|
The demo has done the impossible and made me miss White Clouds. I feel it’s particularly egregious for the Deer and kind of annoying for the Eagles that everyone just comes together post-skip. The Deer in particular have this problem, and I think the game is very much counting on me smoothing this over with my 3 Houses character perceptions.
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 09:43
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 6, 2024 00:55 |
|
|
Clawtopsy posted:The demo has done the impossible and made me miss White Clouds. It would be a pretty terrible Warriors game if we had to do all the white clouds poo poo before the game properly started.
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 09:47
|
|
|
Folt The Bolt posted:Also, thanks to the latest update, I have managed to figure out what is likely to 99% be Shez's actual learned spells once you get through the classes needed: I am stupid and forgot to account for Shez's exclusive promoted class; Asura! He learns one additional spell when you train the Asura class. quote:Reason: Shez now learns the same amount of spells as Byleth does, and with a clear focus on Reason spells, especially Dark Magic.
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 09:55
|
|
|
Forgotten half of what goes down in Three Houses so finally doing the one route I never bothered with to refresh my memory (Silver Snow) and White Clouds sure is more tolerable when you put a two year gap after the last time you did it Still drags a bit though
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 09:57
|
|
|
Judge Tesla posted:It would be a pretty terrible Warriors game if we had to do all the white clouds poo poo before the game properly started. It would, but there’s got to be some middle ground between we’ve known each other three weeks and that has given Marianne the strength to not kill herself and 12 hours of naruto running around the monastery handing sylvain back his lost respect for women
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 10:05
|
|
|
Imho white clouds definitely could have used some more representation. Like maybe have us skip ahead in 2-3 month intervals with a little bit of running around the monastery to make it plausible that everybody got a one year education together, with a central hub where you can talk to everybody before moving on to the next prologue map. Give us a small prompt to dance with somebody at the white heron cup (maybe even win it lol) and the goddess tower scene.
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 10:36
|
|
|
Oh my, I'm not usually that big on the slower Musou units but Armored Knight actually kinda kicks rear end. Nice and beefy.
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 11:44
|
|
|
Clawtopsy posted:The demo has done the impossible and made me miss White Clouds. Oh I definitely felt that. The classes really are not as tightly knit as they were in 3H proper, so it feels a little strange when they suddenly reunite. It's obviously a conceit you just have to accept for the game to work, but it's certainly rough.
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 11:57
|
|
|
The game is definitely leveraging its spinoff vibes and counting on you to bring your knowledge from 3H over to sell the old characters and hoping you'll overlook it as it brushes through everything to get to the new timeskip status quo in only 2 hours.
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 12:05
|
|
|
Through more cross-referencing and process of elimination, have the spell lists of Monica, Rodrigue, and Holst:quote:Monica Monica and Rodrigue generally conform to their archetypes of caster and "perfect for Holy Knight" respectively. Holst meanwhile not only is a better mage than Hilda is by having the standard fighter/caster hybrid of eight spells in total including high level spells and a non-elemental spell on his list, but also coupled with his preferred classes means he is actually tailor-made to become a Mortal Savant, with a specialization in lightning attacks, especially given that Holst, like Hilda, also learns "Essence of Lightning", and also being the only male who learns naturally learns Bolting, period. Why couldn't he be playable in Three Houses...
