Weatherdammerung 2024: I didn't expect it to get this weird and bad this soon

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Paradoxish: Dec 19, 2003; Will you stop going crazy in there?

I'm still pretty convinced that if we ever get to the stage where we actually start launching aerosols while saying "come at me bro" then we're probably also at the stage where another nuclear power will, in fact, come at us

# ? Jun 19, 2022 05:23

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# ? May 31, 2024 00:52

Butternubs: Feb 15, 2012

I say do it, cold apocalypse beats hot apocalypse IMO. If it gets too cold I can put on a sweater.

# ? Jun 19, 2022 06:29

the bitcoin of weed: Nov 1, 2014

if we start flying up aerosols into the atmosphere it just means we've committed to burning every fossil fuel we can find and death by starvation and deprivation over death by extreme heat event

# ? Jun 19, 2022 11:37

redleader: Aug 18, 2005; Engage according to operational parameters

the bitcoin of weed posted:

if we start flying up aerosols into the atmosphere it just means we've committed to burning every fossil fuel we can find and death by starvation and deprivation over death by extreme heat event

"if"

# ? Jun 19, 2022 12:09

Honky Mao: Dec 26, 2012

Should start ASAP imo, it's been pretty hot and I prefer it in the 70s

# ? Jun 19, 2022 20:32

biceps crimes: Apr 12, 2008

wish bill gates would do something about this already

# ? Jun 19, 2022 20:35

Gunshow Poophole: Sep 14, 2008; OMBUDSMAN
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SorePotato posted:

Should start ASAP imo, it's been pretty hot and I prefer it in the 70s

what if we increased the BTU rating of the planet's AC unit

# ? Jun 19, 2022 20:42

Grundulum: Feb 28, 2006

Gunshow Poophole posted:

what if we increased the BTU rating of the planet's AC unit

We tried adding CFC�s to the atmosphere. It didn�t go well.

# ? Jun 19, 2022 21:07

Pryor on Fire: May 14, 2013; they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

Grundulum posted:

We tried adding CFC�s to the atmosphere. It didn�t go well.

Good news, the ozone layer is disappearing again because of all the rocket launches. CFCs no longer required
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2021JD036373?af=R

# ? Jun 19, 2022 21:28

Rectal Death Adept: Jun 20, 2018; by Fluffdaddy

Butternubs posted:

I say do it, cold apocalypse beats hot apocalypse IMO. If it gets too cold I can put on a sweater.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufzNMqqKCi8&t=28s

# ? Jun 19, 2022 21:37

Real hurthling!: Sep 11, 2001

so windy today

# ? Jun 19, 2022 22:05

Iron Crowned: May 6, 2003; by Hand Knit

Give me an impact winter from a meteor

# ? Jun 19, 2022 22:54

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

bi crimes posted:

at least the heat dome seems to be moving

ah, wait a minute, I�ve just checked the notes and I think there�s been a typo. on my copy it clearly says to expect heat doom

# ? Jun 20, 2022 00:15

redleader: Aug 18, 2005; Engage according to operational parameters

Iron Crowned posted:

Give me an impact winter from a meteor

a good start, but we can fine tune the details. instead of one meteor impact creating a global nuclear winter that will kill billions, what we need to do is use a series of smaller, carefully selected meteors that create the exact right amount of nuclear winter to cancel out the effects of global warming. we probably only need to fire one or two a year at the earth, which is far easier than dealing with any of this biosphere stuff

# ? Jun 20, 2022 01:35

stringless: Dec 28, 2005; keyboard ⌨️ cowboy

just saw a brief "heat dome, we'll be talking about this more after this ad break!" bit -- followed by a pistachio commercial/Marvel tie-in lmao

pistachios take ~19 gallons of water per ounce

# ? Jun 20, 2022 07:20

Chamale: Jul 11, 2010; I'm helping!

FFT posted:

just saw a brief "heat dome, we'll be talking about this more after this ad break!" bit -- followed by a pistachio commercial/Marvel tie-in lmao

pistachios take ~19 gallons of water per ounce

Jesus. That's almost as much as pork.

