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| I enjoy reading contemporary newspaper comics. |
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| I enjoy reading historical newspaper comics. |
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| I enjoy reading newspaper comics from foreign countries. |
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Jun 15, 2022 21:43
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Slammy posted:It’s temporary. Disappointing they came so close to "The Ghost Who Fills In" with this tweet and yet backed off.
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Jun 15, 2022 21:46
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Medenmath posted:Vintage Valiant (Oct. 07, 1951) Doomykins posted:Nancy and Trail are barely better than their predecessors by default and at times not. I agree with you on all of these zombie strips, but the papers won't get rid of them and since they won't I prefer they dump the ancient authors and go with new people. The Bloop posted:Gilchrist nancy was at least better looking and worth a hate read. quote:The best Nancy strips of all time barely have any words. The new ones can barely fit the crudely drawn faces next to all the words
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Jun 15, 2022 21:51
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Breaking Cat News Phoebe and Her Unicorn  Wallace the Brave  Heart of the City  Curtis from a different browser, you NAGS. 
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Jun 15, 2022 22:09
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Q-Rais Talks to Himself is largely a slightly self-indulgent excuse to talk about his cooking hobby, yes.  But I feel like the diary comic bits are worth it.
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Jun 15, 2022 22:20
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Cheer Up Boss Dharma
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Jun 15, 2022 22:37
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I apologize in advance. As with any hobby you think about things over time and end up with a lot of overly obsessive points you want to share with others. You either find a group of like-minded people in a forgotten corner of the internet or start making long form video essays. Allow me to babble about how I'm disappointed in the track record of old comic IPs being picked up by modern artists. I think New Nancy could be worse than Gilchrist.. nah, but honestly Gilchrist probably told some really bad jokes from time to time in an earnest attempt at comedy. It'd require reading a lot more of both than I'd feel like past what ends up in this thread to actually rate the two against each other(and Gilchrist looks awful), but New Nancy is the worst of several strip lows put together. I also think New Nancy somehow screwed up the characterization of the cast, even if the best with Bushmiller was a bratty kid, a wise-crackin' poor kid and a generic adult authority figure. Most of the new characters are interchangeably bad. Rich Girl is as obnoxious and egotistical as Nancy. There's Angry Girl, Nancy's new close friend, who is as bitter and miserable as the rest of the cast but her character trait is brooding so she really beats it to death. Movie Boy is bitter, jaded and cynical but surprise, he likes movies. There are the twins, where one is almost entirely forgotten and the other is.. one of the few characters with redeeming traits! The "little kid showing off their OC" jokes are good. There's also Super Excited Other School Kid, who just gave the flashback about the triangle robot, I like him. It's hard to remember the rest because you may notice a pattern here worthy of the same condemnation Peanuts got: please lord save me from these depressing, morbid rear end adults in children's bodies. Nancy is actually not bitter and angry as often as the rest but has been elevated to obnoxious poo poo from precocious brat. Aunt Ritzi isn't a stupid pin-up but becoming a dime-a-dozen depressed anxious adult as a vehicle for more cynical jokes doesn't help the tone of the strip. The dog is good and usually accompanies the rare 10% of New Nancy that isn't bad(i.e. actual gag or physical comedy strips instead of the tortuous WITTY AND VERBOSE ANXIETY LOOP.) And I like Sluggo(and Apathetic Librarian) by default, though I think New Nancy botched his character a lot. I'm not saying Sluggo needs to be dirt poor to be Sluggo, or show up to every strip with the not at all funny calling cards of poverty line America. But Sluggo is now just "the one chill kid who maybe enjoys life" instead of Sluggo, usually forced to be the straight man to somebody else beating the jaded and cynical horse to death. He's not Sluggo in the modern era, he's not even Sluggo is Lit, which was done years ago and never repeated even in tone outside of twice a year "my editor lets me get away with this" jokes, so New Nancy isn't benefitting from taking off the blinders of the past. New Nancy had fun once and then turned into a zombie strip, as mechanically executed and creatively dead as modern Garfield. And in less than a god drat year. I dunno, I've just thought idly in my day to day errands and work a bit too much about how missing the point it was to me the first time Sluggo appeared in panel holding a smart phone. This is what we want from giving new blood a chance? Hell, New Trail did the same thing. Has done it multiple times. Jules loved to give interview quotes about how she's smarter than those bogus old farts who came before but everything said has rung hollow so far. "Mark Trail is a handsome man and I'm not afraid to draw handsome men." Nope, gone after the first week and a single joke. "Rusty is treated as a pet instead of a boy." Close, but unless this current arc really saves it Jules got more bored of Rusty then her predecessors did mid Rusty storyline. And then the rest of the stumbles along the way, with a long-term narrative strip that has active contempt for long-term planning or even simple panel to panel logic. Hell, just today we've got more "get it done" art. I'm obviously expecting too much from newspaper strips and their quality but drat, I think beating the hall of infamy clowns they replaced shouldn't be asking too much. Well I hope anyone enjoyed my ranting as much as I did. I dunno if it's rude or insane or entertaining to try some longer form analysis of these silly stories we've read for years. I could do positive ones about weird strips I love like Thimble Theater, Jucika, Prince Val or anything Q-Rai puts out, among others. I've wondered if the thread might enjoy regulars posting some summaries on strips they read regularly, maybe rating them and a justification for why... I say all this because I actually love reading obsessive over-analysis of my hobbies. And it'd be fun to sing the praises of the good strips and kick the bad strips while they're down. Then again the over-analysis of Holbrook's work bounces right off me the same way his actual strips do, I'm firmly in the camp that Holbrook produces an endless stream of Dad Joke level riffs and never thinks beyond surface level Animal Cartoon World logic. But you're all clearly having fun doing it, so good day. 
