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HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
That's so awful.

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tonesville
Apr 25, 2010

Boxman posted:

This is so lovely, jesus.

I realize this is way too late, and COVID protocols may have fallen apart anyway but - for future reference (and for anyone reading), I highly recommend finding a service who does these things at home. They're more expensive than taking your friend to the vet, obviously, but the cost is pretty reasonable, even without being compared to the amount of money we usually end up spending on these furry idiots near their end of life.

I didn't know these existed until recently, and being able to say goodbye to Bear at home, where he was comfortable and we could spend our last minutes together in his yard, was just tremendous.

Yes this is what I did with Mingus at the beginning of covid. Not sure I would have survived it any other way.

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug
If we'd had more time it's how I would have liked to have done it. Unfortunately her hind legs had become paralyzed and the vet said the front legs would eventually be following suit and, uh, she hadn't pooped in well over a day. Taking her home and waiting for the service would have been a real messy situation which I don't think any of us would have appreciated any more.

We don't know why it happened either. I know she jumped off a hotel bed onto carpet a couple weeks prior which may have been the culprit, but it took several days after that for her to start degrading, and another week for her to really lose those legs. We took her to a vet about a week after she jumped and they gave her some meds... she was quite mobile for a day or so after that, and in a drat good mood.

Tater's will definitely be done at home when the time comes. Hopefully that won't be a while, but it's been on my mind lately due to his own condition. I don't think I've ranted about that one tho... I'll try to put my thoughts together for a good rant there.

Tayter Swift fucked around with this message at 17:47 on Jun 7, 2022

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug
So... Tater.

Tater’s been an unhealthy dog all his life, with constant hotspots and more recently some very resilient ear infections. I think we’ve finally found something that works for the ears, but the skin problems have morphed into something else entirely.

First are the cysts. Huge, ugly, awful cysts which burst and discharge unspeakable evils. He had a few removed surgically a couple years ago but it was a bad experience and I promised I’d never put him through it again. They’re not cancerous and don’t seem to be painful until they’re just about ready to blow but yeah, they’re a pretty drat scary sight nonetheless. They get bloody often when he scratches them too, to the point where I've had to wash the walls of the blood splatter.

But worse is his rump. He has something that was called ‘sterile nodule panniculitis,’ which for the past 18 months has presented itself as, like, some pocket of blood welled up on his rump. Every few weeks it erupts, covering his backside in blood. I need to put a diaper on him to keep the house in order. At least the black diapers look good on him. After a few days the bleeding stops and his backside starts fills up again.
We'd been seeing a dermatologist since October to try to get to the bottom of this, but treatment has not worked, and in the past couple of months it’s gone from ‘sterile’ to ‘not sterile at all,’ and the staph in there is unfortunately a strain which is incredibly resistant to antibiotics. He’s been on a couple dozen medications and just about every antibiotic out there, and simply put nothing has worked.

In April, after by my count 28 vet/specialist visits and somewhere north of $7k, we decided to stop treatment. His dermatologist is stumped and we’re simply out of reasonable options. Without any effective treatment… let’s say I’m not getting my hopes up long term, and I think even the treatment he’s had has aged him. I don’t know how I made it home from that visit, sobbing while trying to drive in the rain. But we’ve been beat, and it’s time to admit it.

The six weeks or so since then have been relatively stable. He has good days and bad days, some days where he doesn't need his diaper at all and other times where it just gets soaked after a couple hours. I struggle daily with whether I should be putting him down or not, but he still doesn't seem to be in pain -- he tends to den himself when he's feeling that bad, and rarely does so unless he's licked his backside raw.

Anyway, that's where we're at. Sorry about another sad rant but it does feel good to get it off my chest.

tonesville
Apr 25, 2010

Tayter Swift posted:

So... Tater.

Tater’s been an unhealthy dog all his life, with constant hotspots and more recently some very resilient ear infections. I think we’ve finally found something that works for the ears, but the skin problems have morphed into something else entirely.

