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Platystemon posted:I stole it from /r/electricians. I dunno if I'd trust that it's not bearing much load given how much deflection we can see. Like, loving SOMETHING is pushing those stubs down and that something is probably roof related given that there's not much more above it. I mean, maybe it's not much load in absolute terms but gently caress it seems like that's just a bad thing to be going on under the stuff that keeps rain off my poo poo.
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Cyrano4747 posted:I dunno if I'd trust that it's not bearing much load given how much deflection we can see. Like, loving SOMETHING is pushing those stubs down and that something is probably roof related given that there's not much more above it. I mean, maybe it's not much load in absolute terms but gently caress it seems like that's just a bad thing to be going on under the stuff that keeps rain off my poo poo. Well the problem is that it’s bearing some load, but it has approximately zero strength. All I’m saying is that this isn’t a bathtub joist situation. Someone could get beaned by the lights when the drop ceiling lives up to its name, but it’s not going to bring the house down.
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Platystemon posted:Well the problem is that it’s bearing some load, but it has approximately zero strength. My question is whether the drop ceiling alone has enough weight to deflect it that much. I'm less worried about the problem if it's an unsupported load hanging off the bottom of the beam, since yeah not that much that it could be holding up. What concerns me is that the load might be a compression load coming in from the sides, which would mean roof or whatever is holding the roof onto the rest of the building.
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Cyrano4747 posted:My question is whether the drop ceiling alone has enough weight to deflect it that much. I'm less worried about the problem if it's an unsupported load hanging off the bottom of the beam, since yeah not that much that it could be holding up. What concerns me is that the load might be a compression load coming in from the sides, which would mean roof or whatever is holding the roof onto the rest of the building. Maybe? They’re electricians, not structural engineers, which is why they should pass up the job. Not worth the liability. It looks to me like the cut beams are made of different lumber than the surrounding structure, which is a suggestion that they may not be integral to its overall integrity, but it’s by no means definitive. Platystemon fucked around with this message at 14:17 on Jun 16, 2022 |
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That looks like the cut 2x4's can't support their own cantilevered weight and dropped down a bit, not serious structural deflection. e: mr.belowaverage posted:Hahaha the drop ceiling frame is secured to those newly cantilevered pieces on the left. Probably also on the right. or the drop ceiling weight pulling them down! not great still of course, but maybe not "roof about to collapse" level bad like a certain bathtub struture.
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Ja, guessing that someone below noticed the drop ceiling grid dipping in that are and went up to investigate. I'd need a wider shot to know if these are the roof rafters holding the roof joists (the angled framing that the roof & sheathing sit on) in shape & preventing roof splay under load (& would therefore be under tension in load), or if they're some kind of non-load thing for the ceiling span.
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https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-boring-company-las-vegas-tunnels-tesla-1849069849quote:Elon’s One-Lane Vegas Tesla Tunnels Expanding Into Full Boondoggle
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Will it still be a single lane?
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Arrath posted:Will it still be a single lane? I think it kinda has to be, that's how they make the holes cheaply. Cost per mile probably increases with the square or cube of the diameter. It seems pretty necessary though? Ignoring the claims of what they might do one day taking the bus in vegas sucks. Taking cars in often sucks too. If this is an alternative to those and goes 30mph thats like twice as fast as a bus. If this thing can get you to popular places at twice the speed of the bus and much cheaper than an Uber, while also adding nothing to traffic...isn't that good?
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CarForumPoster posted:I think it kinda has to be, that's how they make the holes cheaply. Cost per mile probably increases with the square or cube of the diameter. An actual subway could do so at a far higher capacity, and they're already doing the whole "drilling tunnels". Also without traffic jams that have already happened in the test tunnel and less chance of catastrophic accident that can't be escaped because of how these tunnels are set up.
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SkyeAuroline posted:An actual subway could do so at a far higher capacity, and they're already doing the whole "drilling tunnels". Also the subway turns out to be cheaper to build than these Musk death tunnels.
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SkyeAuroline posted:An actual subway could do so at a far higher capacity, and they're already doing the whole "drilling tunnels". Yup. Reinventing the wheel but with fuckin tesla's in a little single lane tunnel is so much lower throughput than a plain old subway. Why not install commuter ziplines or gondolas between the casino high rises, they'll probably get more people through than these dumb little tunnels.