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Jun 15, 2022 22:53
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Slammy posted:It’s temporary. Vargo posted:Curtis from a different browser, you NAGS.
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Jun 15, 2022 23:02
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Hee Hoo Animal Metaphor Comix, Ain't Business Wacky?       
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Jun 15, 2022 23:36
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Doomykins posted:I apologize in advance. As with any hobby you think about things over time and end up with a lot of overly obsessive points you want to share with others. You either find a group of like-minded people in a forgotten corner of the internet or start making long form video essays. Allow me to babble about how I'm disappointed in the track record of old comic IPs being picked up by modern artists. Gilchrist was a sex pest.
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Jun 15, 2022 23:56
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Green Intern posted:Gilchrist was a sex pest. Sure and his strips meandered into eyeroll cheesecake and eyeroll patriotism But we can judge the strips on their own merit as well
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Jun 16, 2022 00:19
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Green Intern posted:Gilchrist was a sex pest. Obviously the current iterations of the strips aren't perfect. But I would rather have something with problems than something that's almost entirely dogshit bar an entertainingly stupid moment two or three times a year, that also happens to be made by sex criminals/creepy old motherfuckers.
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Jun 16, 2022 00:29
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Pickles Zits 
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Jun 16, 2022 00:33
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The Bloop posted:Gilchrist nancy was at least better looking and worth a hate read You do not, in fact, gotta hand it to ISIS
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Jun 16, 2022 01:02
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I'll take back the new strips being as bad as or worse then the old ones and their authors. I guess that makes Gilchrist Nancy and Jamesallen Trail 0/5s instead of 1/5s.
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Jun 16, 2022 01:06
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Darthemed posted:Docks Not to mention the huge amount of help he gave to the struggling hentai market. Green Intern posted:Gilchrist was a sex pest. He was, but that shouldn't matter if we're just judging the quality of strips he produced. Which were, of course, pretty bad, but mostly after his brother left. Remember, we saw Gilchrist strips from early on after he took over the strip and they were actually pretty okay. I'd say even better than current Nancy. Now, it should be noted that at least some of the good strips were just directly plagiarized from Bushmiller and redrawn by Gilchrist, but probably not all of them were. And then after his brother left, it just turned into "Jesus and Vietnam Vets are the greatest, now let's have Aunt Fritzi in a negligee complain about modern music" and it was complete trash. So all that said do I think Gilchrist's Nancy strips, divorced from outside info, were better than modern Nancy? The early stuff, yeah. They were goofy jokes and even if they were stolen from Bushmiller, they were still goofy jokes which is a lot better than "jaded and cynical kids talk about how jaded and cynical they are." But to add to that, I'd rather have Jaimes' strips than Gilchrist, because with the outside info, I'm glad that a sex pest is no longer drawing the strip. I will absolutely take strips I think are dull and inferior over Gilchrist getting money. And as a final note, when Jaimes does try and make strips in the spirit of the original Nancy, they're actually incredibly good! She does some really fun visual gags, a lot of the good ones are with the dog, but there's other ones that have been great too. I wish she'd do more of those instead of strips like Egotistical Girl looking in the mirror and saying "I am the best at being stressed out, but what if I start to take it easy because I'm the best, then I won't be the best and I will be stressed out, ha ha I win again." So is Rachel just the first rhino in history to ever attend college or what? It seems like this would have come up at some point before.
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Jun 16, 2022 01:14
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Vargo posted:Wallace the Brave It's been a while since I've said it, but Wallace is great.
