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I mean the main problem with writing at WWE- I mean ONE of the main problems- amongst their issues are such diverse elements- okay so what I was saying is, WWE’s writers do script out promos which the wrestlers are expected to speak word for word unless they’re one of a select few allowed to do their own stuff. (This isn’t necessarily the same as their position on the card, like Sandow got to improvise some apparently.) That plus no rehearsal time makes all WWE promos feel very overwritten and unnatural, the wrestlers can’t make the text work. So in theory not doing that but having writers give wrestlers some points to hit would be good, but I think in non-WWE promotions someone does that already, they’re just not primarily “writers”.
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MassRafTer posted:Because there is a very successful wrestling TV show that does not use writers right now and historically there have been a lot of shows without them. After this week's Dynamite I'm not so sure it's working amazingly for them TBH
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Jun 11, 2022 03:25
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Drakkel posted:After this week's Dynamite I'm not so sure it's working amazingly for them TBH The results for writers in pro wrestling are very bad so I am sure a not amazing Dynamite is proof we need them after an excellent 2.5 year run.
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Jun 11, 2022 03:29
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what exactly is supposed to be the bad poo poo that made dynamite bad and need writers, especially since i thought it was pretty good? marina shafir's catchphrase?
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Jun 11, 2022 03:31
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flatluigi posted:what exactly is supposed to be the bad poo poo that made dynamite bad and need writers, especially since i thought it was pretty good? marina shafir's catchphrase? Wardlow didn't say exactly what people wanted so he buried the Interim Title  we need writers now.
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Jun 11, 2022 03:35
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I'd imagine a writer version of the Wardlow promo from last Wed dynamite would have been even worse
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Jun 11, 2022 03:40
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If you decide something is bad because WWE screws it up, you’d lose professional wrestling matches that involve different wrestlers from pre-existing scripted feuds and storylines.
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Jun 11, 2022 03:46
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Maybe it's more of a "they need more people on a creative team in general" problem but AEW has been feeling more chaotic, unplanned, and slapped together at the last second lately and I think at some point they need someone who can just be like "Hey why are we doing another tournament like a week after we just finished two other tournaments" or "Tony please stop giving Adam Cole title shots every other week"
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Jun 11, 2022 03:48
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Thanlis posted:If you decide something is bad because WWE screws it up, you’d lose professional wrestling matches that involve different wrestlers from pre-existing scripted feuds and storylines. writers aren't bad because wwe screw them up, writers are bad because every wrestling promotion that has ever used them has sucked rear end
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Jun 11, 2022 03:49
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Drakkel posted:Maybe it's more of a "they need more people on a creative team in general" problem but AEW has been feeling more chaotic, unplanned, and slapped together at the last second lately and I think at some point they need someone who can just be like "Hey why are we doing another tournament like a week after we just finished two other tournaments" or "Tony please stop giving Adam Cole title shots every other week" We should probably wait to see if Adam Cole actually gets this title shot, he might not even be wrestling for awhile he's injured. Meanwhile this week's Dynamite features a line up that has been built up through matches and angles on TV, PPV and BTE.
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Jun 11, 2022 03:55
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Tony probably could use some help especially if ROH gets going full time but I don't think a writer would be the best pick
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Jun 11, 2022 04:05
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Jerry Jarrett when talking about Vince Russo said ideally a wrestling show doesn't take that long to book. Like with Elon Musk types it really feels like pro wrestling has been convincing itself it is much more complicated to book for the last 25 years than it is. This week's show was a little more chaotic, but it is also a show where the world champion went down with an injury 5 days prior, some of your other top stars are injured and your women's champion had to go home sick last week. A lot of stuff was compressed into one show. Seems pretty reasonable.
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Jun 11, 2022 04:07
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MassRafTer posted:Jerry Jarrett when talking about Vince Russo said ideally a wrestling show doesn't take that long to book. Like with Elon Musk types it really feels like pro wrestling has been convincing itself it is much more complicated to book for the last 25 years than it is. This week's show was a little more chaotic, but it is also a show where the world champion went down with an injury 5 days prior, some of your other top stars are injured and your women's champion had to go home sick last week. A lot of stuff was compressed into one show. Seems pretty reasonable. to quote one Bryan Alvarez, "Is this really that hard!?"
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Jun 11, 2022 04:09
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MassRafTer posted:Jerry Jarrett when talking about Vince Russo said ideally a wrestling show doesn't take that long to book. Like with Elon Musk types it really feels like pro wrestling has been convincing itself it is much more complicated to book for the last 25 years than it is. This week's show was a little more chaotic, but it is also a show where the world champion went down with an injury 5 days prior, some of your other top stars are injured and your women's champion had to go home sick last week. A lot of stuff was compressed into one show. Seems pretty reasonable. They're also had to build for a PPV at the end of the month which also meant things had to be compressed. If you didn't have the PPV do you do the new title tournament on the same show as the interim title stuff? Of course no. But with the PPV coming up and the other show pretty laid out you had to do it this week. Sure it ended up being rough in places but the alternative would of been worse and a writer probably would made things even more dumb
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Jun 11, 2022 04:12
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Wrestling doesn't need writers, writing is a skill you need as a wrestler. They should ask for help sometimes though and learn.