# ? Jun 20, 2022 07:36

Milo and POTUS: Sep 3, 2017; I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

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# ? Jun 20, 2022 07:37

stringless: Dec 28, 2005; keyboard ⌨️ cowboy

it's not as bad as, say, almonds, which take like a gallon per almond (~120+ gallons/oz of almonds)

the industry stresses that this is "comparable" to pistachios and walnuts (~73.5 gallons/oz)

It's still loving mind boggling, sure it can be compared

# ? Jun 20, 2022 08:19

SirPablo: May 1, 2004; Pillbug

~~~~~~~HEAT DOME~~~~~~~

# ? Jun 20, 2022 15:14

JAY ZERO SUM GAME: Oct 18, 2005; Walter.
I know you know how to do this.
Get up.

hot outside

# ? Jun 20, 2022 15:43

RandomBlue: Dec 30, 2012; hay guys!; Biscuit Hider

FFT posted:

it's not as bad as, say, almonds, which take like a gallon per almond (~120+ gallons/oz of almonds)

the industry stresses that this is "comparable" to pistachios and walnuts (~73.5 gallons/oz)

It's still loving mind boggling, sure it can be compared

that's nuts

# ? Jun 20, 2022 16:50

Hooplah: Jul 15, 2006

RandomBlue posted:

that's nuts

# ? Jun 20, 2022 16:58

Shifty Nipples: Apr 8, 2007

it's a shame cause pistachios are really good

# ? Jun 20, 2022 19:45

Jabronie: Jun 4, 2011; In an investigation, details matter.

Don't spook the walnuts

# ? Jun 20, 2022 20:17

biceps crimes: Apr 12, 2008

is there any nut that doesn't directly lead to us dying of thirst or isn't harvested/processed by slave labor? (looking at you, cashews)

# ? Jun 20, 2022 20:36

Sushi The Kid: Sep 10, 2005; <img src="https://forumimages.somethingawful.com/images/newbie.gif" border=0>

bi crimes posted:

is there any nut that doesn't directly lead to us dying of thirst or isn't harvested/processed by slave labor? (looking at you, cashews)

Deez

# ? Jun 20, 2022 20:52

spacemang_spliff: Nov 29, 2014; wide pickle

bi crimes posted:

is there any nut that doesn't directly lead to us dying of thirst or isn't harvested/processed by slave labor? (looking at you, cashews)

peanuts?

# ? Jun 20, 2022 20:54

Sushi The Kid: Sep 10, 2005; <img src="https://forumimages.somethingawful.com/images/newbie.gif" border=0>

spacemang_spliff posted:

peanuts?

For a one-ounce serving of shelled peanuts, it only requires 4.7 gallons to grow.

Not bad

# ? Jun 20, 2022 21:14

DoombatINC: Apr 20, 2003; Here's the thing, I'm a feminist.

Jabronie posted:

Don't spook the walnuts

walnuts just tearin through the hay

(controversial: The Touch of Satan is a top three mst and might be my actual-favorite)

# ? Jun 20, 2022 21:16

hifi: Jul 25, 2012

i dont get why people eat almonds or cashews. 2-3x the price for worse flavor and texture

# ? Jun 20, 2022 21:19

hifi: Jul 25, 2012

looks like the monsoon starts tomorrow. dew point in the 60s is just inhumane

# ? Jun 20, 2022 21:27

Sushi The Kid: Sep 10, 2005; <img src="https://forumimages.somethingawful.com/images/newbie.gif" border=0>

We have hit 100+ heat index's for like 5 days straight in central MS. The humidity is real low, I kind of enjoyed it. Like right now, 96, heat index of 101, humidity is at 36%. Feels good, sat on the porch in the shade with a slight breeze for most of Sunday.

# ? Jun 20, 2022 21:32

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

spacemang_spliff posted:

peanuts?

quote:

Environment
Water footprint: moderate, it takes 2,782 liters of water to produce 1 kilogram of groundnuts in the shell / 333 gallons of water to produce 1 pound of groundnuts in the shell | moderate, it takes 3,974 liters of water to produce 1 kilogram of shelled groundnuts / 476 gallons of water to produce 1 pound of shelled groundnuts

Carbon footprint: low, 0.57 kg CO2e to produce 1 kilogram or 2.2 pounds of fresh peanuts, a car driving equivalent of 1.5 miles or 2.5 kilometers

Destruction: low, peanut production is relatively sustainable, there is no known significant damage to air, water, land, soil, forests, etc. as long as pesticides have not been used, be sure to buy Non-GMO/organic, as toxic, chemical pesticides contaminate air, water, soil, etc., peanuts naturally replenish the soil with nitrogen, an essential nutrient for plant growth

Peanuts are�

Sustainable
Animals
Kills: none, peanut production does not require any animals to be killed

Harms: none, peanut production does not require any animals to be used

