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GATOS Y VATOS posted:Everyone's talking about missing Hemmer but not noticing missing Uhura? Starfleet takes off-days very seriously. Like the one time Riker became a god for a few hours and nobody told Troi.
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Im gonna have to watch STV again, gently caress you SNW Honestly it's good to leave characters out if there's nothing for them to do, this has always been a big problem with ST shows where you have to have A through G plots to accommodate everyone. This is how you get Neelix on away team missions, people.
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HD DAD posted:I really hope Angel comes back with Sybok, and they just become the Team Rocket of SNW. I mean the actress for Angel is Jesse James, so that's basically already the case. Froghammer posted:Gene Roddenberry reportedly hated space pirates and forbade them from ever appearing on screen while he was alive Gene confirmed to be Samus' dad
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If the pirates had the ingredients for Pike's Chili then why were they eating gruel? Has it been established that Pike is a wizard in the kitchen? Why would the pirates mutiny against the Orion guy when they know their real captain is onboard the Enterprise? This show is fun but the scripts are always half-baked.
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My biggest beef with this SNW is calling away teams 'landing parties'
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Typical Pubbie posted:If the pirates had the ingredients for Pike's Chili then why were they eating gruel? Has it been established that Pike is a wizard in the kitchen? Why would the pirates mutiny against the Orion guy when they know their real captain is onboard the Enterprise? This show is fun but the scripts are always half-baked. respectively: because the Orion guy prefers the slop; yes, multiple times now; because they think the Orion guy is going to try to abandon the captain and the half of the pirate crew on the Enterprise to take the Serene Squall over to Klingon territory to sell the Enterprise crew as slaves and pocket the cash
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God this was such a fun episode. Okay, so I'm a nonbinary trans woman (she/they), so when I realized Arden/Angel was gonna turn EVIL I felt a sense of dread because this could go either way (I mean, first enby character on the show being a deceptive villain? You gotta hit that perfectly) but they loving nailed it. They are glorious. I want to see Angel come back once a season to gently caress with the enterprise and maybe the occasional two-parter. Also for folks who had trouble catching Angel's pronoun's on the first watch: I caught their enby vibes pretty much immediately, but I am also an enby with a lot of enby friends. However, I looked up the actor and was like "Oh, she/her pronouns? Maybe the character is the same?" So a little confusion is understandable.
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The Chairman posted:respectively: because the Orion guy prefers the slop; yes, multiple times now; because they think the Orion guy is going to try to abandon the captain and the half of the pirate crew on the Enterprise to take the Serene Squall over to Klingon territory to sell the Enterprise crew as slaves and pocket the cash But then why dont they call Captain Angel and tell them what's happening? Or better yet, why doesn't Captain Angel call them after they take control of the Enterprise? Hours, possibly days pass between when Angel takes control and when T'Pring arrives. My biggest problem with Pike's cooking is they don't show us Pike cooking. The fate of the crew rests on his cooking skill and they skip right past it. They could have given us Iron Chef: Star Trek. Typical Pubbie fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Jun 17, 2022 |
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hiddenriverninja posted:My biggest beef with this SNW is calling away teams 'landing parties' That’s what they were called in TOS.
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https://blog.trekcore.com/2022/06/terry-matalas-star-trek-picard-inglorious-treksperts-interview/quote:“In a weird way, ‘Picard’ has become an anthology, in that Season 1 is very different from Season 2 — from Michael [Chabon’s] vision to Akiva [Goldsman’s] deep dive — to Season 3, [which] is different from those two. Terry Matalas crediting Akiva Goldsman for Season 2 of Picard. He desperately wants to showrun something in the 2401 timeframe.
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Years and years of internet posts talking about how Sybok is the best ST movie villain has me feeling a recognized for him being featured as the seemingly culminating antagonist for this show. Sybok rules.
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Super Deuce posted:Sybok rules. he's so jolly https://i.imgur.com/eRN3dy7.mp4
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xerxus posted:https://blog.trekcore.com/2022/06/terry-matalas-star-trek-picard-inglorious-treksperts-interview/ If I were him, I'd desperately be throwing Goldsman under that bus too to try and salvage my career.
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xerxus posted:https://blog.trekcore.com/2022/06/terry-matalas-star-trek-picard-inglorious-treksperts-interview/ This just reads to me like “no one had any idea what to do with this show beyond saying Stewart is back, and it took me coming in to convince everyone to do a TNG reunion like everyone wanted”.
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Arglebargle III posted:Oh my lack of God That's how you know it's an illusion. Pike's hair isn't 5 feet tall.
