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The two lost legions are lost because they add more mystery and confusion to a setting built on mystery and confusion. Narratives are more interesting when things don't always get explained. That's it.
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# ? Jun 13, 2022 13:21 |
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# ? May 25, 2024 13:55 |
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Plus explanations can lead to dumb and bad places, see: everything to do with the Emperor's origins.
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# ? Jun 13, 2022 13:35 |
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moths posted:It's explicitly mentioned in Betrayer, IIRC - which is a neat nod. But I think there's an implication that it was punitive. Was that in the Space Wolves/ Thousand Sons books? I could have sworn there was a mention in one of those about the Space Wolves being used to cleanse at least one the lost legions.
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# ? Jun 13, 2022 13:51 |
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moths posted:But I think there's an implication that it was punitive. This is VERY heavily hinted in Prospero Burns.
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# ? Jun 13, 2022 14:20 |
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Was that in the Space Wolves/ Thousand Sons books? I could have sworn there was a mention in one of those about the Space Wolves being used to cleanse at least one the lost legions. I distinctly remember Lorgar and Magnus talking about their "lost brothers" and what the Emperor had Russ do to them.
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# ? Jun 13, 2022 14:53 |
Cessna posted:This is VERY heavily hinted in Prospero Burns. It is also implied in The First Heretic, with Lorgar being very close with the 11th(?) Primarch and the Gal Vorbak being very tempted to kill said primarch in his incubation pod in order to save the galaxy from the pain that was caused. Oddly enough, even the Gods of Chaos uphold the idea that those records were expunged, as they don't show Argel Tal where the pods of the 2 lost primarchs land in that vision sequence.
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# ? Jun 13, 2022 14:56 |
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Was that in the Space Wolves/ Thousand Sons books? I could have sworn there was a mention in one of those about the Space Wolves being used to cleanse at least one the lost legions. Yeah I think it was Prospero Burns - not Betrayer. Two Ultras in a landspeeder are talking it over as they're clearing civilians out of Lorgar's Perfect City for demolition.
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# ? Jun 14, 2022 01:08 |
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I respect that they've given a lot of information about the two legions over the Horus Heresy books, but still left it somewhat of a mystery. Like the larger picture is fully spelled out: The two Primarchs deviated from acceptable behavior in some way that wasn't falling to Chaos or turning traitor, had to be put down, but their legions themselves were simply mind-wiped and absorbed into the other legions. Mostly Ultramarines. It's not something seen as a righteous smiting but an unfortunate necessity. And they were forgotten not in a social pressure sense, but in a flat out psychically mind-wiped from memory sense. Whatever they did it was knowledge based to some degree, insomuch as knowing what it was they did was itself a threat to the Imperium. And this mind-wiping was something at least a few of the Primarchs that were found by that time agreed to. Many simply hadn't been found by the time the two were memory-holed, and thus did not have to be tampered with. Those Primarchs simply never knew what happened in the first place. There, that's a not entirely detailed but relatively straightforward story. It's still a total mystery that tells you nothing much about them even when one shows up. We know that the Second was quiet, contemplative, and largely humorless. Little things like that. What they actually did? No real clue to narrow it down beyond knowing what it wasn't, and the fact nobody seems to attach any shame to the normal marines of those legions. They could have been a lot more coy or a lot more blunt, but they managed to tell a story with it without removing the role they were intended for.
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# ? Jun 14, 2022 02:12 |
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Each primarch represents an aspect of the Emperor's personality (perhaps a virtue and a vice). What are the two aspects that we would expect to see expressed as Primarchs that aren't? Might give a feel for who the two missing Primarchs were. Their sins were probably exaggerations of their personal flaws.
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# ? Jun 14, 2022 04:26 |
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Two traits the Emperor would conceal from even himself are shame and doubt. But the Emperor has neither of these things! But all men do, and their absence makes a good for those being emblematic of the missing two.