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 12:24
|
|
|
Blaziken386 posted:it only just occurred to me that the Ashen Wolves are absolutely going to be Byleth's faction, solely because they have "Ashen" in the name. There's absolutely no chance they won't be. Also a bit late but ashen wolves are just called Wolfklasse in the Japanese versions of the games and Byleth is nicknamed “gray demon” (Haiiro no Akuma) so the connection is way weaker in Japanese. So while it makes some degree of sense from a gameplay perspective to throw the spares in with Byleth, neither thematically nor in terms of plot does it really check out. Like why would they throw their lot in with some random mercenary, and how would Byleth know of their existence or have access to them without becoming a professor at garrech mach? I guess it’s not impossible, but it seems rather unlikely to me (and would commit the cardinal sin of locking the ashen wolves for a big part of the game, probably, when I want to recruit/play them asap!) Deltasquid fucked around with this message at 13:30 on Jun 15, 2022 |
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 13:20
|
|
|
Metis of the Hallways posted:Oh I definitely felt that. The classes really are not as tightly knit as they were in 3H proper, so it feels a little strange when they suddenly reunite. It's obviously a conceit you just have to accept for the game to work, but it's certainly rough. I actually wonder if this might get explained as the result of Time Shenanigans. While it's still possible this game just a flat-out alternate universe with no explanation needed, the bit Arval says about "the cycle" plus Sothis and Byleth's existing access to Time Magic suggests it might turn out that this game is some kind of alternate timeline produced by someone trying to meddle with the outcome of events in Three Houses. If that turns out to be the case, it could be that peoples' memories and perceptions are bleeding through from the original timelines, in basically the same way that our own perceptions of the characters are the product of having played the first game. It's a bit of a stretch, but even Dorothea's camp conversation where she bemoans the idea of fighting former classmates only for Shez to say "Uh we only knew them for three weeks what are you talking about" kind of feels like it's hinting at this. Basically just make the in-universe reason for why they can skip a bunch of the setup and bonding the same as the real-world reason, because they already did all that once.
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 15:15
|
|
|
Dolash posted:I actually wonder if this might get explained as the result of Time Shenanigans. While it's still possible this game just a flat-out alternate universe with no explanation needed, the bit Arval says about "the cycle" plus Sothis and Byleth's existing access to Time Magic suggests it might turn out that this game is some kind of alternate timeline produced by someone trying to meddle with the outcome of events in Three Houses. We have terminal Homestuck brains
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 15:33
|
|
|
Metis of the Hallways posted:Oh I definitely felt that. The classes really are not as tightly knit as they were in 3H proper, so it feels a little strange when they suddenly reunite. It's obviously a conceit you just have to accept for the game to work, but it's certainly rough. It makes sense for the Faerghus faction at least. They’re duty/honor/loyalty fixated and many are friends from birth. Lysithea, though? A very limited lifespan to throw in with some guy you just met who oozes “I am up to something”.
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 15:37
|
|
|
i'm unironically excited about the plot having those fanfiction time travel tropes.
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 15:37
|
|
|
Clawtopsy posted:It makes sense for the Faerghus faction at least. They’re duty/honor/loyalty fixated and many are friends from birth. What's important is if I can rectify the mistake that Lysithea is apparently in the wrong house again? She's clearly a Black Eagle.
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 15:41
|
|
|
Clawtopsy posted:It makes sense for the Faerghus faction at least. They’re duty/honor/loyalty fixated and many are friends from birth. lunar detritus posted:i'm unironically excited about the plot having those fanfiction time travel tropes. 
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 15:50
|
|
|
Eimi posted:What's important is if I can rectify the mistake that Lysithea is apparently in the wrong house again? She's clearly a Black Eagle. Some manner of recruitment system has to be in. I refuse to believe they’d take this game’s setup which is ripe for a golden ending and then make this timeline worse by forcing you to off everybody not from your house. Clawtopsy posted:We have terminal Homestuck brains Yes, but lunar detritus posted:i'm unironically excited about the plot having those fanfiction time travel tropes. Also, I know this probably won’t be true but I hope Shez isn’t related to TWSITD or the Nabateans in any way. Just a random merc who got lucky in this timeline
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 15:52
|
|
|
Deltasquid posted:Some manner of recruitment system has to be in. I refuse to believe they’d take this game’s setup which is ripe for a golden ending and then make this timeline worse by forcing you to off everybody not from your house. I mean we absolutely know Shez isn't just a random merc lol. Random Mercs don't have gods in their head, or go super saiyan, or the special Dark magic only people associated with TWSITD have.