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nine-gear crow posted:If I were him, I'd desperately be throwing Goldsman under that bus too to try and salvage my career. Oh for sure, Picard would definitely jeopardize his career lolol Just laughing at the constant idea that an industry which is chock full of terrible products made by the same people who get work after they make said terrible products will reject a guy because he made a show that is bad For real though, look at how many people in this thread absolutely LOATHE Discovery and Picard and can't loving WAIT to watch them at 3AM on Thursday morning to complain endlessly about them. Or RLM who watches it, makes reviews about it, and gets more people to watch it. That's a success in the eyes of the industry. If these shows were actual failures, no one would be watching them, and no one would be talking about them. Charity Porno fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Jun 17, 2022 |
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Actual Satan posted:You forgot about Hemmer, as did the last episode Who sorry, doesn't ring a bell.
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Charity Porno posted:Oh for sure, Picard would definitely jeopardize his career lolol Nice meltdown
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Arglebargle III posted:Nice meltdown Yeah I'm the one melting down, not the people who can't go one day without mentioning the devil Kurtzman and insisting people's careers will be ruined by this bad Trek they can't stop watching
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I thought it was interesting that they introduced Stonn (the guy T'Pring cheats on Spock with in "Amok Time") in this episode too
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Arglebargle III posted:Oh my lack of God What have they done to his glorious hair???
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 Before this, I mostly knew Anson Mount as the dour ex Confederate out for grim revenge, humorless and merciless on the mid tier Hell on Wheels. So it's kind of a surprise to see him just ooze charisma and charm as Chris Pike. While he did a good job as Cullen Bohannon, it seems this is much more his wheelhouse. It reminds me of Timothy Olyphant, who I mostly knew as the grim, dour, humorless Seth Bullock in Deadwood. Turns out he oozes charisma and charm, first as Raylan Givens and then in alllll the comedic roles and cameos he's been doing. Another thing I think that works for this show is that the cast has insanely good chemistry. They play well off of each other whether comedy, or romance, or peril is what's called for. I don't think there's another crew that's as loose as this Enterprise crew on any of the other Main Show Ships
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Charity Porno posted:Oh for sure, Picard would definitely jeopardize his career lolol i think a lot of people started out watching them but dipped when they realised they were awful, then would hear every so often about all the bad things happening because they still like star trek in general, so it maintains a kind of tangential interest for people who aren't necessarily watching it. franchises are built so that they will have an audience regardless of quality, so you can't really judge it by the standards of a new show absolutely nobody gives a poo poo about. why would they? with a new star trek show, you have automatic poo poo giving. people will hang around on fumes - up to a point! and then eventually they realise that this poo poo hasn't been good to them for a while now. maybe in ep1, maybe in ep 20, but that's really the mark of failure for something like picard. might not immediate. it leads to a lot of repetitive discussion because everyone is on a different point in the 'actually, gently caress this' timeline, but as much as you can point out to the individual that they are being dumb for persisting with something they aren't enjoying, the fault does lie with the show for starting that process. a lot of people are saying SNW is great and the best star trek has been in ages, etc. individually the episodes are variable but pretty strong overall. i don't think it's wearing the goodwill/patience of a pre-existing audience, if anything it's replenishing it. roomtone fucked around with this message at 22:53 on Jun 17, 2022 |
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Charity Porno posted:More of next week: Can I preemptively make an episode my favorite of the season?
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roomtone posted:i think a lot of people started out watching them but dipped when they realised they were awful, then would hear every so often about all the bad things happening because they still like star trek in general, so it maintains a kind of tangential interest for people who aren't necessarily watching it. I've hate watched 2 seasons of Picard and 4 seasons of Disco. Honestly, I kinda hate myself for it. TNG-era Trek was and remains my favourite shows of all time, they were a foundational part of my life growing up, and I'm so desperate for more that I found myself watching hot garbage because it reused a few motifs and sound effects. I hated that I was watching absolute poo poo 'for the brand' when there is so much genuinely amazing television out there right now, but Hey Look It's S1 TNG Uniform On Disco! That's apparently enough? Oh hey a Trill! Ugh. I think SNW objectively is so far always good, but never great, Trek. I don't see this being a show that can hit the heights of Measure of a Man or IIIITSSSS RRRRREEEAAALLL or even Terra Firma. But unlike old Trek there's also no stinkers, and it's also a show thats got enough Trek identity to scratch the itch while also knowing and leaning hard into what it is, that being the fun goofy space adventures with likeable characters. There's a confidence to this show that you rarely see in anything, and it's infectious. It's not an all-time great show either mind. It's cribbing as much from Firefly as it is from TOS, and Firefly did it all better. But it's a fun show with cool characters doing dumb space adventures that occasionally hit an emotional or ethical note, the cast is universally absolutely amazing, the writing is....all over the place, but it's great enough of the time to offset the bad, and I feel weird trying to even critique it because it's absolutely something you should just sit back and enjoy and not think about too much. I don't love it. But I really, really, really like it. And that's enough.
