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Man, Jesse James Keitel is smoking when she 'pirates' the Ready Room to interview one of the costume designers for SNW. I get the feeling it's a part she enjoys playing.. 
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Jun 18, 2022 16:19
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Facebook Aunt posted:I think the actor is, I'm not sure they've confirmed that about the character. You're right though, I didn't remember him. So there is a trans character, it's just someone that doesn't have a physical body at all (until they give robot body). They did. A big part of the episode where they bring Gray back to life is him being comfortable enough to tell the doc (through Adira) to give his synth body a penis.
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Jun 18, 2022 16:29
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Eej posted:I think Angel veered to hard into camp for the back half of the episode and I got tone whiplash but judging from everyone's glowing reviews of this episode I might be alone in feeling this. I actually think the problem is they didn't veer hard enough in to campy Vamp-villain like Mirror Kira, which I think is a downstream problem from what I think the big issue with this episode was- it probably should have been a two-parter that hinged on the Captain Angel reveal. Overall a pretty good episode, but the attempt to tone down the DISCO/Picard overwrought writing is still leaving me a little flat. Chapel saying "pro tip" early in the episode stuck in my ear and wouldn't leave. e- this is an episode where the could afford to have been a bit more 'DISCO' given the theme of self-exploration, or at least be a little more serial in letting him explore this stuff down the road...this is also a problem with re-using established characters though- we 'know' who Spock will be and it's hard to buy in to any short term playing they do with his character now Fidel Cuckstro fucked around with this message at 16:58 on Jun 18, 2022 |
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Jun 18, 2022 16:53
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Pastamania posted:that speech about identity definitely can be interpreted as 'Trans Rights', but it can also be interpreted as being about race, or sexuality, or just the more universal experience about feeling a bit out of place. That speach is also that character straight up telling Spock they're who not everyone thinks they are. Then they reveal they're a space pirate. It works on so many levels and I love it. edit: reposting the quote Megillah Gorilla fucked around with this message at 17:00 on Jun 18, 2022 |
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Der Kyhe posted:Looking at the guy's career at that point, this truly has that "Tell Elvis to keep driving truck" -energy. Or how that one guy did exactly one Bond movie and then walked, because his agent was certain that hippie comedies were the next big thing and Bond movies were just waste of time. That's funny, I had no idea thats why George Lazenby left. The Cage is great, but honestly, Kirk is the better captain. Cage Pike was not nearly as humorous or interesting than Kirk. SNW Pike, yea he's great. I like Disco, its fine, like a solid C with most episodes. It's sorta like late teens Simpsons, the episodes over all might be kinda meh, but within them I can find enjoyment. Picard, uh, Season 1 was much better, but that's not saying much. Season 3 sounds like its that "customer service" thinking with TV shows; "oh you didn't like what we did? Don't like these new characters? We'll get rid of them and bring back the ones you like". Rather than making a better show with the characters that are already in the show, we're getting the TNG cast back. A Big, big problem with Picard is that both seasons are "if we don't win the universe will be destroyed!" level of stakes. Why couldn't we get smaller stakes? The entire fabric of reality exists on the shoulders of one 100 year old man.
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Jun 18, 2022 17:20
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When the episode opened I assumed she'd be leading them into a trap but maybe she was just being coerced into it to save her friends - and then she appeared in a catsuit.
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Jun 18, 2022 17:47
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t'pring being the warden of horny jail seems counterproductive.
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boo boo bear posted:t'pring being the warden of horny jail seems counterproductive. But enough about her marriage to Spock
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boo boo bear posted:t'pring being the warden of horny jail seems counterproductive. From everything we've seen so far this season, I'm pretty sure she's a complete freak. She just hides it like all Vulcans do. "Spock, to better understand your human side I have been watching the entire Spanking Nasty Coeds series. I have also purchased a traditional hard wood canoe paddle. I'm doing this for you, Spock."
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Taear posted:It's at least a 7. A six is a bad score, that would mean the episodes are legit bad. I do not believe in internet rating inflation. Five is the middle, so "bad" is under that. Six is decent but nothing amazing.