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 16:00
|
|
|
I got up to the time skip in three houses so going into this is kind of wild. Everything I knew got ran past in a prologue and even then it deviated hard.
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 16:06
|
|
|
Zore posted:I mean we absolutely know Shez isn't just a random merc lol. Random Mercs don't have gods in their head, or go super saiyan, or the special Dark magic only people associated with TWSITD have. Oh I mean like, a random merc who got chosen/rescued by Arval after the first mission in the prologue. A “it could have been anybody” kind of deal, not a “I was literally crafted by the Gods to become their vessel” kind of deal
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 16:11
|
|
|
Zore posted:I mean we absolutely know Shez isn't just a random merc lol. Random Mercs don't have gods in their head, or go super saiyan, or the special Dark magic only people associated with TWSITD have. It WOULD be kinda hilarious if Shez really was some rando and there just wasn't any explanation as to how a god got into their head.
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 16:13
|
|
|
Deltasquid posted:Oh I mean like, a random merc who got chosen/rescued by Arval after the first mission in the prologue. A “it could have been anybody” kind of deal, not a “I was literally crafted by the Gods to become their vessel” kind of deal The thing is, the intro flashback has a character who looks not only like transformed Shez but Shez as well, and they have mysterious origins with only a mother known. And Shez knows dark magic. Either Shez is Agarthan/an experiment or, unlikely, Arval has a type 
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 16:25
|
|
|
Shez has ???? as their birth date, has no idea who their birth parents are, and their hometown is in the mountains of the Leicester Alliance (aka close to Shambhala) If Shez isn't an Agarthan supersoldier project that will be a massive red herring at this point.
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 16:28
|
|
|
Shez is real and my friend.
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 16:30
|
|
|
Thales has a line about how he's never forgiven the Nabateans for stealing the Agarthans' "light." Everyone I've talked to insists that this is just a flowery way of saying they didn't want to be mole people, but I've always maintained there's some backstory there. obvs their light is Arval and him being in Shez' brain is not actually part of an Agarthan super soldier program, but Rhea's fault somehow
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 16:36
|
|
|
Twelve by Pies posted:After doing a few more battles I have to say everyone in Black Eagles is super cool and I like them all. Except, well, Dorothea I guess. She isn't bad! Just that to me, she's the most "Oh yeah, you exist" character in the roster. Maybe I will like her more after some support conversations. I wanna say she was by far the most popular character on release of 3 houses (the game used to give you stats on who other people used)
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 16:42
|
|
|
Pureauthor posted:Shez has ???? as their birth date, has no idea who their birth parents are, and their hometown is in the mountains of the Leicester Alliance (aka close to Shambhala) One of these days Intsys is going to have to make a game where the protag is not royalty, a crafted supersoldier, a divine vessel or otherwise explicitly genetically superior and just a guy who got really loving good at his job 
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 16:45
|
|
|
In SB they look directly at the Camera and say “wow your power is the same as Solon’s power! That’s so weird!” so if it has nothing to do with Agartha then it’s a silly subverted expectations nonsense moment.
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 16:51
|
|
|
Deltasquid posted:One of these days Intsys is going to have to make a game where the protag is not royalty, a crafted supersoldier, a divine vessel or otherwise explicitly genetically superior and just a guy who got really loving good at his job They are entirely uninterested in telling those stories. And considering the vocal backlash by some of the fandom to even the idea of it raised in 3 Houses, lol.
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 16:53
|
|
|
Also Fire Emblem stories have always involved medieval-fantasy politics. The closest we've had to a non-special protagonist was Kris in New Mystery and stilk stole a lot of the spotlight.
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 17:02
|
|
|
I thought Ike wasn't special, other than having big muscles and knowing sword kung fu. Did he have some magical backstory reveal in Radiant Dawn I forgot about?
