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Venomous posted:the world is hosed. I mean, no poo poo lmao, but seeing as the US is going to genocide the transes over the next decade, it's probably going to go from there to the rest of the queers, then the Muslims, the communists, the socialists, the trade unionists, the Jews, and in that time the rest of the world will become increasingly fashy, probably
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e: stupid post lmao oh well, it was quoted below so w/e Venomous has issued a correction as of 20:41 on Jun 18, 2022 |
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Venomous posted:oh my god you are actually right, the only hope for queer people around the world is if the US loses a hot war with China without nuking everything
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:is this some new sort of cope I'm not familiar with people are getting their posting CV in order for The Chairman
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idk I'm just loving scared e: I genuinely was not trying to be a dick up there, I guess I just have not crack pinged enough yet lmao Venomous has issued a correction as of 20:43 on Jun 18, 2022 |
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I mean yeah if China eats poo poo then we (as in "we humans on this planet") are 100% hosed. there will be nothing left standing that might possibly act to represent human interests even some of the time and even if they don't eat poo poo we're still probably hosed. so it's scary no argument there. but if you're looking for hope that's the only place you're going to find it
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MSDOS KAPITAL posted:I mean yeah if China eats poo poo then we (as in "we humans on this planet") are 100% hosed. there will be nothing left standing that might possibly act to represent human interests even some of the time 
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Venomous posted:idk I'm just loving scared I have faith in you that you will get there eventually.
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Venomous posted:skipped a load of pages to say: lmao the democrats are throwing trans people under the bus like I knew they eventually would this time five years ago
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theCalamity posted:What did the Dems do? idk if the dems themselves have escalated recently beyond the usual occurrence of someone asking pelosi if she thinks some minority should be protected and her responding that she doesn't care, but other parts of the liberal ecosystem have veered hard transphobe in the past week or two and started just asking questions if trans people are real eg: https://twitter.com/herong/status/1537028932817629190 https://twitter.com/RottenInDenmark/status/1537075765573042178 Shear Modulus has issued a correction as of 22:04 on Jun 18, 2022 |
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theCalamity posted:What did the Dems do? There's a big wave of transphobia recently between calls for drag shows to ban kids, bathroom bills being re-discussed, Georgia banning trans school-athletes, etc If this is the first you're hearing of any of this, it's because it's working, and it's working partially because the do-nothing Dems are doing extra nothing by not even acknowledging it, even during pride month https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2022-election/gop-candidates-unleash-wave-ads-targeting-transgender-rights-rcna28945 quote:Like never before, Republicans in primaries across the country have made attacking transgender rights central to their paid media campaigns and stump speeches — focusing on issues of education, gender transitioning and sports, according to the ad tracking firm AdImpact. quote:Stephen Webber, political director of the AFL-CIO in Missouri, said he understands why Democrats may be reticent to speak out against Republicans on these issues: The polling isn’t on their side, and it's fraught with rhetorical landmines. Between that and what Shear posted above, the wool is being pulled from the eyes of even some of the most libbish queers who are now realizing that at best the allies just don't care about us, at worst they'll actively lie when convenient and then go out of their way to not help when it's actually needed Chris James 2 has issued a correction as of 21:55 on Jun 18, 2022 |
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yeah, Yglesias in particular is going full 'compromise with the fash and throw trans people under the bus' and it's just. loving hell I hate liberals
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Chris James 2 posted:Between that and what Shear posted above, the wool is being pulled from the eyes of even some of the most libbish queers who are now realizing that at best the allies just don't care about us, at worst they'll actively lie when convenient and then go out of their way to not help when it's actually needed Not that I'm trying to be insensitive here, but since 1968 when the dems actively pursued the mantle of being the parties minorities can vote for, when have they actually backed that up with action when any of them were under attack? Don't get me wrong, I understand that the conservatives are out to get all of these groups openly but the idea that the dems would ever actually defend anyone when it becomes necessary is laughable and always has been.
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I knew it would happen eventually after seeing how Democrats threw refugees under the bus. I even remember libs defending Manchin for wanting more border security. The only ones the democrats will protect are their donors.
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LastInLine posted:Not that I'm trying to be insensitive here, but since 1968 when the dems actively pursued the mantle of being the parties minorities can vote for, when have they actually backed that up with action when any of them were under attack? Don't get me wrong, I understand that the conservatives are out to get all of these groups openly but the idea that the dems would ever actually defend anyone when it becomes necessary is laughable and always has been.
