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lightpole
Jun 4, 2004
I think that MBAs are useful, in case you are looking for an answer to the question of "Is lightpole a total fucking idiot".

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

Bojo, Ireland, and.... mmmm..... Luxembourg

Need a color coded list of EU and non EU countries

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Jimmy Smuts
Aug 8, 2000

Those pictures look straight out of a Bugs Bunny cartoon

Pine Cone Jones
Dec 6, 2009

You throw me the acorn, I throw you the whip!
https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1535053585473470488

Coquito Ergo Sum
Feb 9, 2021

Tiny Timbs posted:

This has a nice bonus of turning into a claymore for anyone unlucky enough to be on foot near the thing when it takes a hit.

Nothing to worry about then, since they seem resigned to just driving tanks alone through open fields and city streets with no infantry cover.

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."





There was that translated quote a page or two back from a guy in the DPR about having to break out the ancient 152mm guns and ammunition, that went something along the lines of "you'll know by the tenth round" [if it worked or not].

I wondered if this is what they meant.

I'm not wondering anymore.

cult_hero
Jul 10, 2001
It's so tough to prove and evidence seems so ephemeral, but I swear I saw reports this morning of DPR forces fielding T-54/55's with ad hoc cope cages....

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

cult_hero posted:

It's so tough to prove and evidence seems so ephemeral, but I swear I saw reports this morning of DPR forces fielding T-54/55's with ad hoc cope cages....

The Economist mentioned they're welding them to the tops of T-62s. Maybe that was it?

Herstory Begins Now
Aug 5, 2003
SOME REALLY TEDIOUS DUMB SHIT THAT SUCKS ASS TO READ ->>

psydude posted:

The Economist mentioned they're welding them to the tops of T-62s. Maybe that was it?

yeah it's that, there were some pictures going around

Mzuri
Jun 5, 2004

Who's the boss?
Dudes is lost.
Don't think coz I'm iced out,
I'm cooled off.

psydude posted:

My money's on France, Germany, and Italy.

I'll wager France, Germany, and The Netherlands. Although Italy isn't a bad guess either.

Britain trying to block someone from joining a club they themselves crashed spectacularly out of would be in character for the current government.

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009

Mzuri posted:

I'll wager France, Germany, and The Netherlands. Although Italy isn't a bad guess either.

Britain trying to block someone from joining a club they themselves crashed spectacularly out of would be in character for the current government.

Britain can't do poo poo, we finally noticed that when you're out, you're out. :rolleyes:

Would have chosen Hungary along with France & Germany, time will tell.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Admission is voted on by European parliament and not the individual countries, though, right? If that's the case I don't see them being blocked.

E: Just checked and I'm wrong. The member states have to approve
E2: In that case there's no way Turkey is ever getting in

psydude fucked around with this message at 11:05 on Jun 10, 2022

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
I'm in Berlin for a study abroad tour and it's pretty weird reading about the actions of the German government and their lack of genuine aid for Ukraine and comparing that to the Gen Z/millenial Germans I've met through this program that are very much in favor of helping Ukraine. Might just be because the organizations we've met with are full of socially conscious and civic minded folks though, half of them are non-profits.

ulmont
Sep 15, 2010

IF I EVER MISS VOTING IN AN ELECTION (EVEN AMERICAN IDOL) ,OR HAVE UNPAID PARKING TICKETS, PLEASE TAKE AWAY MY FRANCHISE

psydude posted:

E2: In that case there's no way Turkey is ever getting in

Yeah I’ve been annoyed at that for years. We should offer them the option to be the 51st state instead although, well, our senate.

Lovely Joe Stalin
Jun 12, 2007

Our Lovely Wang

CommieGIR posted:

If its about recognition, Britain has already said that's up to Ukraine, I doubt this is enough to squeeze a freebie out of the UK, especially when they've openly said "If you chose to travel and fight for another country in a war zone that's on you"

It is (or should be) a problem for the Foreign Secretary, as she was publicly advising people to go and fight. Until her civil servants and colleagues pointed out that has been illegal under our law for over a century.