First are the cysts. Huge, ugly, awful cysts which burst and discharge unspeakable evils. He had a few removed surgically a couple years ago but it was a bad experience and I promised I’d never put him through it again. They’re not cancerous and don’t seem to be painful until they’re just about ready to blow but yeah, they’re a pretty drat scary sight nonetheless. They get bloody often when he scratches them too, to the point where I've had to wash the walls of the blood splatter.

But worse is his rump. He has something that was called ‘sterile nodule panniculitis,’ which for the past 18 months has presented itself as, like, some pocket of blood welled up on his rump. Every few weeks it erupts, covering his backside in blood. I need to put a diaper on him to keep the house in order. At least the black diapers look good on him. After a few days the bleeding stops and his backside starts fills up again.
We'd been seeing a dermatologist since October to try to get to the bottom of this, but treatment has not worked, and in the past couple of months it’s gone from ‘sterile’ to ‘not sterile at all,’ and the staph in there is unfortunately a strain which is incredibly resistant to antibiotics. He’s been on a couple dozen medications and just about every antibiotic out there, and simply put nothing has worked.

In April, after by my count 28 vet/specialist visits and somewhere north of $7k, we decided to stop treatment. His dermatologist is stumped and we’re simply out of reasonable options. Without any effective treatment… let’s say I’m not getting my hopes up long term, and I think even the treatment he’s had has aged him. I don’t know how I made it home from that visit, sobbing while trying to drive in the rain. But we’ve been beat, and it’s time to admit it.

The six weeks or so since then have been relatively stable. He has good days and bad days, some days where he doesn't need his diaper at all and other times where it just gets soaked after a couple hours. I struggle daily with whether I should be putting him down or not, but he still doesn't seem to be in pain -- he tends to den himself when he's feeling that bad, and rarely does so unless he's licked his backside raw.

Anyway, that's where we're at. Sorry about another sad rant but it does feel good to get it off my chest.

Aww poor Tater I completely get it needing to rant. Blows my mind how attached I get to these furballs.
I spoke with the trainer and he made lots of sense. He uses the e-collar from Sit Means Sit brand. Looks like they're pretty popular and kinda expensive but if they work I'm down. He says we'll work on basic obedience to get him used to working with the collar (which he assures me isn't a shock) and then move to doing walks and gently buzzing the collar when he begins to show anxiety to encourage him to go.
I just started a little desensitization last night (when he wants to retreat I kneeled down and put my arm around him and gave pats to his side while saying encouraging things) and it worked! This morning, too! Monk seems very smart and gets training stuff quickly so I'm hopeful.
Oh and I just took Monk off the Prozac it wasn't helping and just made him a zombie. Probably gonna try Trazadone (I think).
Does anyone dislike the Sit Means Sit e-collar? Is a clicker just as good?
Ok I've been looking around and yeah SMS is a bit controversial I guess. Looks like they setup anyone with a trainer "certification"? Any stories/warnings?

tonesville fucked around with this message at 13:35 on Jun 8, 2022

Sistergodiva
Jan 3, 2006

I'm like you,
I have no shame.

https://www.avma.org/javma-news/2021-11-01/veterinary-behaviorists-no-role-aversive-dog-training-practices

Never heard about those collars, but I think all of them are kinda rare here in Sweden. But I would look for a trainer that doesn't use averse methods. I have a hard time thinking that buzzing a dog and scaring it would help with anxiety.

Submarine Sandpaper
May 27, 2007



Sorry m8. Slipped disks and paralysis are a big worry for my bassets. One has bad hot spots as well, I've really only found relief in monthly steriod injections.

Instant Jellyfish
Jul 3, 2007

Actually not a fish.



You need to be really careful with any sort of aversive training (even if its "just a buzz", you aren't the one who decides what is aversive your dog is) with any sort of anxious or reactive dog. They can start associating whatever they're afraid of with getting corrected which just makes their anxiety worse. It can also mask any of their early warning signs of getting overwhelmed so when they do snap, because you haven't changed how they feel just how they react, it seems like it comes out of nowhere. Personally, I wouldn't trust any sort of chain trainer without outside certification. I want a trainer that's skilled enough to have different tools in their toolbox to adapt to the dog in front of them. A lot of the sit means sit and other trainers who just use e-collars that's their only tool and they just use it on everything and have no idea how to train anything without it.