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You laugh, but Austin was thinking about installing a gondola system at one point: https://www.kxan.com/news/proposal-for-urban-gondola-system-in-austin-will-not-move-forward/
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Zil posted:Also the subway turns out to be cheaper to build than these Musk death tunnels. I had originally added "and cheaper" but didn't have numbers on hand and didn't want to make a claim I couldn't back up. Arrath posted:Yup. Reinventing the wheel but with fuckin tesla's in a little single lane tunnel is so much lower throughput than a plain old subway. Hire the RIPline guys and it would still be safer than the Musk tunnels.
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quote:But the Boring Company has fallen far from its lofty ambitions in 2017, and as much as the company wants to say its tunnels aren’t a subway, they’re just a subway. Comparing that dumb tunnel to actual mass transit is an insult
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brugroffil posted:Comparing that dumb tunnel to actual mass transit is an insult Yeah, any "mass" transit that involves individual, personal cars isn't.
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quote:will instead fund the project through its own money and any private land owners who are willing to pay for a station.
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They pay to have a station put in? Will they receive a cut of fares or something? Land rent?
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Man, it’s almost like all those sticks a house are built out of are actually necessary or something.
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Arrath posted:They pay to have a station put in? Will they receive a cut of fares or something? Land rent? A station brings traffic to your establishment. If the death tunnels really take off, anyone not on the line will be second rate.
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SkyeAuroline posted:I had originally added "and cheaper" but didn't have numbers on hand and didn't want to make a claim I couldn't back up. Anything running on electricity generated in one place and conducted via cable/rail will always be loads cheaper than anything running on a battery.
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Let's add more stopping points to the single-lane personal car chute. That ought to make it go faster!
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Is that a nice big chunk of exposed copper wiring at the bottom, too?
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34 miles, 55 stations, and everyone has to stop at every one of them because it's one lane. That's a bus.
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Why not just expand the monorail in Las Vegas? Is a monorail more expensive than digging out for a subway? Or if going below is cheaper couldn't they just expand the monorail but it goes into a tunnel at some point?
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Clearly the answer is ziplines.
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IncredibleIgloo posted:Why not just expand the monorail in Las Vegas? Is a monorail more expensive than digging out for a subway? Or if going below is cheaper couldn't they just expand the monorail but it goes into a tunnel at some point? On is privately funded and is said to cost the taxpayers nothing, the other costs many million of dollars. They likely could not fit any current monorail designs in the Vegas loop tunnels it’s quite small.
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By the end of this Vegas is going to be a bombed out decaying shell of its former glory, and I'll get to LARP my fave Fallout game!
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By popular demand posted:By the end of this Vegas is going to be a bombed out decaying shell of its former glory, and I'll get to LARP my fave Fallout game! And like Fallout 3, the tunnels will be the worst part!
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Gonna need a massive amount of drug fiends armed with automatic weapons as well.
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By popular demand posted:Gonna need a massive amount of drug fiends armed with automatic weapons as well. They already said it's in Vegas.
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CarForumPoster posted:On is privately funded and is said to cost the taxpayers nothing, the other costs many million of dollars. They likely could not fit any current monorail designs in the Vegas loop tunnels it’s quite small. I cannot bring myself to believe that Musk would do this without getting some tax boondoggle or subsidy that taxpayers pay for directly or indirectly.
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CarForumPoster posted:And like Fallout 3, the tunnels will be the worst part! Those linear levels are booooooooring. Oh, is that why the company is called that?
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https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/1537614474789658626?s=20&t=sicYop9jEVldrAH_xCqB9w https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/32040-W-Chippewa-Ave-Trout-Lake-MI-49793/113536257_zpid/ quote:SPORTSMAN'S GEM located 30 miles from the Bridge. This is a retired elementary school and it has been used and maintained as a memory maker since 2005. This building has operational hot and cold water, septic & well are fully operational. Newer TPO roofing installed 2012 on school. Old boiler needs to be replaced, yet the lines are all pressurized. Comes fully furnished with 19 beds and more. There are 3 bathrooms and 2 shower rooms with multiple showers. The gym has 18ft ceilings, concrete floors and tables which fold out of the wall. Kitchen off the gym is equipped with stove, multiple refrigerators and microwave, sink and storage closet. The building sits on 4 acres and is surrounded by endless federal forest. Gym roof blew off this winter, needs to be replaced. Possible land contract.
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Y'know, that's pretty tempting.
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Y'know, that's pretty tempting. Did you read the part where the roof got blown off the top of it? There's a reason they didn't show more recent photos, I suspect.
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Blindeye posted:Did you read the part where the roof got blown off the top of it? Only in the gym, why would a goon need the gym
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Admiral Joeslop posted:Only in the gym, why would a goon need the gym But it has (had?) an 18ft ceiling, so you can put in a big door and a lift to work on your Miata.
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