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Mr. Nice! posted:I debate completing some CLE and turning my license back on. You can be Florida Toona, gentleman lawyer. (I think it's a good idea)
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Well this didn't work right.
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Toona took the job I think, he took the job. I’m taking bets. O/U 5 months, -110
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Jun 16, 2022 02:14
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Toona took the job I think, he took the job. I’m taking bets. O/U 5 months, -110 Sorry, gonna put my money somewhere a lot safer, like an NFT of a Bitcoin.
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Jun 16, 2022 03:31
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Toona took the job I think, he took the job. I’m taking bets. O/U 5 months, -110 Put me down $100 on the over.
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Jun 17, 2022 16:16
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I took the job and if I don’t last six months, I will hand write letters on my letterhead to everyone who took the under, personally telling them they were right. 
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Jun 17, 2022 21:26
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Toona the Cat posted:I took the job and if I don’t last six months, I will hand write letters on my letterhead to everyone who took the under, personally telling them they were right. I'm taking the under.
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Jun 18, 2022 02:17
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Whitlam posted:I'm taking the under.
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Jun 18, 2022 02:53
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I’ll bottom as well.
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Jun 18, 2022 03:44
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Meatbag Esq. posted:I’ll bottom as well. Since Meatbag is bottoming, I'm topping. I believe in you Toona!
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Jun 18, 2022 04:13
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Whitlam posted:I'm taking the under. Over
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Jun 18, 2022 04:41
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Whitlam posted:I'm taking the under. Et tu?
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Jun 18, 2022 04:47
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Toona the Cat posted:Et tu? Nah
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Jun 18, 2022 05:25
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Speaking of weird jobs that might not exist in 6 months I'm hip deep in working with blockchain using tech company work and its crazy busy right now. Selling shovels in a gold rush i guess. Let's see if this job exists in a year lol Everyone I talk to outside of is saying this will be a good experience down the line and I'm like how
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Jun 18, 2022 14:28
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Shageletic posted:Speaking of weird jobs that might not exist in 6 months I'm hip deep in working with blockchain using tech company work and its crazy busy right now. Selling shovels in a gold rush i guess. Let's see if this job exists in a year lol Dealing with demanding man-children, who are toting around wildly unreasonable expectations and more money than they know what to do with, right before they lose it all to short-sightedness and bad decisions will make you perfect for family law
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Jun 18, 2022 15:32
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The only metric of success in a legal career is how far away you can get from having to deal with a client yourself.
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Jun 18, 2022 15:40
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Yeah thats the only con. Apparently I have to "network" and not be a weird negative goon irl lame
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Jun 18, 2022 15:43
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Shageletic posted:Speaking of weird jobs that might not exist in 6 months I'm hip deep in working with blockchain using tech company work and its crazy busy right now. Selling shovels in a gold rush i guess. Let's see if this job exists in a year lol please let me know (a) when the restructuring lawyers show up and (b) who your largest unsecured creditors are
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Jun 18, 2022 23:22
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Shageletic posted:Speaking of weird jobs that might not exist in 6 months I'm hip deep in working with blockchain using tech company work and its crazy busy right now. Selling shovels in a gold rush i guess. Let's see if this job exists in a year lol I got a recruiting email for that but I ignored it. I doubt energy work lends itself well to this stuff but I did do work for a failing energy supply company that tried to expand into crypto. That was fun. They filed Chapter 11 last month.
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disjoe posted:I got a recruiting email for that but I ignored it. I doubt energy work lends itself well to this stuff but I did do work for a failing energy supply company that tried to expand into crypto. That was fun. At least the lawyers get paid first in bankruptcy
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Jun 19, 2022 03:41
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sullat posted:At least the lawyers get paid first in bankruptcy Always great to be first in line to be paid *checks notes* zero dollars. gently caress me in the assets, baby.
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Jun 19, 2022 07:48
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Are we all in agreement that billable hours are below the dignity of man? I accepted a position with a law firm for a short while, but then resigned because they wanted me to literally record what I was doing in small increments of time using particular language, and then bicker with support staff about whether insurance firms and other major entities need to pay out. The sheer indignity of it, coupled with the low class and money-grubbing nature of civil discovery, was absolutely intolerable to me. I would rather be ground down to dust in the trenches of a county prosecution office (diversity and gay training aside) than live on my knees trying to run out the clock by trading pointless interrogatories in some private firm. My retirement was yet again interrupted by a friend of a friend, who needed me to come work for a major chinese company, but at least this job allows me to behave like a dignified gentleman. Attorneys who bill by the hour are something else. Parmenides fucked around with this message at 08:12 on Jun 19, 2022 |
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Jun 19, 2022 08:08
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Nice piece of fish posted:Always great to be first in line to be paid *checks notes* zero dollars. you always check if there's enough assets to get you paid (if not the creditors) before taking a BK case
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Jun 19, 2022 14:37
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Parmenides posted:Are we all in agreement that billable hours are below the dignity of man? 
