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ground turkey seems like the way to go from that chart
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Jun 16, 2022 19:12
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on the food animal / politics front, I'd like to see more municipalities allow backyard hens. I think there's real potential there for supplementing food security, and a niche to be filled in the garden / compost system of a more sustainable household.
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Jun 16, 2022 19:22
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It was at least briefly allowed in my neighbourhood as part of a pilot program. I considered it but ultimately decided it wasn't worth the expense and effort to build a lunchbox for the raccoons
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Jun 16, 2022 19:29
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run on sentience posted:I can't see anything actually changing wrt meat consumption or farming practices either until meat is waaaay too expensive to both buy and raise. It's already expensive but I doubt most people who aren't in poverty have cut back on meat any more than they've cut back on driving. It's going to be lab grown meat that will overtake regular suffer-burgers. Forcibly breeding and killing animals will no longer economically viable. A generation later the majority of people will be disturbed and disgusted by the idea of raising a sentient being just to kill them for a sandwich. It's a real shame that most people will demand you reshape society and food production rather than just buying something else at the grocery store.
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Jun 16, 2022 19:30
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They were about to allow chickens in Winnipeg but that was right around the time the avian flu started spreading rapidly so they decided against it.
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Jun 16, 2022 19:37
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DrBox posted:It's going to be lab grown meat that will overtake regular suffer-burgers. Forcibly breeding and killing animals will no longer economically viable. A generation later the majority of people will be disturbed and disgusted by the idea of raising a sentient being just to kill them for a sandwich. It's a real shame that most people will demand you reshape society and food production rather than just buying something else at the grocery store. "It just isn't the same without the hint of suffering flavoring every bite" would probably be the response to that. I'm all for switching to non-meat as long as it's got a similar taste and texture. I'll definitely be looking into seitan as a chicken substitute, and if it wasn't for the cost, I would have switched to impossible burgers long ago (it is noticeably different in texture from a good regular burger, but I've had worse burgers than the impossible burger so I'll take it)
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Jun 16, 2022 19:39
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We should just be allowed to use net guns in the city and eat all the geese ruining our parks. They're as delicious as they are annoying.
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Jun 16, 2022 19:47
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Slotducks posted:imagine eating meat in this economy Imagine eating in this economy.
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Jun 16, 2022 19:51
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EvilJoven posted:We should just be allowed to use net guns in the city and eat all the geese ruining our parks. They're as delicious as they are annoying. I've always wondered what Canada goose would taste like. Some lady by the river at the Legislature was dancing around with a flock of them while feeding them and I think that should be considered an act of terrorism, possibly treason.
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Jun 16, 2022 19:57
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They're tough if you don't prepare em right but goose legs in a crock pot with my wife's sauce is basically the best thing ever.
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Jun 16, 2022 20:04
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eXXon posted:don't give ground meat an exemption, get rid of the exemptions altogether, account for cooking modifications if you have to, and gently caress beef anyway it's awful for the environment and should be taxed to oblivion Ground beef is a large part of the diet for the poor and people on government assistance. Mostly because its cheap, quick/easy to cook, and easy to access. Making that cost more without reducing cost on healthier alternatives is just going to gently caress over the worst off people. Im not singling you out or anything, but there is a real lack of knowledge and exposure to how bad poor Canadians fare these days by a lot of people that post here. The longer I work at the addictions clinic and actually talk to these people the more I realize just how awful being stuck on something like ODSP really is. Their lives are just a constant battle to stay afloat already, and thats before our provincial government starts to claw back even more benefits and cut away more of the social safety net.
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Jun 16, 2022 20:17
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EvilJoven posted:We should just be allowed to use net guns in the city and eat all the geese ruining our parks. They're as delicious as they are annoying. I should kill and eat any animal that poses a mild inconvenience. My neighbors dog barks a lot and there is this cat that keeps making GBS threads in my flowerbeds so I'm firing up the grill and taking care of business. Next up, those cyclists getting in my way when I'm trying to enjoy a walk on the city trails.
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Jun 16, 2022 20:21
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Furnaceface posted:Ground beef is a large part of the diet for the poor and people on government assistance. Mostly because its cheap, quick/easy to cook, and easy to access. Making that cost more without reducing cost on healthier alternatives is just going to gently caress over the worst off people. Labelling it as unhealthy would lead to a lower price because people who can afford other options will buy less of it, so I think you two kind of agree. That’s exactly why the lobby group is fighting the label.