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Jun 18, 2022 18:04
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Eej posted:I think Angel veered to hard into camp for the back half of the episode and I got tone whiplash but judging from everyone's glowing reviews of this episode I might be alone in feeling this. It was up and down for me. The turn was so telegraphed I took it all as comedy, but even within that there were some lines where I thought it was good and some where I thought it was bad. Overall though, a successful guest spot to me.
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Jun 18, 2022 18:05
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I don't see what's wrong with things being telegraphed. One of the problems with Disco and Picard is their insistence on having a mystery with an unexpected twist at the expense of coherent storytelling.
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I'll take 'done well' over 'bullshit surprise' any day. Compare season 1 of Westworld to season 2.
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if you don't have an evil black catsuit to wear after sunset, you might be a farmer
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I adored the last episode (and the rest of the SNW series run to this point) and I cheered at the Sybok reveal. I appreciate how dang campy and weird it is, which obviously is aping TOS style, but to me it also feels like the early season Farscape episodics that worked - a very game cast dealing with alien goofiness and unbelievably obvious metaphors.
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Clouseau posted:I adored the last episode (and the rest of the SNW series run to this point) and I cheered at the Sybok reveal. I appreciate how dang campy and weird it is, which obviously is aping TOS style, but to me it also feels like the early season Farscape episodics that worked - a very game cast dealing with alien goofiness and unbelievably obvious metaphors.
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FlamingLiberal posted:That last scene of Pike on the bridge doing a very cringey Pirate voice is very reminiscent of the end of a lot of TOS episodes, where you get a final scene on the bridge that ends in some kind of joke They need to end the season on a freeze-frame of everyone laughing at some inane pun Pike makes.
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FlamingLiberal posted:That last scene of Pike on the bridge doing a very cringey Pirate voice is very reminiscent of the end of a lot of TOS episodes, where you get a final scene on the bridge that ends in some kind of joke Kirk saying the titular(ish) line at the end of Piece of the Action is to me peak star trek, so I'm glad we're finally rejecting modernity.
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Right now my only knock on SNW is that Hemmer has not been in the last three episodes now, for some reason
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Orthanc6 posted:Glad she got to be in an infinitely better piece of Multiverse-centered cinema. This episode shows what a grouchy rubbish Klingon Worf is. Kor and Martok would be all over goofy woodland terrorism!
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otoh despite being a convenient local hire from the city they're filming in I think Gia Sandhu is killing it as T'Pring.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Right now my only knock on SNW is that Hemmer has not been in the last three episodes now, for some reason Hand trauma is famously severe for Aenar.
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boo boo bear posted:t'pring being the warden of horny jail seems counterproductive. Spock is a Vulcan like Worf is a Klingon. Totally devoted to an idea of his people that doesn't actually exist in reality. "Vulcans are devoted to rationality and logic. By the by, have I mentioned how literally every single child I ever met until I was like 20 ruthlessly bullied me every moment of my life? And how like half of all Vulcans I talk to quietly look down on me? Anyway, rationality and logic.".
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Clouseau posted:I adored the last episode (and the rest of the SNW series run to this point) and I cheered at the Sybok reveal. I appreciate how dang campy and weird it is, which obviously is aping TOS style, but to me it also feels like the early season Farscape episodics that worked - a very game cast dealing with alien goofiness and unbelievably obvious metaphors. yeah, SNW definitely has big Farscape or Babylon 5 energy where you've got a cast that's absolutely willing to roll up its sleeves and sincerely engage with some real goofy or didactic scripts and elevate them; compare it to Disco where everyone in the S1 cast except for Saru seems to be holding the script at arm's length and hoping the Trek doesn't rub off on them too badly
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FlamingLiberal posted:Right now my only knock on SNW is that Hemmer has not been in the last three episodes now, for some reason m'benga was barely present in the first few episodes, to the point where i wondered what the point of him was if they just wanted chapel to be the doctor - but then he started getting stuff. hemmer has been even less present and his only screentime episode, with uhura, overall made me like him less rather than more. i liked his first appearance at pike's dinner, but it was just one scene. it was strange they went to engineering in ep7 and he just wasn't there or mentioned. plenty of time to iron all that out though. for all we know he's got scenes in the next three.
