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Karloff posted:And in most films...? It's fairly common practice to use dialogue to establish an already existing conflict that sets the conditions for the world. If in a cop action film the police chief angrily calls the heroic cop into his office and says "How many times am I going to have to talk to you about crossing the line!?". It's just telling the audience that the hero cops reckless actions are a consistent pattern of behaviour. Almost all films use this kind of shorthand. wow its like jaws and romeo and juliet. thats so a valid point
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Hazo posted:My personal theory, and I could be totally wrong about this, was that it was partially kind of an angry post-hoc reaction to how they'd killed off both of the original trilogy characters whose actors were still alive, while Carrie passed unexpectedly and Leia was the only character left in the movies. It did seem like poor project management to plan to have the least healthy of the three carry the third film.
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That DICK! posted:wow its like jaws and romeo and juliet. thats so a valid point What?
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That DICK! posted:one of the best parts about Star Wars Galaxies was having the Force theme or the Qui-Gon funeral theme song hit at sunset while you were cruisin' the open fields on your speeder Felt this post in my soul.
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nine-gear crow posted:Hell, Rogue One whipped out the old rear end A New Hope Vader theme, the one that never shows up anywhere else in Star Wars. They should be getting some mileage out of that theme too, but they aren't. Yeah, they did a good job of turning the ANH Vader/Imperial motif into a full-fledged Imperial theme in Rogue One. I'm really puzzled at the Obiwan soundtrack coming across as a late 1970s early 1980's space opera attempt of a rip off. And I get complaints about the music during Lukes reveal in Mando, but it sort of made sense there since they didn't want to tip it off as Luke right away. *shrug* People mentioned earlier in the thread that it could be rights issues with John Williams or Michael Giacchino but.. that doesn't make sense given how much star wars media makes use of the various themes, worse case they would cut additional residual checks out to the parties involved. I know when I worked for Lucasfilm 100% of everything I did was owned lock stock and barrel in perpetuity. My other nitpick about the series is all the spaceship/speeder stuff feels off. The T-47's at the Fortress, Vader grabbing the escaping ship, it just felt off in timing. Plus a lack of establishing location shots and stuff for the spaceship nerds to geek out over. This would be the first live-action appearance of the Imperial Star Destroyer in the timeline and ... we basically cut right to the bridge interior scene and all we got to see was the shot with the 2 shuttles [with no fighter escort?]. I got no complaint about the bones/concept of the show so far, set dressing/locations/ talent, all that's fine its... just feels like the "B-team" is handling this show in some respects. Ah well, we'll have more stuff this fall to look at. Big K of Justice fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Jun 19, 2022 |
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That DICK! posted:wow its like jaws and romeo and juliet. thats so a valid point No one had to see Jack Ryan's military career before he was an analyst to know he could handle himself when Ramius handed him a gun in The Hunt for Red October. No one had to see whatever wounded Jake Sully and ruined his spine, just that he was a hardened veteran, in Avatar. No one had to show us Mark Watney training to explain how or why a botanist was on Mars in The Martian. And that's just three random movies on my shelf.
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Anita Dickinme posted:It’s all subject to opinion but the people who have decided this show sucks and still waste their lives away watching it every week and wasting more of their life posting about it are hilarious.  bruhh you’ve never watched a show waiting to see if it gets goodMaybe disney might pull a miracle here
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I'm here to watch a broken down space wizard reclaim his hope by realising that goodness didn't die with the Jedi. Well, this is where we get to the real point - Obiwan wasn’t particularly “broken down” at the end of Star Wars Episode 3. Jedis losing their powers due to depression was never a thing until Star Wars Episode 8. And what is ‘badness’ in the Obiwan Show? Where did these ‘inquisitor’ guys come from? The answer is that the show is actually designed to lead directly into the “Sequel Trilogy”. The bad organization devoted exclusively to hunting down Jedis, kidnapping children, and harvesting DNA to make Snoke Clones are obviously the First Order. The black-suited dorks are obviously precursors to The Knights Of Ren. Show-Obiwan is the dude who’s close friends with Leia & says “this will begin to make things right” while holding the key to Luke Skywalker’s whereabouts. This show is the retroactive prologue to Star Wars Episodes 6, 8, and 9.