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Jun 16, 2022 20:33
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Slotducks posted:
Noice!  Going on like 30 years now for me lol. infernal machines posted:It was at least briefly allowed in my neighbourhood as part of a pilot program. I considered it but ultimately decided it wasn't worth the expense and effort to build a lunchbox for the raccoons Had a neighbour with chickens when I lived in North York. When we planted a whole bunch of tress around our property (70+ emerald cedars) he complained about the shade affecting his tomatoes. I told him to stfu or the city would find out about his chickens. We became good friends after that lol.
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Jun 16, 2022 20:43
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vegetarian since right before the pandemic
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How big was your property/how small are emerald cedars?
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Jun 16, 2022 21:13
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DrBox posted:I should kill and eat any animal that poses a mild inconvenience. My neighbors dog barks a lot and there is this cat that keeps making GBS threads in my flowerbeds so I'm firing up the grill and taking care of business. Won't somebody think of the poor nuisance animals! 
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Jun 16, 2022 21:23
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EvilJoven posted:Won't somebody think of the poor nuisance animals! Well when you put it that way yes, slaughtering birds for the crime of being noisy near you is entirely justified
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Jun 16, 2022 21:35
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They're literally nuisance animals, declared over abundant, and there are several programs currently in place to try to reduce their numbers. And yes they're also annoying and tasty af and I'm going to kill and eat as many as I can.
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Jun 16, 2022 21:44
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EvilJoven posted:They're literally nuisance animals, declared over abundant, and there are several programs currently in place to try to reduce their numbers. Oh I was unaware that they were actually overpopulated, that's different then gently caress 'em. "Nuisance animal" alone doesn't really tell me much, and just being a nuisance animal isn't grounds for extermination. Reading up on how destructive their overpopulation has been makes a much more convincing case.
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Jun 16, 2022 22:01
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Yinlock posted:Oh I was unaware that they were actually overpopulated, that's different then gently caress 'em. Geese and deer can seriously gently caress up an ecosystem if their populations see a quick spike. We see both as issues every now and then all across Canada. Its weird since we think of both as being so harmless.
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Jun 16, 2022 22:05
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They also tried to do a 9/11. Never forget.
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Jun 16, 2022 22:08
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Ya there's a spring hunt that usually bears little to no game because they're trying to just target greater Canada's local to the area. On top of that there's dogs hired to drive em off and sometimes nest fouling operations but those generally get cancelled when people find out because they think baby geese are cute. So far it hasn't put a dent in the population. Down south they've done controlled hunts on golf courses and the like and there's videos of local karens losing their poo poo about it.
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Jun 16, 2022 22:14
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Didn't realize Geese were a problem, I thought an American friend was saying they have protected status where they live.
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Jun 16, 2022 22:18
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They are a problem if you've built in their nesting grounds or own a golf course You also need a permit to kill them. You are a psychopath if you get so angry at them you want to kill them I get chased by them if they have babies and I run too close to them. Gives me a bit of an adrenaline spike to increase my pace.
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Jun 16, 2022 22:41
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They're nesting in the medians of arterial roads and getting run the gently caress over and stuff.
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Jun 16, 2022 22:45
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Madkal posted:Why would you say telling people not to eat meat and not to drink is the same as Catholic guilt? Right now I just feel like I am reading the postings of Morrissey (the anti-immigration posts by Morissey to be exact). run on sentience posted:It would absolutely deter me from eating meat. I already loathe myself for it and the only way I can do it is to not think about the animal suffering. I would welcome those labels. "The government should put warning labels on everything I'm too weak-willed to simply avoid eating, and should send someone to my house to spank me if I think about having a burger!" Make your own choices, of course, I really don't give a poo poo what people do or do not choose to eat, but stop acting like it's the responsibility of the rest of society to validate your strange neuroses.
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Jun 16, 2022 23:10
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I took it for granted that they were such a huge problem everywhere. I think they are a beautiful bird and I wish them no suffering but they are a menace here and not just to humans. I don't know much about hunting them but I say if it can cull them and feed people then great. One thing they do here is abort the eggs, basically. They poke them with a needle and destroy the embryo but the egg is intact so they keep sitting on it instead of laying more. It's unfortunate, but they can't just be left unchecked. I read an article recently about how they purposely brought them to I think Newfoundland maybe? and they are now realizing that was not a great idea.
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Jun 16, 2022 23:11
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PT6A posted:"The government should put warning labels on everything I'm too weak-willed to simply avoid eating, and should send someone to my house to spank me if I think about having a burger!" "I don't want to see warning labels because I already know my lifestyle is unhealthy and don't want to be reminded!"