Indirectly kills or harms: none, no animals are indirectly killed or harmed from peanut production as long as toxic chemicals have not been used, be sure to buy Non-GMO/organic, as pesticides harm and kill wildlife and ecosystems by contaminating soil, water, air and plants that animals eat

Peanuts are�

Vegan
Harmful to wildlife and ecosystems unless organic
Laborers
Health and safety: varies, overall, agriculture continues to be one of the most dangerous industries, farmworkers may be subject to dehydration, heat stroke, unprotected exposure to harmful, toxic chemicals and pesticides, unsafe machinery and clean drinking water may not always accessible

Living conditions: varies, laborers are often exploited, they may face tough working conditions including long hours in the sun and heat performing physically exhausting tasks, labor laws and rights may or may not be in place, even if worker protection exists, employer violations may go unreported, refugees and migrant workers are especially vulnerable to abuse and mistreatment, fearing consequences of job loss or deportation

Wages: varies, generally farmworkers earn meager wages, there are many cases of underpaid agricultural workers, wage theft and no overtime payment or benefits

Peanuts�

May involve worker exploitation, laborer issues, human rights concerns

Where do most peanuts come from? 📍

India and China together account for more than half of the world�s peanut production.

In the United States peanuts are produced in Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Mississippi, South Carolina, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Texas Virginia and North Carolina.

footprint.
water footprints of food and products
Do peanuts have a high or low water footprint?

Peanuts have a relatively moderate water footprint compared to other foods.

What is the water footprint of peanuts?

It takes 2,782 liters of water to produce 1 kilogram of groundnuts in the shell / 333 gallons of water to produce 1 pound of groundnuts in the shell | 3,974 liters of water to produce 1 kilogram of shelled groundnuts / 476 gallons of water to produce 1 pound of shelled groundnuts.

Did you know that water is a finite, non-renewable resource? Once it�s gone, it�s gone!

How much water does it take to produce an apple? A serving of rice? A steak dinner?

We need to be aware of something referred to as a �water footprint�. That is, the amount of fresh water utilized in the production or supply of goods we consume. As it turns out it takes significantly more water to yield foods that come from animals than foods that come from plants. Imagine how much water a cow needs to consume to generate a piece of beef. Not only how much water a single cow drinks, rather all the water that went into producing the crops that the cow ate.

Find out how much water your food consumes with this: Water Footprints of Foods and Ingredients List

peanuts have a low carbon footprint.
carbon footprints of food and food emissions
Do peanuts have a high or low carbon footprint?

Peanuts have a relatively low carbon footprint compared to other foods.

What is the carbon footprint of peanuts?

It takes around 0.57 kg CO2e to produce 1 kilogram or 2.2 pounds of fresh peanuts, a car driving equivalent of 1.5 miles or 2.5 kilometers.

Food not only has a water footprint but also a carbon footprint, known as CO2e, which stands for carbon dioxide equivalent. Since carbon measurements are a bit more difficult to comprehend, it is common to equate CO2e to the distance which a car drives in miles or kilometers.

When calculating carbon emissions, some factors may include�

farm equipment
animal feed production
hothouses (greenhouses)
food processing
packaging
transport
refrigeration
freezing
package waste and more
But that�s not all!

It�s best to keep the following in mind when grocery shopping:

shopping locally reduces transportation emissions
food without packaging reduces waste as well as the carbon footprint
refrigerated and frozen foods increase carbon emissions
seasonal foods reduce carbon emissions from hothouses (greenhouses)
growing plant-based foods at home is the most environmentally sustainable method with zero carbon footprint
Find out how much carbon your food emits with this: Carbon Footprints of Foods and Ingredients List

peanuts are sustainable.
sustainable shopping, for eco friendly brands and products good for the environment
Overall, are peanuts eco friendly? Are peanuts sustainable?