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the dems had nothing to do with decades of murdering people in the black community who might have opposed the crime bill, so don't even start
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you know who disarmed the black panthers? not a democrat - it was ronald reagan i.e. the last good republican president according to the democratic speaker of the house
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why didn't more black people oppose the crime bill? well they were in jail you see, and
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tbf Reagan was a Democrat until 1962 if Nixon had won in 1960, I can't say we wouldn't be just as hosed today, but at least we wouldn't have had loving JFK as President
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theCalamity posted:I knew it would happen eventually after seeing how Democrats threw refugees under the bus. I even remember libs defending Manchin for wanting more border security. that's not true. why right now the democrats in congress are running a big televised hearing exposing the threat of violence that the republicans pose to the most important group in the democrats' coalition: democrat elected officials.
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It's clear the majority of people support making GBS threads on congressional desks and it's time someone had the political courage to stand by them. Someone needs to poop on a desk right in the middle of the hearings
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Shear Modulus posted:that's not true. why right now the democrats in congress are running a big televised hearing exposing the threat of violence that the republicans pose to the most important group in the democrats' coalition: democrat elected officials. lol
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why was nixon such a big force in the gop for so long if he wasnt an elite himself or at least a charismatic spokesman like reagan?
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Real hurthling! posted:why was nixon such a big force in the gop for so long if he wasnt an elite himself or at least a charismatic spokesman like reagan? he had the backing of a lot of powerful people
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Real hurthling! posted:why was nixon such a big force in the gop for so long if he wasnt an elite himself or at least a charismatic spokesman like reagan? if you buy into the theory that HW was part of a foreign policy “blob” (Nixon called them “money men” iirc?) that centered around Dulles and Ivy League intelligence people that killed jfk for the Cuban missile crisis and not backing up their invasion of Cuba I guess he was picked because because he was a “useful” young rising star that was anti communist in the right (ie not an idiot like McCarthy) way. young as in elected to the house at 34, senate at 37 and VP at 40. “young” Obama was elected to the senate at 44 and president at 48.
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Chris James 2 posted:There's a big wave of transphobia recently between calls for drag shows to ban kids, bathroom bills being re-discussed, Georgia banning trans school-athletes, etc Oh yeah also a bunch of libs are joining the chuds on social media who are saying Ezra Miller being a piece of poo poo on a literal daily basis means pronouns shouldn't be respected, which is already having the exact effect you'd expect on already-legit-worried trans people. Forgot to mention that, but Ezra's trending again for another awful thing, so I didn't get to forget for long
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Real hurthling! posted:why was nixon such a big force in the gop for so long if he wasnt an elite himself or at least a charismatic spokesman like reagan? He won a seat in 1946 by red baiting against the democrat in the still mostly republican california, he then red baited his way into the senate when the Korea war started. Eisenhower wasn't really a hands on president so he was given a lot of the national security stuff to handle, and gave the spooks all the right signals that he'd back them. Republicans were destroyed 62-64, but won a lot in 66 and 68 (so old school republicans were gone and the new people were people he campaigned for) and he used his national security connections to win 68 (like sabotaging peace talks before the election so that democrats were still split on the war).
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Real hurthling! posted:why was nixon such a big force in the gop for so long if he wasnt an elite himself or at least a charismatic spokesman like reagan? if you wanna read 1500 pages answering this question I would recommend the Rick perlstein books on Barry Goldwater Nixon and Reagan . They own
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Real hurthling! posted:why was nixon such a big force in the gop for so long if he wasnt an elite himself or at least a charismatic spokesman like reagan? In addition to what others have said, Nixon also knew how to coexist with Hoover and his (and it was his) FBI.
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J. Edgar Hoover ran the FBI and its predecessor for nearly forty‐eight years. Only in April of 2020 did the FBI have a longer history without Hoover than with him.
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In Training posted:if you wanna read 1500 pages answering this question I would recommend the Rick perlstein books on Barry Goldwater Nixon and Reagan . They own They're so good and there's a lot of chilling things in them. The part I'm always gonna remember is how when the Kent State Massacre happened, some insanely low amount of people (like 10%?) blamed the national guard for the killings. More people wanted the national guard to straight up open fire and mow down every student on campus than there were people who felt the national guard were to blame.