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roomtone posted:i think a lot of people started out watching them but dipped when they realised they were awful, then would hear every so often about all the bad things happening because they still like star trek in general, so it maintains a kind of tangential interest for people who aren't necessarily watching it. I'm not so sure. Obviously the somethingawful.com forums NuTrek thread is not perfectly representative of the audience as a whole, but there are a LOT of people here who lob very specific complaints at episodes the day they stream. And when I've mentioned they could just not watch, they act like it's an insane idea and "watching something you hate is fun." Which is fine, but you can't watch something religiously and then claim it's failing so hard it's going to ruin careers because YOU ARE CONTRIBUTING TO ITS SUCCESS. quote:franchises are built so that they will have an audience regardless of quality, so you can't really judge it by the standards of a new show absolutely nobody gives a poo poo about. why would they? with a new star trek show, you have automatic poo poo giving. people will hang around on fumes - up to a point! and then eventually they realise that this poo poo hasn't been good to them for a while now. maybe in ep1, maybe in ep 20, but that's really the mark of failure for something like picard. might not immediate. I agree, but at the end of the day, Picard is a success. I'd say 85 percent, minimum, of the people who complain weekly about it (myself included!) will watch the final season every week. It's a terrible show! It's had a single good episode (201.) But no one is going to lose their lucrative producing or writing career over it, because at the end of the day they wrote a poo poo show people hate but watch. quote:it leads to a lot of repetitive discussion because everyone is on a different point in the 'actually, gently caress this' timeline, but as much as you can point out to the individual that they are being dumb for persisting with something they aren't enjoying, the fault does lie with the show for starting that process. SNW on its own merits is very strong, which is why it's so tiresome to continuously hear about how last week's episode must have been KURTZMAN'S doing because a few people didn't like it. It's a stupid boogeyman.
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I really wish I knew a person reasonably familiar with TOS in real life that I could share the ridiculous parts of this show with. Basically, I want to text a buddy "lol it's a goddamned stage play on the bridge" and have them understand that this is conceptually hilarious for reasons that are difficult to explain. Instead I will do it here. What I'm not sure of is how this show lands without that context. I know a couple of people that seem to like it because it's a space adventure that feels approachable. The show isn't anchored in fan service, there's more of a stylistic link to things. The show rhymes with types of Star Trek they haven't done in a while. But does that hit with viewers that don't have an existing anchor to the show?
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I think “really, really good but not mind blowing” alone makes this the best first season of a live-action Trek, barring TOS.
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Khanstant posted:if i had a dollar for everytime charity porno lost his mind over somebody not liking something theyre watching, i'd be able to make my own trek from scratch for people to watch and not like It's not about "not liking" it, it's about endlessly whining that it's a failure that is the cause of The True Satan Alex Kurtzman like who gives a poo poo, you hate it, we fuckin get it Picard has been off the air for almost two months and we STILL have to hear about how terrible it was. We know dude, we all agree. Let's get more hot RLM and MajorGrin takes that we literally whine about "points" they missed
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It's not taking risks, the plots are familiar. SNW is just pounding out a solid 6/10 every week. Which feels amazing given the poo poo they've been shoveling for so long. I hope they'll do something more with it once they're comfortable, I expect season 2 to take some more risks.
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Charity Porno posted:It's not about "not liking" it, it's about endlessly whining that it's a failure that is the cause of The True Satan Alex Kurtzman like who gives a poo poo, you hate it, we fuckin get it No discussing Star Trek in the Star Trek TV Discussion Thread. Picard and Disco absolutely loving suck but like in weird interesting ways so discussing it is fun?
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God drat there hasn't been a single episode yet of this Star Trek season that I would describe as "bad." Keep the 267 executive producers away from this show for as long as possible and let the creative team run with it. The joke was going to read 27 executive producers but I typo'd it and liked it better, because 27 is a bit too close to the actual number to be as funny.
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Pastamania posted:No discussing Star Trek in the Star Trek TV Discussion Thread. Yeah, it’s fun speculating what the absolute gently caress went wrong with these shows, though I’ll argue Disco is just boring bad now. Picard on the other hand is just a bizarre train wreck. On the other hand, I do get Charity Porno’s point. There are absolutely some people out there pushing the “buh buh but Alex Kurtzman’s name is in the credits, so it’s literally impossible this show is anything other than bad” message, especially in reference to SNW, and that can get old fast.
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