Liz Truss is a loving idiot.

golden bubble
Jun 3, 2011

yospos

https://www.proekt.media/en/investigation-en/names-of-the-russian-military-officers/

A reminder of how much casual brutality is a part of the normal SOP of the Russian military, even towards themselves.

quote:

“Mlechnik” is considered a hellish place among conscripts. Parents of soldiers who served in the 64th Brigade in 2017-2019 say that the food in the unit is poor , it is cold in the barracks, and the uniforms issued are old and out of size. “Before some inspections, some of the soldiers are hidden in the baths, forests and other places for some reason. Maybe they don’t want to frighten the inspectors with the soldiers’ appearance since their uniforms, boots and physical condition leave much to be desired, » says the mother of one of the conscripts.

Field exercises are held twice a year at the training ground, where there are no basic living conditions. In winter and summer, the soldiers live in tents and wash themselves in an earthen pit, where they also wash their clothes. Because of all this, the recruits often fall ill, but there is no medical unit in the brigade. A nurse instructor treats the soldiers with the most primitive medicines, like paracetamol.

But the worst thing in “Mlechnik” is beatings and extortion. Both conscripts and officers engage in it. Soldiers from the national republics get into gangs and harass fellow conscripts: they take away their cash, bank cards and cell phones. In 2019, for example, a conscript from “Mlechnik” was sentenced to 1.5 years in prison for bullying and extorting a fellow soldier.

Not only do senior enlisted personnel not stop their subordinates, they themselves participate in the bullying. In February 2022, a senior warrant officer and a sergeant beat six privates. The drunken warrant officer checked the numbers on the soldiers’ bedside tables and slippers and beat those whose numbers did not match with a stick. One of the conscripts asked the sergeant to stop the warrant officer, but he joined in the torture.

Due to the fact that conscripts have no one to complain to, they try to run away from the unit or get a medical discharge — “they eat chlorine and swallow needles” . Sometimes soldiers go to extreme measures. For example, in 2014 conscript Alexei Snakin committed suicide. Major Nikolai Chabanov beat him with a broom handle, forced him to wear a bulletproof vest and gas mask all day long, and shortly before his death, he put Alexei “on a clock”, telling him to buy him a new computer. The court first sentenced Chabanov to a suspended sentence, and only after the intervention of human rights activists was the major sentenced to 3.5 years in a colony with deprivation of the right to hold senior positions for two years.

The “Mlechnik” servicemen show cruelty not only to fellow soldiers. In 2015, in the garrison in Knyaz-Volkonsky, a group of servicemen beat a passerby to death. The witness was the unit’s cook, who was passing by and stood up for the victim. He tried to call for help, but the crowd turned on him. “I went to the officer on duty. The chief warrant officer came out, the military police were here, and they were beating me in front of them, » he later told reporters. The cook eventually shot one of the attackers with a traumatic weapon and dragged the battered man to his car, where he died before medics arrived.

Khabarovsk Krai ranks third in Russia in terms of the number of sentences handed down in cases of non-statutory relations in the army . In second place is Primorsky Krai, which has its own “hell’s kitchen” — the village of Sergeevka. The 127th Motorized Rifle Division of the 5th Combined Arms Army, which also fought on the Kyiv front, is stationed there.

In 2018, 20-year-old contract serviceman Roman Sapegin escaped from the unit in Sergeyevka. He reported bullying, beatings and extortion by fellow servicemen from the Caucasus: “They take away phones and bank cards.” The last straw for him was the episode when a sergeant forced a private to wash the toilet bowl with his bare hands and severely beat him for refusing.

“Last year, a sentry in our unit shot himself at night, two more conscripts were run over to death by an Ural truck right on the firing range, and another soldier hanged himself, » he said.

In 2017, soldiers from Yakutia and Dagestan had a fight in the unit. After the video of the fight hit the web, an inspection was to come to the garrison from Moscow. The instigators of the brawl were sent home two days before the end of service, and the remaining servicemen were warned: “No one saw anything, maybe just a couple of people got into a fight, and that was it” .