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https://apnews.com/article/2022-mid...e%20Subscribers WASHINGTON (AP) — Democrats are going to hold onto the House after November’s midterm elections. They will pick up as many as four seats in the Senate, expanding their majority and overcoming internal dissent that has helped stifle their agenda. As the challenges confronting President Joe Biden intensify, his predictions of a rosy political future for the Democratic Party are growing bolder. The assessments, delivered in speeches, fundraisers and conversations with friends and allies, seem at odds with a country that he acknowledged this week was “really, really down,” burdened by a pandemic, surging gas prices and spiking inflation. Biden’s hopeful outlook tracks with a sense of optimism that has coursed through his nearly five-decade career and was at the center of his 2020 presidential campaign, which he said was built around restoring the “soul of America.” In a lengthy Oval Office interview with The Associated Press on Thursday, Biden said part of his job as president is to “be confident.” “Because I am confident,” he said. “We are better positioned than any country in the world to own the second quarter of the 21st century. That’s not hyperbole. That’s a fact.” While presidents often try to emphasize the positive, there is a risk in this moment that Biden contributes to a dissonance between Washington and people across the country who are confronting genuine and growing economic pain. 2022 MIDTERM ELECTIONS Ex-Pence aide gets GOP nod to run for secretary of state Louisiana session ends: No new map with a 2nd Black district Herschel Walker says he 'never denied' having 4 children Building anger in rural New Mexico erupts in election crisis Few of Biden’s closest political advisers are as bullish about the party’s prospects as the president. In interviews with a half-dozen people in and close to the White House, there is a broad sense that Democrats will lose control of Congress and that many of the party’s leading candidates in down-ballot races and contests for governor will be defeated, with Biden unable to offer much help. The seeming disconnect between Biden’s view and the political reality has some in the party worried the White House has not fully grasped just how bad this election year may be for Democrats. “I don’t expect any president to go out and say, ’You know what, ‘We’re going to lose the next election,’” said Will Marshall, president and founder of the Progressive Policy Institute, which is in regular contact with the White House’s policy team. What might serve Biden well instead, Marshall said, would be “a sober sense of, ’Look, we’re probably in for a rough night in November and our strategy should be to remind the country what’s at stake.’” Youtube video thumbnail The White House is hardly ignoring the problem. After years in which Democrats have operated in political silos, there is a greater focus on marshaling resources. Jen O’Malley Dillon, Biden’s 2020 campaign manager who now serves as one of his deputy chiefs of staff, runs the political team from the West Wing along with Emmy Ruiz, a longtime Texas-based Democratic political consultant. O’Malley Dillon coordinates strategy among the White House, the Democratic National Committee and an array of outside party groups. Cedric Richmond, a former Louisiana congressman who co-chaired Biden’s 2020 campaign and was one of his closest White House advisers, left for a job with the DNC in April. He characterized the move as underscoring the administration’s full grasp of the importance of the midterms. “We understand that you cannot govern if you can’t win,” Richmond said in an interview. “We are treating it with that sense of urgency.” The president’s political message is being honed by Mike Donilon, a longtime Biden aide who is a protector of Biden’s public image, and veteran party strategist Anita Dunn, who is returning to the White House for a second stint. Richmond praised Dunn’s political instincts and said he believes she will team with O’Malley Dillion, White House chief of staff Ron Klain and others to promote messaging that many in their own party may underestimate. “If I had a penny for every time Democrats counted Joe Biden or Kamala Harris out, I’d be independently wealthy,” Richmond said. Biden turned to Dunn during an especially low political moment in February 2020, giving her broad control of his then-cash strapped presidential campaign as it appeared on the brink of collapse after a disastrous fourth-place showing in the Iowa caucus. Barely a week later, Biden left New Hampshire before its primary polls had even closed, ultimately finishing fifth. But he took second in Nevada, won South Carolina handily and saw the Democratic establishment rally around him at breakneck speed in mere days after that. O’Malley Dillon then joined the campaign and oversaw Biden’s general election victory. A similar reversal of political fortune may be necessary now. But where White House officials last year harbored hopes that voters could be convinced of Biden’s accomplishments and reverse their dismal outlook on the national direction, aides now acknowledge that such an uphill battle is no longer worth fighting. Instead, they have pushed the president to be more open about his own frustrations — particularly on inflation — to show voters that he shares their concerns and to cast Republicans and their policies as obstacles to addressing these issues. Though he has increasingly expressed anger about inflation, Biden has publicly betrayed few concerns about his party’s fortunes this fall. opting instead for relentlessly positivity. “I think there are at least four seats that are up for grabs that we could pick up in the Senate,” the president told a recent gathering of donors in Maryland. “And we’re going to keep the House.” Biden meant Ohio, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, with potential longer shots in North Carolina or Florida possibly representing No. 4. Some aides admit that assessment is too optimistic. They say the president is simply seeking to fire up his base with such predictions. One openly laughed when asked if it was possible that Democrats could pick up four Senate seats. The party’s