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# ? Jun 14, 2022 05:18 |
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Here's today's legion(s) overview: 9th Legion: Blood Angels quote:+ Legion Overview + 14th Legion: Death Guard quote:+ Legion Overview +
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# ? Jun 14, 2022 06:33 |
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ZM rules recap:
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# ? Jun 14, 2022 08:50 |
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Most of those sound...good? Especially now that my Ashen Circle won't konk their noggins on a bulkhead.
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# ? Jun 14, 2022 13:05 |
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BULBASAUR posted:ZM rules recap: This makes playing a moritat a lot better but also a lot less fun
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# ? Jun 14, 2022 15:24 |
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Yeah, that was a fun, flavorful tradeoff.
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# ? Jun 14, 2022 15:34 |
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With the new Dangerous Terrain rules, having 'jump pack movement = dangerous' would have been far too punishing. It was cute losing a guy once every two or three moves, less so multiple times per move.
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# ? Jun 14, 2022 16:15 |
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if you do not relish the chance to become a red smear on a bulkhead, do you really have the right to wear a jump pack?
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# ? Jun 14, 2022 17:09 |
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GreenMarine posted:Each primarch represents an aspect of the Emperor's personality (perhaps a virtue and a vice). What are the two aspects that we would expect to see expressed as Primarchs that aren't? Might give a feel for who the two missing Primarchs were. Their sins were probably exaggerations of their personal flaws. Gay and Trans
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# ? Jun 14, 2022 20:11 |
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They tried to unionize
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# ? Jun 14, 2022 21:56 |
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Improbable Lobster posted:Gay and Trans Lady Marines confirmed for 10th edition
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# ? Jun 14, 2022 22:43 |
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I was able to check out the boxes yesterday and they are SOLID and HEAVY AS gently caress.
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# ? Jun 15, 2022 15:05 |
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ZM rules: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1RRLvcrCHPhIBGvds3FQT12NOhPusQZDH/view
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# ? Jun 15, 2022 17:37 |
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Lucinice posted:I think I'm going to hold off on buying into HH until I see if a scene forms in my city. I was going to play with a friend but he changed his mind Hey never mind the situation changed so I'll definitely be buying into HH. Probably can't buy the box right now due to costs but I'm thinking of getting one of the legion books so I can start planning my army.
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# ? Jun 15, 2022 20:17 |
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It looks like locally there may actually be a sizeable amount of people in my area getting into 30k with the new box/edition. Of course that has me thinking of which Legion I'd roll with, but I'm kind of stuck in analysis paralysis of World Eaters or Salamanders. But before I jump whole-hog into this, what's the size (in rough model-count) of a normal game? I don't want to get into something where I'd have to paint up 100+ marines. I may already own most of an army anyway, but I'm not sure. I have a recast Fellblade and unit of Firedrakes that a friend dumped on me, and a Forge World Sicaran and 30 plastic mk3 marines that are still unassembled.
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# ? Jun 16, 2022 15:17 |
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I think GW would like you to do 3-3.5k, but Goon-Approved Coolest Format Zone Mortalis is 1K. The box is 1500 before any unit upgrades.
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# ? Jun 16, 2022 15:55 |
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Floppychop posted:It looks like locally there may actually be a sizeable amount of people in my area getting into 30k with the new box/edition. For something like a smaller 1-1.5k ZM game, you could easily have an entire army consist of 20-30 models (or even less for certain RoWs that might be in 2.0). In my experience World Eater armies are much larger than Salamanders armies. World Eaters like to drown the enemy in big blobs of chainaxe wielding freaks, Salamanders are usually pretty elite, smaller forces centered around Firedrakes like the ones you have as well as other hardy infantry.
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# ? Jun 16, 2022 16:05 |
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Are we going to be able to use that land rider esque tank, I forget the name, in ZM?
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# ? Jun 16, 2022 19:26 |
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Maybe as an objective.