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Jun 19, 2022 15:11
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Parmenides posted:Are we all in agreement that billable hours are below the dignity of man? OTOH, if you can work a billable system well, life is easy. For some people, billable systems click with them. I didn't mind the system we had because when done correctly anyone could click on your file and get up to speed just by reading your notes for each action. The only place I worked that actively tracked billable hours was my short lived criminal defense life. We didn't bill these hours - they were just for internal use. All of our fees were earned upon hiring and were due up front. Send an email? Put a copy of that email in the notes and write up who it went to in the client's file. Make a phone call? Put down the conversation in the notes. Draft something? Put a link to the document (we used google docs) in the notes. You assign the appropriate time to each (6 min increments) and move on. Court stuff would get entered in similarly right after I got back to the office. When I had to handle another attorney's case, it was super easy to just go pull up the casefile and read through their notes and know what's going on. We had an app on the phones that would allow us to see everything, too. Super handy stuff. I can get how people would hate that, though.
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Jun 19, 2022 15:19
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Mr. Nice! posted:OTOH, if you can work a billable system well, life is easy. I would love a system like that -- I want a note of everything i've done for later reference! -- IF it was quick, efficient, and fully integrated with outlook, word, google docs, whatever other software we were using. I've never seen such a system, so it always takes me about as much time to document what I did as it did to do it. OTOH I've never worked anywhere that actually required billable hour tracking either (nonprofits and public defender). The biggest problem I have with tracking time is random calls coming through in the middle of other tasks in the middle of other tasks. And I have to take each call because like 3-4ths of my clients don't have reliable phones so that might be the ONLY time I get a chance to talk to them
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Jun 19, 2022 16:55
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We used mycase, and it synced with stuff as needed. I can’t remember any major complaints, but it’s been a few years. I totally get the middle of working on something else calls. I had one client that would call me from jail constantly. I would have to remind him all the time to stop talking about case stuff on monitored calls. His case file had so many one line phone call notes.
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Not only does it interrupt things, the whole "billable hours" process is another layer or two of menial work. It also provides a perverse incentive that may negatively impact the way you practice law and the overall efficiency of the legal system. I think it attracts a certain type of person, but I will leave it at that because I don't feel like copping another ban or probation from the soy-drenched mods of this benighted forum.
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Jun 19, 2022 19:35
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Tell us how you really feel, op.
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Parmenides posted:Not only does it interrupt things, the whole "billable hours" process is another layer or two of menial work. It also provides a perverse incentive that may negatively impact the way you practice law and the overall efficiency of the legal system. I think it attracts a certain type of person, but I will leave it at that because I don't feel like copping another ban or probation from the soy-drenched mods of this benighted forum. You were funnier when you were Hippokleides and didn’t care
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Jun 19, 2022 19:59
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Phil Moscowitz posted:You were funnier when you were Hippokleides and didn’t care That schtick has sailed.
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Jun 19, 2022 20:21
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Parmenides posted:Are we all in agreement that billable hours are below the dignity of man? Sincerely and genuinely one reason I didn't practise law. Not the only one, before people come in about "but government" or whatever, but absolutely a contributing factor.
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Jun 19, 2022 22:08
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Billable hours are primarily a vehicle to allow whoever is reviewing them to deny some percentage of them, thereby justifying their own salary.
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Jun 19, 2022 22:36
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The PD offices I worked at in MI used Defender Data and required timekeeping, which was demeaning as hell and totally sucked. In HI we just wrote our notes in a physical file and our boss trusted us to do our jobs like adults, which surprise worked perfectly fine.
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Patent law is pretty great if you hate billable hours because pretty much everything has been fixed rate for decades... otoh, the price of drafting a patent application has hovered around 10k since at least 2007.
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Jun 20, 2022 05:05
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Whitlam posted:I'm taking the under. Not an empty quote. I love you Toona but lol
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Shageletic posted:Speaking of weird jobs that might not exist in 6 months I'm hip deep in working with blockchain using tech company work and its crazy busy right now. Selling shovels in a gold rush i guess. Let's see if this job exists in a year lol Honestly "I was around for the last random bullshit and I know the hoops to jump through" probably will be good experience for whatever the next random bullshit is.
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Jun 20, 2022 15:10
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Parmenides posted:Are we all in agreement that billable hours are below the dignity of man? Setting aside your gay training and life on your knees, yes, the only thing worse than doing time entries for billable hours is the underlying idea of 8+ actual hours of legal work a day for decades.
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SlothBear posted:Honestly "I was around for the last random bullshit and I know the hoops to jump through" probably will be good experience for whatever the next random bullshit is. lol that's the idea, even though business is still crazy good (tho a part-time compliance job I had with one tech firm I had on the side is ending at the end of June, sadface). I honestly don't mind billing. One sentence summaries is all I need, only bill stuff that is resulting in actual legal product. It helps focus my days, as a secret ADD dude. e: just came back from a conference here in NYC (never went to these crypto things before but someone said I could get free grub, and yes, the food was awesome) what a goddamn freakshow I loved it. Left in the middle of Andrew Yang going on about his Freedom Party. It's such a weird business to be in lol
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So I just received a payment from a class action suit and there's a deduction for a "PLRP Lein" what is this? I'm waiting to hear back from the lawyers but all my bills are up to date.
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