Here's a page on how to find a good trainer: https://avsab.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/How_to_Choose_a_Trainer_AVSAB.pdf

tonesville
Apr 25, 2010

Instant Jellyfish posted:

You need to be really careful with any sort of aversive training (even if its "just a buzz", you aren't the one who decides what is aversive your dog is) with any sort of anxious or reactive dog. They can start associating whatever they're afraid of with getting corrected which just makes their anxiety worse. It can also mask any of their early warning signs of getting overwhelmed so when they do snap, because you haven't changed how they feel just how they react, it seems like it comes out of nowhere. Personally, I wouldn't trust any sort of chain trainer without outside certification. I want a trainer that's skilled enough to have different tools in their toolbox to adapt to the dog in front of them. A lot of the sit means sit and other trainers who just use e-collars that's their only tool and they just use it on everything and have no idea how to train anything without it.

Here's a page on how to find a good trainer: https://avsab.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/How_to_Choose_a_Trainer_AVSAB.pdf

Fantastic link thank you! Just what I needed. We just had another even bigger success! Second walk (misty, rainy day hates wet grass for poops like all dogs) he stopped and I chatted with him again with pats on the side and we took off at a jog (jogs seem to motivate him to go forward) and he even went into one of the "bad neighborhoods" he had written off due to hearing a noise there!
Given these breakthroughs I'm going to continue with them until I find a trainer that is more trustworthy.
Thanks thread!

cailleask
May 6, 2007





I’ve worked with a trainer who does use aversive collars, but combined with heavy heavy positive reinforcement for desired behavior. I find that my dog does need to know her boundary of what I do NOT want, along with what I do want. Every dog is different, though.

Basic Poster
May 11, 2015

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

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I got a new puppy. It's a he.

Catahoula (I know, not a typical looking one). Dark brown up top, butterscotch down below and OD green eyes.

This will be my third catahoula. Breed is perfect for me. He's rather nice, smart. Not without issues that we are working through at a good clip.

Goes to his first vet appointment on Saturday and I'll need a name by then.

Came here for name help.

https://imgur.com/a/KusVAM4

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe
Awww

I'm a big fan of giving dogs names that have way more gravitas than most dogs ever even consider having. As a kid, the family dog was named Newton Descartes Rachmaninoff (plus like 20 other names that we kids assigned him, but he only responded to "Newton"). My current dog is named Pavlov. Might I suggest trawling your favorite branch of science for name ideas?

WhiteHowler
Apr 3, 2001

I'M HUGE!

TooMuchAbstraction posted:

Awww

I'm a big fan of giving dogs names that have way more gravitas than most dogs ever even consider having. As a kid, the family dog was named Newton Descartes Rachmaninoff (plus like 20 other names that we kids assigned him, but he only responded to "Newton"). My current dog is named Pavlov. Might I suggest trawling your favorite branch of science for name ideas?

Science dogs are the best.

My current dog is named Kepler, and we've already decided that our next one will be named Cassini.

Basic Poster
May 11, 2015

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

On Facebook

TooMuchAbstraction posted:

Awww

I'm a big fan of giving dogs names that have way more gravitas than most dogs ever even consider having. As a kid, the family dog was named Newton Descartes Rachmaninoff (plus like 20 other names that we kids assigned him, but he only responded to "Newton"). My current dog is named Pavlov. Might I suggest trawling your favorite branch of science for name ideas?

I did consider Pavlov for obvious reasons...but I figured that would be a bit over done

I'm an EE so my touchpoints there are like oiler, Nyquist, reimann, Maxwell, faraday, etc.

Also a bass player so thought of going with Jaco or Pino, or Bernard.

But the big is french so, maybe like, Laroux or whatever....but that feels a bit corny. I guess Leroy might be a better substitute.

Thanks for the input!


e: how could I be so blind


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Wang

Basic Poster fucked around with this message at 19:00 on Jun 9, 2022

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe

Basic Poster posted:

I did consider Pavlov for obvious reasons...but I figured that would be a bit over done

I've yet to meet another Pavlov. I've asked the occasional vet about names, and they say they see plenty of cats named Schroedinger, but very few dogs named Pavlov.

