeah Joel McHale had such an obvious receding hairline they even mentioned it on community. Not surprising an actor would get surgery to prevent changing his appearance. We are kind of losing the male pattern baldness aesthetic that was common in the 80s with people like Patrick Stewart, Ed Harris, Michael Ironside, Billy Crystal and Samuel L Jackson. Now it's either drugs and surgery arresting baldness or a total clean shave. It was funny in True Detective they had Woody Harrelson, who is completely bald, in sparser and sparser hair pieces as his character aged. Arglebargle III fucked around with this message at 03:42 on Jun 11, 2022 |
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BiggestBatman posted:I think what it needed was less a focus on the political intrigue between the majellans and their colony and a little more anguish over whether pike or mbenga (or someone else) would join them. Force one of the cast to make the choice to walk away from omelas Decent adaptation of a really good story. It was mainly Pike's reaction that added anything to the original, and it was a great reaction. I'm glad he didn't meet her political justifications with anything but abject horror. This isn't a scenario that you want to debate your way out of. This is a scenario where you just have to walk away, like Pike did. He seemed to know where he was going.
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Probably Magic posted:He was Black Bolt in the bad Inhumans show, so the fact that his career got a second life with this is really inspiring. Well I mean, if a bad tv show gets made but literally not one single human being on the planet watched it.... does it really count?
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Probably Magic posted:He was Black Bolt in the bad Inhumans show, so the fact that his career got a second life with this is really inspiring. Definitely one of the high points of modern Trek. I dunno, he had done other projects and certainly got around. I suspect he was closer to the "offer only" kind of actor rather than the "struggling to pay rent" kind of actor. I'm sure that he didn't compete with as many people as, say, Celia Rose Gooding had to for her part.
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Chinston Wurchill posted:Too Horta handle! What else could it be, when Captain Pike takes a lava
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Before Inhumans Anson Mount just got done being the lead on another tv show. So he's worked pretty steadily over the years.
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Holy poo poo Anson Mount IV's older brother is Anson Mount III
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Hell on Wheels was good. I haven't seen him in anything else.
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HD DAD posted:Man isn’t it great going back to when a less-than-stellar episode doesn’t throw the whole season into question? ashpanash posted:The rumors that some people have been posting is that this point, halfway through, is when Akiva Goldsman came back to co-showrunning. (He was away working on The Man who Fell to Earth.) I am only saying that they're rumors, I have no idea if they are true or not, or if true whether there is a material effect on the show. I believe they came from at least one non-chud source, for whatever that's worth. Please for the love of loving GOD tell me this rumor about Goldsman is false because if the rest of this show becomes sub-par crap after I waited 5 full episodes to pass judgement, I will straight up make it my life's work to get Akvia fired from Paramount. I guess while I'm posting I may as well say that there was plenty to enjoy about the episode, especially the kid actor being good at his job, but the entire time I was like "yo I saw Snowpiercer, I know how this poo poo goes" because I had never heard of Omelas until I read the word here. Pike being so slow on the uptake, perfect timing of Spock's call keeping him from getting the full dirt from the kid's dad, fully trusting the woman after being told not to and then not even recognizing that the planet was on comms and transport lockdown, the kid showing hesitation after seeing the dead body but then gleefully going on to do his job anyway w/o a fight... there's just too much to be annoyed at to call this one a good episode. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Jun 11, 2022 |
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The episode definitely wasn't amazing, but I thought it was still quality Trek. I appreciated the callback to a lot of TOS episodes where the Enterprise runs into a planet that is run by some kind of computer that the alien of the week no longer understands. That and I don't think this episode works if Pike gets to save the kid.
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Anson Mount was also in Hell on Wheels. He's gotten steady work I think, but yeah, seeing the dude walking back to work in Calgary was neat... This was just post discovery season. I wish I would have said something but he seemed like he was entertaining a bunch of other people.
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 "We have no disease in our world. No suffering at all. ...However, there are 250 deaths per day from people falling off our floating cities. What is this thing you call guardrails?"
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DaveKap posted:I told myself I wouldn't post until I caught up on the thread but having these two posts in the same page is loving killing me. Yeah dude he waited to come back until the 6th episode because 6 is Satan's number and he thinks he can harvest the most adrenochrome from angry Trek nerds by ruining the show with a 7/10 episode while pouring sugar in their gas tanks Also the Le Guin comparison is valid but I wonder if people were this annoyed about four lights and 1984
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Khanstant posted:lol are those disco jets of fire tech down there? Now I'm really curious about what would've happened if the Enterprise never showed up. They were there on a routine survey... and prevented an entire civilization from falling into the lava world. That's pretty drat lucky. How many other civilizations with perfect medical technology are out there just getting snuffed out by rogue elements. gently caress I'm falling into the trap of overly thinking about a macguffin that breaks all logical sense. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Jun 11, 2022 |
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I Am Fowl posted:This episode owed Le Guin a writing credit. Came here to post this and look forward to the crew finding a boy with telekinesis on a desert planet named Smatoine IV.
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What other classic short stories would we like to see SNW plagiarize?
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