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Arbites probably fill different roles depending on the structure/whims of the planet's ruling class. 40K's way too big to have standardisation.
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Well they're an Adepta in their own right and Adepta aren't really known for being super submissive to the local government especially since one of their primary purposes is to make sure they're paying the tithe/not selling the planet to xenos/not publically sacrificing citizens to Slaneesh/what have you. I would imagine the variation would be more based on whatever the sector precinct command wants them to be doing since that's sort of the 'high command' the vast majority of Arbites personnel are ever going to have any dealings with whatsoever. On the planetary level they adjust to local conditions and its up to the local Marshal to enforce things how they want to be enforced. A large part of the first Calpurnia book is about her adjusting from the by-the-book Ultramar operation to the more nuanced approach preferred in Hydraphur. But that is entirely handled within the chain of command of the Arbites itself. The Calpurnia books are really nice for Arbites fluff in general but I find the story in the later books frustrating. Ymmv.
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Jun 20, 2022 08:56
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Arbites primarily exist to ensure that a given planet fulfills it's obligations to Terra, not to deal with criminality. Of course the Imperium being the Imperium, some precincts of the Arbites may have different interpretations of where their authority begins and ends, so there probably are places where they pick up jaywalkers and pickpockets because of the butterfly effects on the maximally efficient running of the planet.
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So, looking at my Audible Library, I actually have more of Siege of Terra than I thought. I have up to Book 3. I'm sure I'm still very far behind now but do I need to read anything? I imagine I can't skip books like I did with the Heresy.
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You can probably skip Mortis and lose nothing of value. Solar War can be a bit of a slog at times but overall they're all pretty good.
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orphean posted:You can probably skip Mortis and lose nothing of value. Solar War can be a bit of a slog at times but overall they're all pretty good. Yeah Solar War was a big dud for me, but it does do a good job of reminding you what is going on in the galaxy 54 books into the HH series. I'm halfway through Lost and the Damned though and it's REALLY good.
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I found lost and the damned pretty meh but it does set up a lot of stuff well for the other books. Mortis is totally skippable I think. Fury of Magnus and sons of the Selenar are pretty flat.
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Funnily enough the first I ever heard of Arbites was reading a Necromunda battle report in White Dwarf where they shot up some Escher because the office campaign had gotten wildly one-sided. I bought a team a few years back and will, someday, strip and repaint them.
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I didn't get much out of Saturnine myself except for the subplot with the Army soldiers and especially the Piers stuff. I liked what he did there, very on the nose but I'm not exactly going to Warhammer for subtlety. Also with Arbites, remember that basically anything is possible in Warhammer. Maybe they do nothing but sit in their armoured Castle Greyskull and glower from the battlements (until the tithe is short, at which point heads roll), maybe they're workaday beat cops who say hello to the upspire neighbourhood kids on their way to do some American History X poo poo down in the hive slums.
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AnEdgelord posted:realistically the Arbites would fill a similar role to the FBI They came up briefly in Flesh and Steel and this was basically their thing
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Saturnine is wildly good, one of the best 40K books ever (and one of the few I’d put up against mainstream literary sci-fi in terms of quality of prose). Mortis is absolute dreck. Warhawk is great too, not at Saturnine’s level but up there. The rest are fairly middling, with The Lost and the Damned being higher and The First Wall being a bit lower
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Gotta wonder why they chose John French to be offered two books.
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For a higher-tier of bolter porn - Saturnine is incredibly satisfying. The bridge scene and the depiction of the sister of silence is worth reading for alone
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FPyat posted:Gotta wonder why they chose John French to be offered two books. Because he can put 'em out on time. Mortis feels like it was originally gonna be a couple of novellas that got stapled together when they realized how poorly the two halves fit together. I have no evidence of this other than the complete disconnect between the two main plots thematically.
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OPAONI posted:Because he can put 'em out on time. So John French is basically Black Library's version of Rob Liefeld?
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Angry Lobster posted:So John French is basically Black Library's version of Rob Liefeld? No that's Guy Haley.
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I think John French isn't that bad, maybe i'm a poor critic but i've liked his imperial fists stories in the horus heresy.
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Ardent Communist posted:I think John French isn't that bad, maybe i'm a poor critic but i've liked his imperial fists stories in the horus heresy.
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Thank God the Salamanders weren't at the Siege or we'd be reading a Nick Kyme book
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Plucky Brit posted:He's far from the worst. The issue with Mortis is it's sandwiched between Saturnine and Warhawk, so the difference in quality is much more obvious. John French isn't even a bad author. I liked his Ahriman trilogy and enjoyed the Solar War. Mortis is just.... dull. I don't know what happened.
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French is alright when he can run hog wild a little bit. I think his siege books suffered a bit from being semi-tightly leashed to a plot. His Inquisitor books are pretty good.
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AnEdgelord posted:I would recommend reading the Ravenor trilogy first, a significant amount of the fallout from that series is covered in some of the short stories from that book and all the short stories factor in to the much longer story that ends the book. You start by picking up Magus, turning to the reading order, and following it to the end. You'll read several short stories out of Magus before the actual novel. Grim Repast was good, the Crime series stays solid. I also just finished Requiem Infernal, and oh boy is that some classic, horror-themed warp madness. Five stars. It also has something that really endears a 40k novel to me: characters I'd want to convert or scratch build. A full set of the Blind Watchman and his entourage would be an awesome display piece. Also, it's completely Chaos Undivided. I don't think any of the four are mentioned by name.