Strange things sometimes happen in the settlement. In September 2018, a headless uniformed corpse was found near the Sergeevka unit. A year earlier, another decapitated body was found in neighboring Ussuriysk, where units of the 127th Division are also stationed, and it turned out to be Artillery Major Andrei Golovlev, who had disappeared in the summer of that year.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Lovely Joe Stalin posted:

It is (or should be) a problem for the Foreign Secretary, as she was publicly advising people to go and fight. Until her civil servants and colleagues pointed out that has been illegal under our law for over a century.

Liz Truss is a loving idiot.

Except both of the PoWs are married to Ukrainian citizens, moved there before the war, are permanent residents (one is actually a dual citizen), and have been in the Ukrainian army for like 4-6 years.

I've never heard of the British government prosecuting people for serving in the FFL, and God knows there's plenty of Brits in that.

Suicide Watch
Sep 8, 2009
Found this webpage from the Ukrainian govt on how to wage partisan warfare when Russia invades, courtesy of the NYTimes (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/10/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war.html)
https://sprotyv.mod.gov.ua/action-grid/

Topics include:
- MAKING A SMOKE GRENADE AT HOME
- HOW TO COMMIT DOMESTIC SABOTAGE IN THE REAR OF THE OCCUPIER
- HOW TO SHOOT AN RPG-26
- HOW TO START AND STEAL A RUSSIAN TANK

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

http 418

Suicide Watch posted:

- HOW TO COMMIT DOMESTIC SABOTAGE IN THE REAR OF THE OCCUPIER

:wiggle:

Suicide Watch
Sep 8, 2009

Just direct them to the nearest Taco Bell :wiggle: :wiggle:

pantslesswithwolves
Oct 28, 2008


Happy pride, everyone! 🇺🇦🏳️‍🌈

Zamujasa
Oct 27, 2010



Bread Liar

Suicide Watch posted:

Just direct them to the nearest Taco Bell :wiggle: :wiggle:

they said sabotage, not annihilation

Madurai
Jun 26, 2012

Tangential, but relevant:

https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1535582101621420032

Nuclear Tourist
Apr 7, 2005

Cannot get over how absolutely wild it is to see a rep from Ireland, of all countries, being so overtly sympathetic to an imperialist power waging a war of conquest against a smaller, outgunned neighbor.

:psypop:

https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1534837681724837891?t=rswCVAphKkZBgDCephWGPg&s=19

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Nuclear Tourist posted:

Cannot get over how absolutely wild it is to see a rep from Ireland, of all countries, being so overtly sympathetic to an imperialist power waging a war of conquest against a smaller, outgunned neighbor.

:psypop:

https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1534837681724837891?t=rswCVAphKkZBgDCephWGPg&s=19

This ain't the first time this has happened. Check what they were up to in WWII

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

Clare Daly is... well look, you could retitle every section of her wikipedia page after Early Life as 'Controversies' and nobody would notice anything off with the article.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Gaius Marius posted:

This ain't the first time this has happened. Check what they were up to in WWII

Yes, but that could be chalked up to "gently caress you Britain"

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009


^^^^^ tbf outside WW2 that's usually the correct position


Fuckin yikes lol

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012

Giving your condolences for Hitler's death a week before the Regime fell is a bit of a bad look

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Alchenar posted:

Clare Daly is... well look, you could retitle every section of her wikipedia page after Early Life as 'Controversies' and nobody would notice anything off with the article.

Does she just represent a particularly stupid district, or what?

Because yeah, you'd think Ireland would be more sympathetic to the plight of a neighboring country fighting off an aggressor bent on stamping out their culture.

Alchenar
Apr 9, 2008

psydude posted:

Does she just represent a particularly stupid district, or what?

Because yeah, you'd think Ireland would be more sympathetic to the plight of a neighboring country fighting off an aggressor bent on stamping out their culture.