Basic Poster
May 11, 2015

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

On Facebook
Fourier would be kinda solid. It's my favorite thing of all engineering. French, like the breed (or creole anyway). Good opportunity to glaze people's eyes over if the origin comes up.

Poopelyse
Jan 22, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
name him Sandwich

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
Dogs are awesome, you can name them anything.

Brick, tank
Lil Poppy (Because you named him popsicle)

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002
I named one of my dogs Kitty!:

Son of Thunderbeast fucked around with this message at 03:46 on Jun 10, 2022

Harvey Mantaco
Mar 6, 2007

Someone please help me find my keys =(

cailleask posted:

I’ve worked with a trainer who does use aversive collars, but combined with heavy heavy positive reinforcement for desired behavior. I find that my dog does need to know her boundary of what I do NOT want, along with what I do want. Every dog is different, though.

Yeah, this was our breakthrough. Positive wasn't enough (it's still the vast, vast majority) but for things like keeping her from diving headfirst into the loving dish washer or trying to bodyslam the cat firmly holding the collar, giving her a "no- bad" then praising the followup calmer behavior helped her nearly immediately after months of failure.

adnam
Aug 28, 2006

Christmas Whale fully subsidized by ThatsMyBoye
Sorry to post in the new puppy thread, but is there an active dog training thread I missed? I tried searching pet island and couldn't find an active thread, I think the last one was locked since last posting was in 2018. Thank you!

Instant Jellyfish
Jul 3, 2007

Actually not a fish.



I don’t think there is one currently but feel free to post training stuff here!

gizmojumpjet
Feb 21, 2006

Fill your bowl to the brim and it will spill. Keep sharpening your knife and it will blunt.
Grimey Drawer
So, let's talk Bingo, shall we?

I took Bingo to his one month check-up at the vet on Monday the 5th. On his first visit he weighed 31.4 lbs, now he's up to 43.1 pounds over the course of 4 weeks. His ribs no longer stick out and he is turning into a very strong and athletic dog. He continues to be excellent with kids, other adults, and other dogs. We are at about a 75% success rate of not jumping up on people and being polite. I credit this with training the neighboorhood kids to help me train him. I give them treats, they give Bingo treats and pets when he sits politely.

Over the past couple of weeks he's been a bit of a pill when I get home, basically demanding constant attention and trips outside. I can't blame him for this since my work schedule has had me working 12 hour days, so he's been spending a lot of time in his kennel. The good news is I start a new work-from-home job in three weeks so I'll be around to entertain him and take him for short walks while I answer emails and do generic office stuff from the comfort of my living room. I'm not giving my current employer notice because FUUUUUCK YOOOUUUU so I'll have three weeks to work on establishing a new daily schedule.

I've also decided I need a new vehicle. I have a small Ford Ranger pickup truck which has been an excellent commuter vehicle for me, very reliable and cheap to maintain and most importantly: paid off. However, since it only has two seats it's just not working for me and a large-ish dog who promises to keep getting larger. Even with his seatbelt harness clip-in strap at its shortest adjustment he can and does still come over and sit in my lap when I'm driving, which simply won't do. It's time for a vehicle with a back seat.

It's funny, the things he gets frightened of: small children, pinatas, the garbage truck, plastic bags. All but the garbage trucks will set him into a barking frenzy. If the garbage truck drive by when we're out for a walk he will simply try to nope-out in the most opposite direction available.

It's been interesting having a dog with long legs. For the past forty years my family has had, in order, a dachsund, a cocker spaniel, a cardigan Welsh Corgi (best dog ever) and another cocker spaniel.

Anyhoo, my dog is awesome and he seems happy to be living with me.

Boxman
Sep 27, 2004

Big fan of :frog:


A dog name story - when I was a kid my family picked up a stray and decided to foster it while it was being placed. We didn’t want a second dog so we called her Girl as a placeholder name so we wouldn’t get too attached. Needless to say, it was a foster fail and by then we couldn’t imagine calling her anything else.