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Jun 19, 2022 04:43
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its cool that disney made a new grade of lovely jedi that exists exclusively so they can be killed by actual jedi without it being a big deal. reminds me of how they ahve to keep inventing new types of space marines in 40k
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Karloff posted:It's no more unusual to enter the story that way than it is to enter Romeo & Juliet without having seen what caused the Capulets and Montagues to fall out. fuuuuck now I'm imagining Disney getting their hands on the Romeo and Juliet franchise and just churning out all the answers to questions no one ever had. A movie trilogy about how the Capulets and Montagues fell out, of course, and a prequel Young Romeo movie about the misadventures he had with his friends before he met Juliet (with a solo spinoff film for fan favorite Mercutio), and then a Gangs of Verona TV show that takes place a couple years before the play and stars a new cast of characters but they're always making references to Romeo and Juliet and they'll show up a few times each season.
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Phenotype posted:fuuuuck now I'm imagining Disney getting their hands on the Romeo and Juliet franchise and just churning out all the answers to questions no one ever had. A movie trilogy about how the Capulets and Montagues fell out, of course, and a prequel Young Romeo movie about the misadventures he had with his friends before he met Juliet (with a solo spinoff film for fan favorite Mercutio), and then a Gangs of Verona TV show that takes place a couple years before the play and stars a new cast of characters but they're always making references to Romeo and Juliet and they'll show up a few times each season. I would unironically watch the poo poo out of all of that.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Well, this is where we get to the real point - Obiwan wasn’t particularly “broken down” at the end of Star Wars Episode 3. SuperMechagodzilla posted:And what is ‘badness’ in the Obiwan Show? Where did these ‘inquisitor’ guys come from? SuperMechagodzilla posted:The answer is that the show is actually designed to lead directly into the “Sequel Trilogy”.
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I went into this show with an open mind, loving Ewan McGregor but not being a fan of the prequels. It's gotten so bad that my mind is now fully closed on it. I don't mind that the quality is patchy, I have to pick the bones out of wildly inconsistent Star Wars stuff all the time, but I do mind it just doesn't have a story to tell. Take the fact that baby Princess Leia has been captured, and Obi-Wan has to sneak in and rescue her, and during the extraction process is pursued by a powerful dark side force user and then they fly away at the end of the episode while watched by the dark jedi and bafflingly no Imperial navy tries to stop the departing ship. Which episode am I describing? Because that's both episode 2 and episode 4. The only difference being at least in the first case Obi-Wan at least tried to have a bit of a disguise going in. I can live with them recycling some SW tropes, it's that kind of franchise, but when they're repeating entire mini arcs within the same 6 episode mini series I find that indefensible. On top of everything else like Vader just watching them leave (twice), airspeeders doing an attack run on a secret base without being intercepted on the way in or out, the constant blundering, the poor chase sequences, the baffling tunnel, the "just walk around" gate, the total whiff on the music for the show... Not angry about it. There'll be more good Star Wars along soon enough. This seems like such a waste though. At least the prequels were visually stunning at times, and were dumb enough to be ironically fun (and very memeable).
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Asking Lucas about "canon" would be pretty dumb but I'm curious about what he would say about recreating younger/dead actors with CGI instead of finding new performers. In some ways it's a continuation of his embrace of CGI to free your work from physical limits, I guess.
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Since we're all talking about the music https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5BB5sQmLJE
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LividLiquid posted:I'm of the mind that Show, Don't Tell is often misunderstood. Another example of this kind of thing is the Nest Of Gundarks in Attack Of The Clones. Thanks to the boys at Red Letter Media we know this scene is pure exposition to tell the audience that Obi-Wan and Anakin have encountered Gundarks, a kind of creature which makes Nests. They're telling us about Gundarks when they should have just Shown a Gundark and the Jedi nodding thoughtfully, to establish they know what a Gundark is. That would have been better! But if you turn off the sound and look at the actors, it looks like Obi-Wan is smiling and laughing while Anakin is shaking his head in disapproval. Like Obi-Wan is having fun and Anakin thinks he should be taking it more seriously. If we add the context of Obi-Wan being a Jedi Master and Anakin his pupil, that's a bit of a weird dynamic for them to have, and suggests something isn't quite right with their relationship, foreshadowing their complaints about each other later on. Then if you turn the sound back up, it turns out that Obi-Wan is smiling and laughing about being rescued(by his apprentice!) from a situation which Anakin calls a "nightmare". Obi-Wan thought it was a fun adventure and Anakin thought it sucked rear end, on top of which "it's all Obi-Wan's fault!" I'd bet Anakin warned Obi-Wan about the Gundarks before he fell in, but Obi-Wan never listens. And this is just one of the many efficiently-written dialogues and complementary performances of the Star Wars prequels!