It's the EU parliament, it works on constituency PR and low turnout. Every country has fringe career politicians who find a niche constituency and stick to it, there's nothing special going on in Ireland there.

Also everyone in Europe has far more recent experience of aggressors trying to stamp out their culture than Ireland has. Ireland today has small neutral country privilege like Switzerland and Austria.

e: by which I mean they have no military threats and no reason for 'what about the war in x' to ever be a dominant part of the political conversation.

Alchenar fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Jun 11, 2022

Plastic_Gargoyle
Aug 3, 2007

Nuclear Tourist posted:

Cannot get over how absolutely wild it is to see a rep from Ireland, of all countries, being so overtly sympathetic to an imperialist power waging a war of conquest against a smaller, outgunned neighbor.

:psypop:

https://twitter.com/NaomiOhReally/status/1534837681724837891?t=rswCVAphKkZBgDCephWGPg&s=19

Hm, let's see...

Wikipedia posted:

In the 1980s Daly was a member of the Labour Party as a teenager but was expelled alongside other members after being accused of being Trotskyists infiltrating the party using the tactic of entryism.

Yeah, that sounds about right.

Thank gently caress we don't have these nutjobs in the US on any kind of scale.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006
How the gently caress is Trotskyism in any way compatible with Neo Stalinists? I don't have the mental framework to understand modern (post-modern?) leftism.

therobit
Aug 19, 2008

I've been tryin' to speak with you for a long time

A.o.D. posted:

How the gently caress is Trotskyism in any way compatible with Neo Stalinists? I don't have the mental framework to understand modern (post-modern?) leftism.

The new left just hates the west, and that is their entire identity. If someone is opposed to the west, they must be good.

RFC2324
Jun 7, 2012

http 418

therobit posted:

The new left just hates the west, and that is their entire identity. If someone is opposed to the west, they must be good.

has anyone ever tried showing them which direction west is on a map?

shame on an IGA
Apr 8, 2005


you are like little babby, watch this



https://knowledgefight.libsyn.com/knowledge-fight-all-about-steve

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
russian propagandists just clotheslining the entire airport paperback aisle into the shopping cart when they need ideas cuz they running out of sense of self

Beefeater1980
Sep 12, 2008

My God, it's full of Horatios!






It’s quite hard to reconcile English language nationalist fiction to other language nationalist fiction because the US and UK collectively won the 19th and 20th centuries; their flavour of dickwaving fiction isn’t revanchist.

Most countries have tons of “no actually this is how we won” popular fiction because nobody is immune to the seductive lure of feeling like a military winner. It’s equally dumb in every case.

Alan Smithee
Jan 4, 2005


A man becomes preeminent, he's expected to have enthusiasms.

Enthusiasms, enthusiasms...
https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1535583780966121473?s=20&t=y__C0PNuF15dJZE72PAt9g
pounded in the butt by Beria's porno rear end pennies because he's a sadistic sex predator

https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1535586220411166720?s=20&t=y__C0PNuF15dJZE72PAt9g

where will russian cover illustrators get their inspiration if their access to straight to video Steven Seagal geezer teasers is cut off :ohdear:

https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1535586843181432832?s=20&t=y__C0PNuF15dJZE72PAt9g

lmao. Pounded in the butt by a Russian tank

https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1535603482052403200?s=20&t=y__C0PNuF15dJZE72PAt9g

this new command and conquer: Red Alert is horribly imbalanced

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010
The fiction about demonizing and destroying your neighbors is bad but the other thing is just a take on “A Connecticut Yankee In King Arthur’s Court”.

Wasn’t there a US series about a military unit that goes back in time from around a decade before that and does similar things?

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Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Beefeater1980 posted:

It’s quite hard to reconcile English language nationalist fiction to other language nationalist fiction because the US and UK collectively won the 19th and 20th centuries; their flavour of dickwaving fiction isn’t revanchist.

Most countries have tons of “no actually this is how we won” popular fiction because nobody is immune to the seductive lure of feeling like a military winner. It’s equally dumb in every case.

In America that stuff still exists, it's just about the South winning the Civil War.

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