chances of maintaining House control may be bleaker. Still, Tim Persico, executive director of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, which is charged with defending the party’s narrow majority, said Biden remains an asset. “We love when the president is speaking to the country,” Persico said. “There’ll always be frustrations. I totally get that. But I think he’s his own best messenger.” Biden has traveled more since last fall, promoting a $1 trillion public works package that became law in November, including visiting competitive territory in Minnesota, Virginia, Wisconsin, Michigan and New Hampshire. During a trip to Democratic Rep. Cindy Axne’s Iowa swing district, the president declared, “My name is Joe Biden. I work for Congresswoman Axne.” But Bernie Sanders, the last challenger eliminated as Biden clinched the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination, is making his own Iowa trip this weekend to rally striking workers at construction and agriculture equipment plants. The 80-year-old Vermont senator has not ruled out a third presidential bid in 2024 should Biden not seek reelection. That has revived questions about whether Biden, 79, might opt not to run — speculation that has persisted despite the White House political operation gearing up for the midterms and beyond. “I do think a lot of folks in the Democratic Party, rightfully, are concerned about what’s going to happen in 2024. That doesn’t have to be mal intent,” said Linn County Supervisor Stacey Walker, whose district includes Cedar Rapids, Iowa, and who was a high-profile Sanders supporter during the last campaign. “I think folks are putting the question to the Democratic Party, ‘Is Joe Biden going to run again? Is he not going to run again?’” Walker noted that other Democrats who could seek the White House in 2024 if Biden does not, including Massachusetts Sen. Elizabeth Warren, joined Sanders in signing a letter supporting 1,000-plus plant workers who have been striking for better pay and benefits for more than a month. “It is responsible, I think, for those folks within the Democratic Party, who have the profile, who have the infrastructure, to make sure it’s all still in good working condition should they have to dust off the playbook,” Walker said. Asked if Biden was running again in 2024, White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said the president has responded to such queries repeatedly and “his answer has been pretty simple, which is, yes, he’s running for reelection.” The more immediate question of Biden’s midterm appeal could be even trickier. He campaigned for Democrat Terry McAuliffe in Virginia last November, after winning the state easily in 2020. McAuliffe lost by 2 percentage points, a potentially bad omen for the 16 governorships Democrats are defending this fall. “We know there are going to be national headwinds, there always are,” Stacey Abrams, the Democratic candidate for governor in Georgia, said recently. But she insisted she would be happy to campaign with Biden or top members of his administration: “I welcome anyone willing to lift Georgia up, to come to Georgia and help me get it done.” That was a departure from Democrat Beto O’Rourke, running for governor in Texas, who told reporters, “I’m not interested in any national politician — anyone outside of Texas — coming into this state to help decide the outcome of this race.” Biden political advisers say a possible Supreme Court ruling overturning the landmark Roe v. Wade decision, as well as recent mass shootings spurring renewed debate over gun violence, could give Democrats two issues that could energize voters. But they also acknowledge that one or both might help party candidates clinch already close races — not remake the political landscape nationwide. In the meantime, Biden’s overall approval rating hit a new low of 39% last month. Even among his own party, just 33% of respondents said the country is headed in the right direction, down from 49% in April. The president’s approval rating among Democrats stood at 73%, falling sharply from last year, when Biden’s Democratic approval rating never slipped below 82%. White House political advisers are already playing down the possibility that some of the party’s most vulnerable candidates may carve out identities distinct from the president’s. As a former senator, Biden understands such maneuvers, they say. The White House also notes that the president and his party are in far better shape now than before the 2010 midterms, when a tea party wave saw Republicans win back Congress. Since taking office, Biden’s political team has invested significantly in the DNC and state parties, and all sides are cooperating. The DNC says it has never been larger, with 450 staff members on state party payrolls, or sported a more robust ground operation. It also raised $213 million so far, a midterm record. But DNC Chair Jaime Harrison nonetheless appeared to be trying to head off concerns donors’ contributions might be going to waste, saying, “We’re not promoting it all over the place.” “When you’re in the Super Bowl, do you think the coach puts all their plays up on Twitter, and says, ’Here’s what we’re going to run?,” Harrison said at a Los Angeles fundraiser with Biden last weekend. “No. We don’t put all of our stuff out there.” He said the group is building out an operation “to make sure that, when those close elections happen November, we win them.”
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Srice posted:They're so good and there's a lot of chilling things in them. The part I'm always gonna remember is how when the Kent State Massacre happened, some insanely low amount of people (like 10%?) blamed the national guard for the killings. More people wanted the national guard to straight up open fire and mow down every student on campus than there were people who felt the national guard were to blame. The Goldwater campaign being so Trumpy was pretty remarkable to me too, all the conservative kitsch branding coupled with Barry just saying absolutely insane things whenever national media gave him a mic, like we should nuke Vietnam so all the trees die and the Vietcong cant hide anymore. Some things never change
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