Oddly, ~20 years later, I have a dog named Lady, short for Ladybug. I’m working my way up the nobility ranks, I suppose.

adnam
Aug 28, 2006

Christmas Whale fully subsidized by ThatsMyBoye

Instant Jellyfish posted:

I don’t think there is one currently but feel free to post training stuff here!

Thank you, still reading the old locked thread but will do!

StrixNebulosa
Feb 14, 2012

You cheated not only the game, but yourself.
But most of all, you cheated BABA

It is day 999999 and Apollo has still not figured out that he shouldn't lie down at the top of the stairs and just stare at us when we want to go downstairs. buddy. pal.

ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013

Sounds to me like it's you who hasn't figured it out yet!.

SEKCobra
Feb 28, 2011

Hi
:saddowns: Don't look at my site :saddowns:
So I already felt like something was up when she didn't finish her breakfast two days ago (She stopped about halfway). She then also didn't finish her dinner. After that she had a night and day of two-ended expulsions. We couldn't come up with any event before that where she might have managed to poison herself.

Harvey Mantaco
Mar 6, 2007

Someone please help me find my keys =(
"I know, we'll feed the cat on the table where the puppy can't get"
Dog: *grows, gains incredible leaping power*


Ah, poo poo.

Sab669
Sep 24, 2009

Harvey Mantaco posted:

"I know, we'll feed the cat on the table where the puppy can't get"
Dog: *grows, gains incredible leaping power*


Ah, poo poo.

The very first day I brought Bonnie home from the shelter, she saunters into the kitchen and jumps right up onto the kitchen table :staredog: very "wtf have I done" moment

Harvey Mantaco
Mar 6, 2007

Someone please help me find my keys =(

Sab669 posted:

The very first day I brought Bonnie home from the shelter, she saunters into the kitchen and jumps right up onto the kitchen table :staredog: very "wtf have I done" moment

I'm going to make a box to feed the cat in I guess. I can't put his food much higher, he's getting a bit older and I don't want him to have to have to take the great leap everytime he wants to eat :\

single-mode fiber
Dec 30, 2012

Basic Poster posted:

I'm an EE so my touchpoints there are like oiler, Nyquist, reimann, Maxwell, faraday, etc.

Originally I was going to name my dog based off something to do with his physical appearance, but after bringing him home and seeing how he liked to stick to me like a magnet, I ultimately decided on Max, as in short for Maxwell, for the same reason as above. Of course, most of the time I don't even use his name unless I really want to get his attention or get him interested in something, so I probably ended up spending more time trying to plan his name than really necessary.

Tayter Swift
Nov 18, 2002

Pillbug
Tater was going to be named Pomme Frites but I figured that'd be a bit too pretentious. Also my mom couldn't pronounce it.

Basic Poster
May 11, 2015

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

On Facebook

single-mode fiber posted:

Originally I was going to name my dog based off something to do with his physical appearance, but after bringing him home and seeing how he liked to stick to me like a magnet, I ultimately decided on Max, as in short for Maxwell, for the same reason as above. Of course, most of the time I don't even use his name unless I really want to get his attention or get him interested in something, so I probably ended up spending more time trying to plan his name than really necessary.

I went with LeRoy. It just seemed to suit him 🤷

Harvey Mantaco
Mar 6, 2007

Someone please help me find my keys =(
Are these zits? Noticed Casey (8mo) getting them near her nipple and tummy area. Never saw zits on any other dogs we've owned.

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
I can't tell, are you sure it's not a tick? Kinda looks like a tick.

Instant Jellyfish
Jul 3, 2007

Actually not a fish.



My dogs get fly bites that look like that this time of year.

Harvey Mantaco
Mar 6, 2007

Someone please help me find my keys =(

HootTheOwl posted:

I can't tell, are you sure it's not a tick? Kinda looks like a tick.

Checked with a vet student i know to hold us over until we can go into the vet proper. Shouldn't be a concern unless they start looking rough...

Instant Jellyfish
Jul 3, 2007

Actually not a fish.



Scout really loves fastcat. I really love the faces she makes while running fastcat.

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HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
Brisket here stealing corgo valor

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