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Jun 16, 2022 01:32
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Lol gently caress y’all, NuNancy is great S L U G G O I S L I T Gatto Grigio fucked around with this message at 05:09 on Jun 17, 2022 |
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Jun 16, 2022 02:16
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The Bloop posted:Gilchrist nancy was at least better looking Doomykins posted:Most of the new characters are interchangeably bad. Doomykins posted:And I like Sluggo(and Apathetic Librarian) by default, though I think New Nancy botched his character a lot. I'm not saying Sluggo needs to be dirt poor to be Sluggo, or show up to every strip with the not at all funny calling cards of poverty line America. But Sluggo is now just "the one chill kid who maybe enjoys life" instead of Sluggo, usually forced to be the straight man to somebody else beating the jaded and cynical horse to death. He's not Sluggo in the modern era Doomykins posted:he's not even Sluggo is Lit, which was done years ago and never repeated Doomykins posted:New Nancy isn't benefitting from taking off the blinders of the past. Doomykins posted:New Nancy had fun once and then turned into a zombie strip, as mechanically executed and creatively dead as modern Garfield. Doomykins posted:New Trail did the same thing. Has done it multiple times. Jules loved to give interview quotes about how she's smarter than those bogus old farts who came before but everything said has rung hollow so far. "Mark Trail is a handsome man and I'm not afraid to draw handsome men." Nope, gone after the first week and a single joke. "Rusty is treated as a pet instead of a boy." Close, but unless this current arc really saves it Jules got more bored of Rusty then her predecessors did mid Rusty storyline. And then the rest of the stumbles along the way, with a long-term narrative strip that has active contempt for long-term planning or even simple panel to panel logic. Hell, just today we've got more "get it done" art. I'm obviously expecting too much from newspaper strips and their quality but drat, I think beating the hall of infamy clowns they replaced shouldn't be asking too much. Twelve by Pies posted:So all that said do I think Gilchrist's Nancy strips, divorced from outside info, were better than modern Nancy? The early stuff, yeah. They were goofy jokes and even if they were stolen from Bushmiller, they were still goofy jokes which is a lot better than "jaded and cynical kids talk about how jaded and cynical they are." Gatto Grigio posted:Lol gently caress y’all, NuNancy is great 
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Jun 16, 2022 02:17
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catlord posted:It's been a while since I've said it, but Wallace is great. The only reason I don't say it every day is because of how obnoxious it would get. Big Nate Year 1 (May 21-22, 1991)   Old School Peanuts (Aug 4, 1953)  Calvin and Hobbes ()   Blind Alley  Support Adam's Patreon here.
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Jun 16, 2022 02:21
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Twelve by Pies posted:So is Rachel just the first rhino in history to ever attend college or what? It seems like this would have come up at some point before.
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Jun 16, 2022 02:28
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I do not see the appeal of Nancy. I'm mostly here just to  over Holbrooks bullshit.E: And Mozz's Never-Ending Story
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Jun 16, 2022 02:30
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I personally feel very fortunate that people take the time to post this cornucopia of strips. I love some and love to hate some. The ones I just don't think are very good aren't for me. That's ok. There is a wide open tap of comics and something I want to read is going to come out of it soon.
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Jun 16, 2022 02:46
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Yeah I'm not gonna insist the stuff I don't like not be posted, I can just scroll past. I'll still read it on a slow day at work.
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Jun 16, 2022 02:48
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Twelve by Pies posted:So all that said do I think Gilchrist's Nancy strips, divorced from outside info, were better than modern Nancy? The early stuff, yeah. They were goofy jokes and even if they were stolen from Bushmiller, they were still goofy jokes which is a lot better than "jaded and cynical kids talk about how jaded and cynical they are." But to add to that, I'd rather have Jaimes' strips than Gilchrist, because with the outside info, I'm glad that a sex pest is no longer drawing the strip. I will absolutely take strips I think are dull and inferior over Gilchrist getting money. Stressing that one phrase not to critique the overall critique, but just to underline that divorcing the strips from extratextual biographical information about the creators to get a hypothetical "clean" read is a pretty high bar to clear, even if it wasn't the byproduct of how we read things around here. We'd still be heckling Dilbert if it wasn't. Even if we did manage that, Gilchrist's overly-busy art style might've still worn me out. It'd probably be an easier fit for a Smokey Stover reboot than as an heir to Bushmiller, if Bill Holman had as big of a cult following as that. Our Boarding House (April 3-5, 1922)    Toonerville Folks (June 19-21, 1919)    Dok's "Go Be Nice To People" Duck (March 16, 1914)  I found out not too long ago that Harvey Kurtzman did some backgrounds for Little Lefty as a teenager, and these first two strips had me checking the time frame. (November 5-8, 1936; when Kurtzman was only 12, so too soon, maybe.)     Blondie From Zero (April 28-30, 1932) 
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Jun 16, 2022 02:50
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The one thing I hated the most about Gilchrist Nancy was he would regularly bring up Bushmiller's Three Rocks because he understood it was a thing that had been written about but didn't understand that it was an artistic philosophy rather than a specific grouping of rocks appearing in the background.