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Grand Fromage posted:I do not believe in internet rating inflation. Five is the middle, so "bad" is under that. Six is decent but nothing amazing. The thing is when everyone thinks in the IMDB range of scores you saying 5 is going to be read as bad to anyone but yourself
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Charity Porno posted:TOS doesn't have replicators. They are constantly shipping food and poo poo to colonies and planets suffering famine. There's actually nothing to indicate if Turkana IV was inside or outside of the Federation. It's listed as a "Failed Colony" but colonists are semi-regularly creating colonies outside of Federation borders for a lot of reasons. The Sheliak episode literally depends on them having colonised outside Federation space. Both TOS and to a slightly lesser extent, TNG, is outside Federation space unless explicitly stated because the entire point is to go "where no-one has gone before". I'm not sure you can reasonably designate space as yours if you've literally never been there? The word of Gene as of TOS was that the Federation had erased inequality, a lot of the moral episodes literally end with Kirk going "Look where *I* come from, we overcame this, jeez". I don't think you can actually outright erase ALL abuse with the snap of a fingers, but it's certainly possible to erase the vast bulk of it, given that most of our problems are caused by systemic injustices, faulty bureaucracies, faulty information sharing, and a rotten and wretched culture of individualism.
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twistedmentat posted:The Cage is great, but honestly, Kirk is the better captain. Cage Pike was not nearly as humorous or interesting than Kirk. SNW Pike, yea he's great. By the time Star Trek got its second chance, other people were involved in the writing, and they were very aware that the 100% Roddenberry character of Pike had been considered cold and humourless by execs and test audiences, so from the start Kirk was being written in a different way. I haven't seen SNW yet, but the bits I've seen of Pike so far, he's being played as far more relaxed than Hunter's version.
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Crusader posted:jim should be remembering sam saying something goofy like “yahtzee” Before I read the dialog, I was wondering why the ghostly face of Scotty was peering in at Kirk from the void of space.
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nine-gear crow posted:Before I read the dialog, I was wondering why the ghostly face of Scotty was peering in at Kirk from the void of space. They had replaced him with Welshy by this point.
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#TeamSpapel
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Megillah Gorilla posted:From everything we've seen so far this season, I'm pretty sure she's a complete freak. She just hides it like all Vulcans do. They even had it called out by the Vulcan they captured that the fact she is willing to marry a half human made her an outlier in Vulcan society.
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The Chairman posted:yeah, SNW definitely has big Farscape or Babylon 5 energy where you've got a cast that's absolutely willing to roll up its sleeves and sincerely engage with some real goofy or didactic scripts and elevate them; compare it to Disco where everyone in the S1 cast except for Saru seems to be holding the script at arm's length and hoping the Trek doesn't rub off on them too badly My other favorite show is Babylon 5, so yeah. At last a new show for the dorks like me out there. Thank you Star Trek Industrial Complex.
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I love that picture way more than I ought to.
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I want a time travel episode where Spock and Chapel get thrown into 1987 and Spock gets really into hair metal while Chapel becomes obsessed with Evil Dead 2.
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General Klingon question- was there ever any clear statement about whether Klingon houses were just the Klingon family structure, or if they're more political/aristocratic units of Klingon life? Or another way- is the average Klingon 'un-housed', or is it just that most Houses are forgettable space-poors without even a single Bird of Prey to their name?
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:General Klingon question- was there ever any clear statement about whether Klingon houses were just the Klingon family structure, or if they're more political/aristocratic units of Klingon life? Or another way- is the average Klingon 'un-housed', or is it just that most Houses are forgettable space-poors without even a single Bird of Prey to their name? The DS9 episode House of Quark seems to imply they’re like aristocratic noble houses that have been granted lands and titles and such, though I don’t know that it’s ever been addressed in more detail. e: I guess that doesn’t preclude every Klingon having a house, just most of them being unimportant. chglcu fucked around with this message at 01:43 on Jun 19, 2022 |
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