Peanut production is relatively sustainable since there is no known significant damage to air, water, land, soil, forests, etc. as long as pesticides have not been used. Be sure to buy non GMO/organic, as toxic, chemical pesticides contaminate air, water, soil, etc. when using regenerative practices.

A 2018 Oxford University study � which is the most comprehensive analysis to date of the damage farming does to the planet � found that �avoiding meat and dairy is the single biggest way to reduce your impact on Earth� as animal farming provides just 18% of calories but takes up 83% of our farmland.

Consuming animal products and byproducts is not environmentally friendly and is one of the worst things for the Earth. Not only is meat production wasteful, it causes enormous amounts of pollution. The industry is one of the biggest causes of climate change.

peanuts are vegan.
benefits of vegan food to eat on a vegan diet which helps save animals
Are peanuts vegan?

Yes, peanuts are vegan. Peanuts are legumes and not an animal product or byproduct, therefore making it a vegan food.

According to Sentient Media, �more than 200 million land animals are killed for food around the world every day. Including wild-caught and farmed fishes, we get a total closer to 3 billion animals killed daily.�

Animals of factory farming are suffering. They live in horrific conditions that often include confinement, physical abuse and unnatural environments�so much so that they need to receive antibiotics to keep from getting ill or spreading disease. Growth hormones allow all kinds of animals to become fatter faster and live short lives.

Because we cannot see for ourselves how these animals live and what they endure does not mean it isn�t happening. The meat, poultry and dairy industries do everything they can to distance us from knowing how our food comes to be in order to keep us in the dark about what we support each time we buy animal derived products and byproducts.

Go vegan for animals!

It�s the best way to help animals and it�s not as difficult as you may think. Speak for animals with your actions, for they cannot speak at all.

Going vegan is easier than ever, at a glance with this: Vegan and Non-Vegan Foods List

peanuts may have labor issues and human rights concerns.
benefits of buying fair trade, labor rights, human rights and workers rights issues
Are peanuts a product with labor concerns?

At this time there have been no major concerns with peanut production but that doesn�t mean it isn�t happening!

It�s important to stay aware of human rights concerns and worker exploitation that may come with specific brands.

Did you know the single largest employer in the world is agriculture? The labor involved behind each and every product cannot go unrecognized.

Some known problems include workplace health and safety, child labor, gender inequality, inadequate pay, wage theft and exploitation. Workers can even experience harassment, humiliation and violence and unfair employers often fail to provide laborers with access to shade, drinking water, restrooms and breaks.

Such mistreatment is like modern day slavery. Workers are often afraid to report issues because they fear it will result in losing their jobs or deportation.

Fair trade organizations fight to ensure better social, environmental and economic standards.

We can improve people�s lives with foods we eat every day simply by buying products that are certified fair trade.

This post was all about peanut benefits and side effects.

this seems like a good resource for wallet voter literacy and ethical consuming: https://www.healabel.com/peanut-benefits/

# ? Jun 20, 2022 22:07

RandomBlue: Dec 30, 2012; hay guys!; Biscuit Hider

hifi posted:

i dont get why people eat almonds or cashews. 2-3x the price for worse flavor and texture

I've run the numbers and by god you're right!

# ? Jun 20, 2022 22:24

Pryor on Fire: May 14, 2013; they don't know all alien abduction experiences can be explained by people thinking saving private ryan was a documentary

I can gently caress up some pistachios, by far the best nut

# ? Jun 20, 2022 22:51

Perry Mason Jar: Feb 24, 2006; "Della? Take a lid"

pistachio is a god tier nut, which is why we're being punished for enjoying it

# ? Jun 21, 2022 00:34

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

i tried to find out about how it�s going in places they grow pistachios traditionally, and I found this nycrimes article interesting reading:

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/19/world/middleeast/scarred-riverbeds-and-dead-pistachio-trees-in-a-parched-iran.html posted:

Scarred Riverbeds and Dead Pistachio Trees in a Parched Iran
Dec. 18, 2015

POUZE KHOON, Iran � The early-morning sun meagerly brightened the gloom of this sad township, a collection of empty, crumbling houses along a highway through the dusty desert landscape in southeastern Iran.

Until a decade or so ago, Amin Shoul would come here every year to help his father harvest pistachios, the nuts that are as much a symbol of Iran as caviar. Now, with the last reserves of groundwater tapped out, the family�s grove and the seemingly endless fields beyond it are filled with dead trees, their bone-colored branches a deathly contrast to the turquoise sky.

Mr. Shoul, 32, a journalist, said he and his family had moved away years ago, leaving the house to squatters, unemployed laborers living off meager government stipends � and even they had started to leave. �I don�t see how we can ever return to the past,� he remarked, matter-of-factly.

As Iran emerges from isolation after signing a nuclear agreement with the West, attention has focused on its business relations, particularly in the oil and airline industries. But Iran needs expertise in a number of areas, including the environment. Most pressing in that regard is its impending water crisis.

[Amin Shoul inspected his family's dead pistachio trees in the dried-up grove near Pouze Khoon, Iran.]

Iran is in the grip of a seven-year drought that shows no sign of breaking and that, many experts believe, may be the new normal. Even a return to past rainfall levels might not be enough to head off a nationwide water crisis, since the country has already consumed 70 percent of its groundwater supplies over the past 50 years.

Always arid, Iran is facing desertification as lakes and rivers dry up and once-fertile plains become barren. According to the United Nations, Iran is home to four of the 10 most polluted cities in the world, with dust and desertification among the leading causes.

In Zanjan, northwest of Tehran, the historic Mir Baha-eddin Bridge crosses a riverbed of sand, stones and weeds. In Gomishan, on the shores of the Caspian Sea, the fishermen who once built houses on poles surrounded by freshwater now have to drive for miles to reach the receding shoreline. In Urmia, close to the Turkish border, residents have held protests to demand that the government return water to a once-huge lake that is now the source only of dust storms.

More than 15 percent of the approximately 150,000 acres of pistachio trees in the main producing area in Kerman Province have died in the last decade or so.

A nationwide network of dams, often heralded by state television as a sign of progress and water management, is adding to water shortages in many places while helping deplete groundwater. In Isfahan, the once-iconic Zayanderud River is now a dusty scar the size of the Seine snaking through the city, because officials were forced to divert its water to the desert city of Yazd.

In Tehran, officials barely managed to keep the water running this summer as reservoirs shrank to dangerously low levels. Subsidies for water and electricity encourage overconsumption in urban areas. Isa Kalantari, a former minister of agriculture, warns that more than half of Iran�s provinces could become uninhabitable within 15 years, displacing millions of people.

As in drought-stricken California, agriculture accounts for about 90 percent of water consumption in Iran. And here, matters are not helped by the prevalence of crude, centuries-old irrigation methods and other wasteful practices.

Where there are no longer rivers and lakes to be tapped, desperate farmers and municipalities are turning to dwindling groundwater supplies. Drillers report that they are increasingly coming up dry, even at depths of more than 600 feet. When they do find water, they say, it is often polluted with heavy metals and arsenic, released as the drill bits break through sediment.

[transcript
The Empty River of Life

There is something strange going on in Isfahan, where the water under the famous Bridge of 33 Arches has disappeared.

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There is something strange going on in Isfahan, where the water under the famous Bridge of 33 Arches has disappeared.
]