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Jun 16, 2022 02:56
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Thing is, even with the mostly-gabby formula that NuNancy falls into, I find some of the banter amusing. The visual gags are better but you know, sometimes it hits.
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Jun 16, 2022 02:57
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imagine defending gilchrist nancy to any degree for any reason
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Jun 16, 2022 03:04
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Similarly while New Mark Trail is a bit of a total mess, I find its messiness kind of endearing. There's clearly effort being put in, it's just sloppily done. And while that's damning with faint praise, that still puts it ahead of the strips that are completely generic (say, modern Garfield), the ones that are downright hateful, and whatever the gently caress Holbrook is doing.
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Jun 16, 2022 03:14
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Quick reminder that Gilchrist also sold pin-ups and art-plates of Aunt Fritzy the whole time he was hired for (and even after he was fired from) the Nancy comic. Just one of his many shittastic pieces, though less busty most of them: https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/original-guy-gilchrist-1950s-pin-up-style  There's no way on earth he wasn't cranking it hard to a self-drawn archive of her that none of us have seen yet.
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Jun 16, 2022 03:14
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Sundae posted:Quick reminder that Gilchrist also sold pin-ups and art-plates of Aunt Fritzy the whole time he was hired for (and even after he was fired from) the Nancy comic. [edit]In High School I had a friend whom was an incredible artist, could pretty much draw anything immediately and if he put a tiny effort into it could make some very representative pictures of people. He spent more time drawing outlandish porn than drawing anything else. Makes me wonder if it's a common thing among artists. fondue fucked around with this message at 03:54 on Jun 16, 2022 |
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Jun 16, 2022 03:34
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Sundae posted:There's no way on earth he wasn't cranking it hard to a self-drawn archive of her that none of us have seen yet. also: Janice, from the Muppets.
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Jun 16, 2022 03:53
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Outbursts of Everett True June 17, 1919 And He Did! June 30, 1919  Cat Tales June 1, 1925  Oaky Doaks November 25, 1936  Mopsy February 3, 1938  Up Front June 6, 1945  Bootsie’s Big ‘50s  So It Seems August 15, 1952  Those Were the Days April 6, 1961  Wee Pals August 18, 1966  Dogbert June 5, 1967 
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Jun 16, 2022 03:55
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fondue posted:He spent more time drawing outlandish porn than drawing anything else. Makes me wonder if it's a common thing among artists. And some of 'em actually do just prefer doing porn. The artist for Ghost In The Shell and Appleseed went *back* to doing it after making it big, because they found it more enjoyable. Malachite_Dragon fucked around with this message at 04:00 on Jun 16, 2022 |
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Jun 16, 2022 03:57
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Slammy posted:So It Seems August 15, 1952 hoof
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Jun 16, 2022 04:00
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Gatto Grigio posted:Lol gently caress y’all, NuNancy is great Yeah, NuNancy is one of my favorite comics. Not every daily comic knocks it out of the park, but that's just the nature of gag-a-day. It's generally worth a small smile, and sometimes it really lands. Wallace the Brave is the best, though. I knew that the tire whale was going to have some great payoff, but I had no idea what it was going to be. And it did!
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Jun 16, 2022 04:09
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Twelve by Pies posted:Not to mention the huge amount of help he gave to the struggling hentai market. Slammy posted:Those Were the Days April 6, 1961 kidcoelacanth posted:imagine defending gilchrist nancy to any degree for any reason
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Jun 16, 2022 04:09
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Slammy posted:Those Were the Days April 6, 1961 ...did... did grandpa do a Willy Pickton? 
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Jun 16, 2022 04:24
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kidcoelacanth posted:imagine defending gilchrist nancy to any degree for any reason I will say this and only this in Gilchrist Nancy's defense: at least it wasn't Brother Rock. I enjoy NuNancy, though it does have its own pitfalls. fondue posted:Makes me wonder if it's a common thing among artists. Extremely.
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Sundae posted:Quick reminder that Gilchrist also sold pin-ups and art-plates of Aunt Fritzy the whole time he was hired for (and even after he was fired from) the Nancy comic.
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