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mllaneza posted:You start by picking up Magus, turning to the reading order, and following it to the end. You'll read several short stories out of Magus before the actual novel. Several of the named warp manifestations clearly serve one of the gods individually but they don’t name names
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Yeah that's not Chaos Undivided imo, that was 4 Chaos Gods and their dudes separately in a convergence, Malazan style. They didn't want Nurgle to have all the fun. Void-sealed and blood-tight. Brendan Rodgers fucked around with this message at 11:37 on Jun 21, 2022 |
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I really need to start hunting down Fehervari's work at some point.
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https://twitter.com/WarComTeam/status/1539269425450438658 Cover reveal for the next Warhammer Crime anthology. Hopefully there might be another Zidaro story in there considering Wraight is on the author list.
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mllaneza posted:You start by picking up Magus, turning to the reading order, and following it to the end. You'll read several short stories out of Magus before the actual novel. I am always so loving close to buying some Solar Auxilia or something to paint up as a Void Breacher kill team. And if I ever do chaos I want to figure out some way to do a full Incarnates type thing. Such a good book. Brendan Rodgers posted:Yeah that's not Chaos Undivided imo, that was 4 Chaos Gods and their dudes separately in a convergence, Malazan style. They didn't want Nurgle to have all the fun. It's pretty neat that Fehervari doesn't outright name the chaos gods and treats them more like a transformative, primal force. That said Jonah was Khorne, Asenath/Mercy was Slaanesh, Toland was Nurgle and The Addict/Olber was Tzeentch.. I think I have a pretty good idea of the main throughline of the Dark Coil but everytime I reread one I notice new connections, repeated phrases and new significance. Improbable Lobster fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Jun 21, 2022 |
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Nearing the end of The Lost and The Damned and (spoiler) I've been giggling like an idiot all day at the thought of Angron yelling HORUS, WITNESS ME, and jumping out of a space ship to slam into Earth like an asteroid
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Improbable Lobster posted:I think I have a pretty good idea of the main throughline of the Dark Coil but everytime I reread one I notice new connections, repeated phrases and new significance. 'It is not the truth of the answer that bears significance, but the sincerity of the seeker.' - The Torn Prophet Brendan Rodgers fucked around with this message at 12:35 on Jun 22, 2022 |
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https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/06/22/the-vulture-lord-answers-the-question-what-if-the-mayor-were-an-ossiarch-bonereaper/ Another AoS novel announced, this one focused around the
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Been switching between Valdor and master of mankind, and goddamn master of mankind is just amazing. Johnathon Keeble is the emperor of mankind (also see codex space marines trailer). I know you have to take anything the Emperor says with a grain of salt, but it’s really interesting and I also love the War in the Webway parts. Also goddamn Diocletian you are grumpy bastard. The exchange with him and the blood angel is a really great scene. I’m also loving the emperors talks with Ra.
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Gotta say Dorn is the primarch I was least interested in before the HH series and now with that plus the SoT stuff he’s probably #2/3 for me.
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I am old enough that I remember the time when Last Chancers was the only novel Gav had written. And it was actually pretty decent (the sequels don't hold up).
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I am so god damned tired of going to the black library site and seeing that all the new things are anthologies. They're like a quarter of the HH series at this point. Also Saturnine, Very Good, except for Olly Pies. Dan Abnett, you do not get to decide to make the heroic everyman of the setting actually be an ancient bronze age mythic hero BUT ALSO then have a guy with the same name do a superficially similar but actually thematically very different thing, and then sound all smug about how Stories Have Many Sources. I might have given them a pass on that if it wasn't the same author.
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von Metternich posted:I am so god damned tired of going to the black library site and seeing that all the new things are anthologies. They're like a quarter of the HH series at this point. But he does though? I mean it's not like he unilaterally did that. Everything in SoT is being decided by a group of all the authors and editors and then approved by management. BL is faced with writing the definitive account of what happened in the throne room. Over the decades there have been three different stories of Olly. What Abnett did in Saturnine is a brilliant way to show why all three of those versions make sense in universe in the modern time period and then still show us what definitely happened later in the series.
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its kinda similar to alpharius fuckin w peeps to get the multiple stories of alpharius in the alpharius book
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von Metternich posted:Also Saturnine, Very Good, except for Olly Pies. Dan Abnett, you do not get to decide to make the heroic everyman of the setting actually be an ancient bronze age mythic hero BUT ALSO then have a guy with the same name do a superficially similar but actually thematically very different thing, and then sound all smug about how Stories Have Many Sources. I might have given them a pass on that if it wasn't the same author. I honestly read them as the same character just with time fuckery involved. I'm aware this is contradicted by later books but 
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von Metternich posted:Also Saturnine, Very Good, except for Olly Pies. Dan Abnett, you do not get to decide to make the heroic everyman of the setting actually be an ancient bronze age mythic hero BUT ALSO then have a guy with the same name do a superficially similar but actually thematically very different thing, and then sound all smug about how Stories Have Many Sources. I might have given them a pass on that if it wasn't the same author. Abnett does whatever he pleases and whips his editor into submission whenever the word 'lore' is uttered.
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