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 17:06
|
|
|
Zulily Zoetrope posted:I thought Ike wasn't special, other than having big muscles and knowing sword kung fu. Did he have some magical backstory reveal in Radiant Dawn I forgot about? No, Ike is specifically a completely normal person that wasn't even born into nobility or royalty (his dad was important, but he abandoned all of that). He gets divine powers at the end of Radiant Dawn but it is literally just to kill God, from another God, and otherwise he's still a normal person that just so happens to be excellent at murder.
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 17:13
|
|
|
Zulily Zoetrope posted:I thought Ike wasn't special, other than having big muscles and knowing sword kung fu. Did he have some magical backstory reveal in Radiant Dawn I forgot about? His mom and Mist are the only people who can touch the Fire Emblem without going insane. And his dad was the best swordsman in the world. And he's literally the only person in the world able to wield Ragnell. They also sort of do a weird thing where they've retroactively turned Aether into something you get through a royal bloodline but that wasn't a thing in FE9 so it can mostly be ignored. He's definitely the closest we've gotten though. Zore fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Jun 15, 2022 |
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 17:16
|
|
|
Pureauthor posted:Shez has ???? as their birth date, has no idea who their birth parents are, and their hometown is in the mountains of the Leicester Alliance (aka close to Shambhala) When you kick Thales out of the Empire in CB there's some battle/map dialogue where he says "wait, are you...?" to Shez but then brushes it off, which is the closest we get to any of the slithers seeming to recognize Shez. My guess is that Arval is definitely something they made (an attempt at a fake Sothis?) but that their being implanted in Shez is not their doing. Also Shez doesn't have like amnesia or anything and in supports will talk about their past and how they were raised by their mom.
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 17:19
|
|
|
Sydin posted:When you kick Thales out of the Empire in CB there's some battle/map dialogue where he says "wait, are you...?" to Shez but then brushes it off, which is the closest we get to any of the slithers seeming to recognize Shez. My guess is that Arval is definitely something they made (an attempt at a fake Sothis?) but that their being implanted in Shez is not their doing. Also Shez doesn't have like amnesia or anything and in supports will talk about their past and how they were raised by their mom. Cornelia seems to recognize Shez's power as well.
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 17:58
|
|
|
Zore posted:Ragnell This one reads as a gameplay conceit, to me. There's nothing about it in the English script at least, iirc
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 23:02
|
|
|
Clawtopsy posted:It would, but there’s got to be some middle ground between we’ve known each other three weeks and that has given Marianne the strength to not kill herself and 12 hours of naruto running around the monastery handing sylvain back his lost respect for women Marianne was never confirmed to have killed herself post timeskip...though yes, the fact that she is here instead of hiding out in a church or estate somewhere is strange.
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 23:08
|
|
|
Sydin posted:When you kick Thales out of the Empire in CB there's some battle/map dialogue where he says "wait, are you...?" to Shez but then brushes it off, which is the closest we get to any of the slithers seeming to recognize Shez. My guess is that Arval is definitely something they made (an attempt at a fake Sothis?) but that their being implanted in Shez is not their doing. Also Shez doesn't have like amnesia or anything and in supports will talk about their past and how they were raised by their mom. Shez was adopted and didn't know their birth parents. So its very easy to imagine them as escaped Agarthan experiment person. Kinda the same deal with Byleth.
|
|
#
?
Jun 15, 2022 23:10
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 6, 2024 00:55 |
|
|
Zore posted:His mom and Mist are the only people who can touch the Fire Emblem without going insane. And his dad was the best swordsman in the world. And he's literally the only person in the world able to wield Ragnell. They also sort of do a weird thing where they've retroactively turned Aether into something you get through a royal bloodline but that wasn't a thing in FE9 so it can mostly be ignored. And i always saw "mist can touch it without going insane" as "mist is noble and pure and doesn't have violent urges that she would act on anyways so its fine" which is very funny considering you can very easily make her into an absolute monster of a unit
|
|
#
?
Jun 16, 2022 02:04
|
|