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# ? Jun 16, 2022 19:27 |
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My test World Eater. I am pretty happy with how he turned out, even if I forgot to put the "under" shoulder pads on. edit- Apparently I have no idea on how to actually imbed the image. edit 2 - Thank you for the help. Snacks and Violence fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Jun 16, 2022 |
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Snacks and Violence posted:My test World Eater. I am pretty happy with how he turned out, even if I forgot to put the "under" shoulder pads on. I think thats a drat solid World Eater scheme there
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# ? Jun 16, 2022 21:14 |
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Snacks and Violence posted:My test World Eater. I am pretty happy with how he turned out, even if I forgot to put the "under" shoulder pads on. right click the image > copy image address > put timg tags > paste between timg tags Like this code:
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# ? Jun 16, 2022 21:18 |
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Use [img] instead of [timg] if you are a true khornate
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# ? Jun 16, 2022 21:23 |
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I received my FW upgrade kits and minis this Tuesday. I got my decals today. My FLGS posted that they got the HH boxes and they have enough for everyone who preordered as well as some extras for the shelves... But I did not get a notification from them about my order while my friends here did, now I'm nervous.
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# ? Jun 16, 2022 21:26 |
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with a rebel yell she QQd posted:But I did not get a notification from them about my order while my friends here did, now I'm nervous. So uh, I checked on my pre-order status with my FLGS and it said my order was canceled. But as the money was taken from my card and I got an invoice from them, I gave them a call to check what happened. They told me it looks like it was an administrative error, because they see that the payment was successful yet the order was canceled, but no problem because they have 1 copy left...
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# ? Jun 17, 2022 16:09 |
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JcDent posted:I think GW would like you to do 3-3.5k, but Goon-Approved Coolest Format Zone Mortalis is 1K. Plus I think if the lore/rule book is used as a lord of war, you could get a couple hundred of points from it alone. Also goddamnit why does my local comic book store have to respect street date? I assume it’s because they’re a master dealer, and they can do a 20% discount, and they wanna maintain a good relationship with GW.
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# ? Jun 17, 2022 17:20 |
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One guy posting his box and mentioning the store can get your retailer account revoked, so following the rules isn't exactly crazy. Tons of people break street dates, but if you are not a trustworthy regular it just isn't worth it.
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# ? Jun 17, 2022 18:50 |
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Not my model but if anyone is looking for MK6 jump pack I found this. It is modeled after Dominion Zephon's https://cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/jumppack-for-2-0
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# ? Jun 17, 2022 20:56 |
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If one were going to build a Raven Guard army consisting of elements of Istvaan V survivors and post-Istvaan V reinforcements wearing black and the raven sigil who've hooked up with an embittered nomad predation fleet of former Pale Nomads who've reverted to the pre-Corax grey livery and abandoned the raven sigil for the XIX numeral, designed to be fielded as one army or split in two to fight itself, am I incorrect in assuming that it'd be reasonable to build the Pale Nomads as counts-as Sons of Horus for purposes of when they're played on their own?
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# ? Jun 17, 2022 21:07 |
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Stephenls posted:If one were going to build a Raven Guard army consisting of elements of Istvaan V survivors and post-Istvaan V reinforcements wearing black and the raven sigil who've hooked up with an embittered nomad predation fleet of former Pale Nomads who've reverted to the pre-Corax grey livery and abandoned the raven sigil for the XIX numeral, designed to be fielded as one army or split in two to fight itself, am I incorrect in assuming that it'd be reasonable to build the Pale Nomads as counts-as Sons of Horus for purposes of when they're played on their own? I think as long as you make it pretty obvious what is what, in terms of differentiated color schemes, and are really clear about the fact that a chunk of your army is not using RG rules, you should be okay. My experience with HH is that people are pretty open to cool ideas like that, as long as there is no confusion about rules because of it, and as long as you're using models from the correct in-game time period. Basically, make the idea cool, and don't require a bunch of extra effort from your opponent to play against it, and you should be golden.
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# ? Jun 17, 2022 21:16 |
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# ? May 25, 2024 13:55 |
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Stephenls posted:Watch the FLGS that's opening in the mall across the street from my apartment building sometime in June get all these things at a discount on launch day while I'm waiting a week for everything to arrive via shipping. So exactly this happened. They opened literally today. They even have the Heresy stuff on the shelf, though they won't let anyone buy any of it until tomorrow. Alas it is too late to cancel my GW order.
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