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I wonder if there were nerds back in the silent film era who misunderstood "show don't tell" as much as they do now and they docked points for every placard used.
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Kaedric posted:This might be a mindblowing realization for some people: but most folks actually want things to be good The Star Trek thread is a good example of this. In recent years, live action Trek has just been Discovery and Picard which were loving trash. And the thread did not let up in how upset everyone was. A cursory glance might have made someone think there was just no pleasing the nerds. But now Strange New Worlds has started and it is good. It's fun and explores all the great (and ridiculous) stuff that Star Trek is all about. And everyone is happy. And all it took was a good show. Obi-Wan is not good. It's watchable and there have been some good moments. But it is not a good show. So people are reacting accordingly. I haven't seen anyone really go overboard on hating it. Most people are just quietly disappointed and pointing out the things which they feel don't work and all the weird decisions with the direction, editing and plotting. And that's because, yes, everyone wanted Obi-Wan to be good. I know I certainly did 
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Yeah dogg, I'd describe what I'm doing now as "hatewatching" except I'm still really hoping for some fun Star Wars moments -- and I even got a really good one last episode with the Reva and Vader fight! And that makes it all the worse that the show behind it is a sloppily-plotted nostalgia grab.
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CODChimera posted:what's the next show? i hope it's worse than Obi Wan hehe Next show is Andor, everyone's favourite Rogue One character. Bad Batch S2 will be out this year as well. Then we'll have Mando Season 3 this winter and Ahsoka probably sometime in 2023.
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CODChimera posted:what's the next show? i hope it's worse than Obi Wan hehe Andor is out this August and at least the trailer looks good capturing Rogue One vibes. But the trailers for Obi-Wan looked really good too...
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kliras posted:speaking of upcoming shows, when are we supposed to see the secret trailers for mandalorian s3 and ahsoka s1 etc that was shown to private crowds a few weeks ago? I saw a few caps from what was said to be the Mando season 3 trailer they showed Mando in what looked like a ship hallway standing over a body and then him approaching a throne that kinda looked like the throne that Mandalore was ruled from. The pics were very much potato quality so you couldn't make out much.
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I'm enjoying the show but I won't fault people for not liking the direction and production quality. For me, Kenobi at the very least has maintained a solid emotional core with his, Leia's, Vader's, and Reva's arcs all resonating interestingly and in different ways. Yes, it looks cheap/amateur as poo poo at times but that doesn't bother me as much as it apparently does others. In contrast, Boba lost me when they rather ignobly killed off the Tuskens and only partially regained my interest when they brought back Din and Grogu. kliras posted:speaking of upcoming shows, when are we supposed to see the secret trailers for mandalorian s3 and ahsoka s1 etc that was shown to private crowds a few weeks ago? They're here in potato quality but typically they don't publicly release these private Celebration trailers because the VFX are often unfinished
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Kaedric posted:This might be a mindblowing realization for some people: but most folks actually want things to be good Yeah for sure. I think for me, I like to watch bad TV because then I'm able to recognize what is good TV. For example I just watched the entire Halo tv show and it was shockingly bad despite its huge budget. Obi Wan is actually a little similar but with just a few more likeable characters and a more coherent (albeit pointless) plot. Obi Wan is for all intents and purposes a pretty bad show with some redeeming qualities. Episode 5 was the best of the season so far, mostly because Ewan Mcgregor finally had some other good actors to work with. But for the most part this show was pretty trash. Disney deploying the woke marketing right before the show released told me one crucial thing: this show was going to be terrible. And it is what it is. This and Boba Fett have been pretty mid to ok. At worst it just loving sucks, but Star Wars has sucked ever since Disney bought it. I wonder what they're going to do with Mando season 3 now though. Andor could be ok, but the recent quality drop off with the star wars tv stuff is very noticeable and I'm not sure they're going to change course
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Hell ya lots of Bo Katan in that.