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Jun 11, 2022 04:38
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Billionaire coward massive biceps tony needs to go on vacation and give booking control to… *spins wheel* IT’S TAZ
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Jun 11, 2022 04:44
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A script doesn't help if the wrestler isn't a good talker. It usually makes it worse! If a wrestler needs help getting their bullet points across there are dozens of good talking wrestlers all around backstage that I'm sure will happily not only give them ideas on how to do it but also teach them how to deliver them which writers decidedly cannot do well.
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Jun 11, 2022 04:55
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Drakkel posted:Maybe it's more of a "they need more people on a creative team in general" problem but AEW has been feeling more chaotic, unplanned, and slapped together at the last second lately and I think at some point they need someone who can just be like "Hey why are we doing another tournament like a week after we just finished two other tournaments" or "Tony please stop giving Adam Cole title shots every other week" Tony Khan should pay me to tell him when he is booking too much Adam Cole.
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Jun 11, 2022 05:16
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Tony Khan should hire *shakes magic 8 ball* Nosawa?!?!? Oh well, interim forever champion Mutoh here we come
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https://twitter.com/vman8691/status/1535445930643800065 https://twitter.com/vman8691/status/1535458936299585537 https://twitter.com/vman8691/status/1535454693375221765
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Jun 11, 2022 05:25
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GEORGE W BUSHI posted:Tony Khan should pay me to tell him when he is booking too much Adam Cole. The answer to is there too much Adam Cole or redragon is are they on tv, if so that's too much.
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Jun 11, 2022 05:28
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I've been wondering this for a while now, but what the hell happens if Tony gets sick and has to miss a show or two?
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Jun 11, 2022 05:33
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JT Smiley posted:I've been wondering this for a while now, but what the hell happens if Tony gets sick? Did you see Top Gun: Maverick? He books the way Iceman gets work done.
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Jun 11, 2022 05:34
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Easy, Spin The Wheel make the deal returns
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Jun 11, 2022 05:34
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If we're doing early 90's WCW match types I want the terrible vignettes that came with them. White Castle of Fear or GTFO.
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Zombie Lemur posted:If we're doing early 90's WCW match types I want the terrible vignettes that came with them. Alex abrehantes sees Julia Hart in the mirror.
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cagliostr0 posted:Alex abrehantes sees Julia Hart in the mirror. Dark Julia haunting Alex sounds pretty awesome to me
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MassRafTer posted:Did you see Top Gun: Maverick? He books the way Iceman gets work done. I want to talk about worked shoot.
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Lid posted:https://twitter.com/DickVanKlondike/status/1534921027179974657?t=np0FvucdKbq6wfKtLcWbNg&s=19 Maybe they're both you don't know
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JT Smiley posted:I've been wondering this for a while now, but what the hell happens if Tony gets sick and has to miss a show or two? the wrestlers go out to the ring, stand in opposite corners and look back at the entrance way and repeatedly shrug
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Jun 11, 2022 06:35
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cagliostr0 posted:The answer to is there too much Adam Cole or redragon is are they on tv, if so that's too much. No you're meant to source your bad take quotes
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Jun 11, 2022 06:36
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Maybe big wrestling promotions should cut deals to get their talent acting/improv lessons. I know the PC has "promo class" but I have no idea how effective that is. Probably not much better than the wrestling side.
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Gumball Gumption posted:Wrestling doesn't need writers, writing is a skill you need as a wrestler. They should ask for help sometimes though and learn. Yes, and having someone to guide them along in constructing a promo if they need it is not a bad idea either. Digging one's heel's in and demanding a one-size-fits-all approach is the poo poo take, to be quite frank.
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Jun 11, 2022 07:30
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Most scripted TV is awful. Keep those hacks away from AEW please.
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edogawa rando posted:Yes, and having someone to guide them along in constructing a promo if they need it is not a bad idea either AEW has this
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I didn't love Wardlow talking about the interim title like that when the rest of the show is trying to put it over as something important, but it doesn't require writers giving people fully scripted promos to fix thatedogawa rando posted:Yes, and having someone to guide them along in constructing a promo if they need it is not a bad idea either. Digging one's heel's in and demanding a one-size-fits-all approach is the poo poo take, to be quite frank. Think anti-writer people just tend to look at it as a Pandora's Box type situation. Idk if that's necessarily a reasonable fear but I get the sense reading posts about it that there's some history here I'm not totally familiar with
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Where are all the good promos by writers we’re missing?
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Beef Jerky Robot posted:Where are all the good promos by writers we’re missing? Afaik the maximalist example is The Rock but you can quibble with that for a bunch of reasons if you are so inclined
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JT Smiley posted:I've been wondering this for a while now, but what the hell happens if Tony gets sick and has to miss a show or two? That's what Google Docs were made for.
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:Afaik the maximalist example is The Rock but you can quibble with that for a bunch of reasons if you are so inclined here's my quibble with it: what the rock was actually saying was usually complete loving dogshit, but it was delivered by the rock so everyone loved it
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