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Jun 16, 2022 23:12
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run on sentience posted:I don't know much about hunting them but I say if it can cull them and feed people then great. One thing they do here is abort the eggs, basically. They poke them with a needle and destroy the embryo but the egg is intact so they keep sitting on it instead of laying more. It's unfortunate, but they can't just be left unchecked. How is it unfortunate? The geese population doesn't become a problem, the current geese don't get distressed, and no living creatures have to die. If anything, it's actual ideal.
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Jun 16, 2022 23:13
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PT6A posted:"The government should put warning labels on everything I'm too weak-willed to simply avoid eating, and should send someone to my house to spank me if I think about having a burger!" I'm sorry you feel the need to act out about your internalized shame instead of speaking honestly about it. The only person I shame for eating meat is myself. Why does that upset you? What does it matter whether I stop eating meat on my own or because I was influenced by the government if the net result is good for myself and the planet?
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Jun 16, 2022 23:17
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PT6A posted:How is it unfortunate? The geese population doesn't become a problem, the current geese don't get distressed, and no living creatures have to die. If anything, it's actual ideal. It's substantially more humane but it can actually cause them distress when the eggs start to rot. I'm not losing sleep over it but I wish it didn't have to happen.
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Jun 16, 2022 23:21
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The tl;dr is that Canada geese were nearly driven to extinction last century, became protected, and had breeding pairs introduced in various places, which seemingly developed into resident (non-migratory) colonies. The resident variety don't/can't migrate, don't tend to intermingle with their migratory cousins, might be bigger jerks, or perhaps are just growing in population less sustainably than the migratory honkers because they can eat grass and suburbia is full of the stuff.
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Jun 16, 2022 23:24
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run on sentience posted:I'm sorry you feel the need to act out about your internalized shame instead of speaking honestly about it. The only person I shame for eating meat is myself. Why does that upset you? I'm not saying you can't do whatever you like, I'm saying this weird sense of shame would make the Pope himself say "that's really a bit much".
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Jun 16, 2022 23:27
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PT6A posted:I'm not saying you can't do whatever you like, I'm saying this weird sense of shame would make the Pope himself say "that's really a bit much". Is all shame bad? In 2022 we have the ability to feed ourselves in a better way that minimizes the impact on our health, the environment, and the animals. Instead we're loving up all three because people are entitled and selfish and are ok with exploitation, suffering and oppression as long as it tastes good. gently caress animals is something tankies and chuds can get behind. It's like everyone turns into a cartoon villain as soon as food is involved. Even rural rancher loving types are pushing back against the worst of it. It's pretty fun to watch them fight through the cognitive dissonance. Alberta beef! Meat and potatoes! Ranchers are heroes! Oh wait, not like that! https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/local/edmonton/2022/4/27/1_5879360.amp.html
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Jun 16, 2022 23:36
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You wouldn't need a batman style net gun to get geese. Don't need to shoot them at all. If the collapse happens and poo poo gets really dire you could just walk up to them and wang them in the neck with a 2x4. Quick and painless enough ethical kill. Please don't do that unless the grocery stores are all looted and or burned to the ground and we are getting mad max style.
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Jun 17, 2022 00:06
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An excellent username/post combo
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Jun 17, 2022 00:07
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DrBox posted:Is all shame bad? In 2022 we have the ability to feed ourselves in a better way that minimizes the impact on our health, the environment, and the animals. Instead we're loving up all three because people are entitled and selfish and are ok with exploitation, suffering and oppression as long as it tastes good. gently caress animals is something tankies and chuds can get behind. It's like everyone turns into a cartoon villain as soon as food is involved. Yes, let’s all become Jain monks and aspire to starve to death lest we cause death and suffering to someone or something. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digambara_monk
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Jun 17, 2022 00:14
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Kraftwerk posted:Yes, let’s all become Jain monks and aspire to starve to death lest we cause death and suffering to someone or something. Or just buy the oat milk instead of cow milk. You don't have to live like a monk, it's literally changing a few ingredients.
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Jun 17, 2022 00:32
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DrBox posted:Or just buy the oat milk instead of cow milk. You don't have to live like a monk, it's literally changing a few ingredients. Dude have you seen bitcoin? I can’t afford bourgeoise oak milk. To much filthy fiat
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Jun 17, 2022 00:38
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Noblesse Obliged posted:Dude have you seen bitcoin? I can’t afford bourgeoise oak milk. To much filthy fiat True! Luckily all the money saved swapping in lentils or Yves for ground beef will mean you come out ahead.
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Jun 17, 2022 00:52
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