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Disney deploying the woke marketing what do you mean?
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Disney deploying the woke marketing right before the show released told me one crucial thing: this show was going to be terrible. Disney deploying what?
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Yea seriously, what the gently caress does "woke marketing" mean? Did you copy paste that from a youtube comment as a bit?
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Cross-Section posted:They're here in potato quality but typically they don't publicly release these private Celebration trailers because the VFX are often unfinished
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:what do you mean? Sorry I was just using shorthand. They started getting everyone out there and pre-empted the racism angle. I think it was cynical of them to do this considering how they had previously treated John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran. And while yes there are always going to be really bad actors on the internet and comment sections, I think putting that out there before the series even had aired kinda tipped their hand on the show's quality. The narrative they want to change is that we need to watch and support these actors and this tv show. While also trying to limit people criticizing the bad acting. E: Anyway my thoughts on her acting this series was that she sucked for most of the season and then finally had something to work with on the final episode. They just really don't give her anything until the end. E2: Twitter thread https://twitter.com/ChampagneSharks/status/1529200838727581696 The REAL Goobusters fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Jun 19, 2022 |
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Interesting convo with a workmate today. She loves Mando, and even has a Mando T-shirt. But she did NOT know that Book of Boba Fett is a stealth Mando season 2.5 and now she’s going home to watch episodes 5 onwards to catch up. As someone who loves the show and bought the merch, I wonder how many others like her exist who will have missed those, let’s be frank, loving essential parts of the Mando arc when S3 starts.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:I'm baffled by all the hate the show is getting, it's not a masterpiece but it's a neat little character study of a broken man trying to find hope. Gravitas Shortfall posted:The show is a pretty much a character study, so "McGregor is good as Obi Wan" is a legitimate reason.
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Parkingtigers posted:Interesting convo with a workmate today. She loves Mando, and even has a Mando T-shirt. But she did NOT know that Book of Boba Fett is a stealth Mando season 2.5 and now she’s going home to watch episodes 5 onwards to catch up. also, how many people are going to be confused as hell when they mention it in the ep1 recap, and people don't recall seeing the scenes on mando s2
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emgeejay posted:Ewan always gives it his all, but the show isn't a character study just because it has more close-ups than the Star Wars movies. We're not talking about Better Call Saul here. It's a character study because imo the plot is just a vehicle to let McGregor dig into Obi-Wan's internal state after the prequels, and to explore an arc where he recovers from survivor's guilt, no-one's seriously going into this thinking "oh man he might not rescue Leia" or "drat what if Vader kills him".
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Overall the show is okay to good, but I gotta say I really agree with that goon post on how Vader is a big drama loving nerd. Absolutely no reason for the Grand Inquistor reveal after gut stabbing someone other than the enjoyment of the theatrics.
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Sorry I was just using shorthand. They started getting everyone out there and pre-empted the racism angle. I think it was cynical of them to do this considering how they had previously treated John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran. And while yes there are always going to be really bad actors on the internet and comment sections, I think putting that out there before the series even had aired kinda tipped their hand on the show's quality. The narrative they want to change is that we need to watch and support these actors and this tv show. While also trying to limit people criticizing the bad acting. I can see this. I think the reaction to John Boyega was, sadly, organic, especially because it started based on the just the trailer. With the more recent stuff, the cynic in me really could see Disney consciously drawing attention to racists to deflect and diffuse criticism. Show is tanking on RottenTomato and IMDB ratings? Must be those drat legions of internet racists review bombing again! I'd imagine it also makes actual critics reluctant to go too hard on the show, because after all, who wants to side with racists? A less cynical take is that Kathleen Kennedy and crew are genuinely dumbfounded why fans aren't loving these projects and characters that are so awesome, and inspiring and well written, that it definitely can't be problems with those things so I guess it just must be racism and misogyny then.
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