The changing landscape is all too visible in Kerman Province. In a not-so-distant past, the area was a beltway of green stretching for hundreds of square miles, using groundwater to produce grain and pistachios. Now, the sun bakes treeless plains that are increasingly giving way to deserts. During storms, the dead trees lose their branches, turning them into stumps, while the dust swirls about in ever-growing quantities.

In the dead pistachio grove, a rare rainstorm recently left white lines in the red soil.

�Salt and other things,� Mr. Shoul said � residue from the contaminated water brought up by wells that sucked the last remaining groundwater years ago. He said he had kidney stones, as do many others in the region: a result, he said, of their drinking water from the taps.

�The irony,� he said, �is that I have to drink even more water to reduce the pain.�

Just over 50 miles north, in the city of Sirjan, decisions long postponed have begun to impose themselves on local officials, forcing them to make difficult choices in allocating scarce water supplies.

Wedged between two newly built neighborhoods of five-story apartment buildings, a convoy of water trucks waited in line to fill their 5,000-gallon tanks. Under a deal with the local water management company, up to 400 of these trucks a day draw water from the city�s main well and head to the Golgohar iron mine, the largest such mine in the Middle East. It employs over 7,000 people, many of them from Sirjan, and a water shortage has compounded an already difficult situation brought on by collapsing iron ore prices.

[A farmer watering his young pistachio trees by flooding the field. The centuries-old irrigation method is wasteful since most of the water evaporates quickly.]

�It is internationally unprecedented to carry water with tankers, but we have no other way,� Naser Taghizadeh, chief executive of the Golgohar Iron Ore Company, told the local Negarestan news outlet. �If water is not taken to the complex, projects are stopped, and many people will lose their jobs.�

Residents have objected and even staged a sit-in, but the tankers keep coming for the water, kicking up clouds of fine dust as they drive off. The drivers, often from the city, say they are scorned by their neighbors. �We need to feed our families too,� one of them, Saaed Salimizadeh, said. �When the water runs out, it will run out for all of us. We have to choose between jobs and drinking water.�

Sirjan is by no means alone in its water shortages. In surrounding Kerman Province, 1,455 of 2,064 village reservoirs have dropped below levels needed to sustain the population, according to the local water management agency. The semiofficial Mehr news agency reported in July, citing local statistics, that 541 villages were dependent on tanker deliveries for their water.

It is not just water levels that are declining. �The quality of the water has decreased dramatically, as have the levels of the underground water,� Akbar Mahmoud Abadi, a deputy at the local department of the Ministry of Agricultural Jihad in Sirjan, said in a written reply to questions. �The condition is very worrisome.�

[
An orchard of dead trees near the village of Pouze Khoon. Until a decade ago, the pistachio groves were green. Now there is no rain and the groundwater is almost all gone.
]

Kerman Province remains one of the largest producers of pistachios in the world, but its irrigation methods are frequently outdated. In one field, a farmer, Ismael Alizadeh, opened an eight-inch water pipe during the middle of the day, under the burning sun, flooding a field of pistachio trees. �We have always done it like this,� he said with a shrug.

Soheil Sharif, a major producer in the area, said other farmers had ridiculed him when he installed a $600,000 drip irrigation system in his 90-acre pistachio grove a few years ago. But now his farm is green, while others around it have dried up.

He blamed the government for keeping energy and water prices low, saying that he paid only $270 a month for his electricity bill, covering his huge pump and 20 employees. �It�s ridiculous,� he said. �And while we have no water, its price is also dirt cheap.�

His investment has paid off, Mr. Sharif, 44, acknowledged. �I have bought myself another 15 years,� he said as he walked among freshly picked pistachio trees. That is just enough to last to his retirement.

�After that,� he said, �this place, like everything else here, is done for.�

# ? Jun 21, 2022 00:47

redleader: Aug 18, 2005; Engage according to operational parameters

mawarannahr posted:

i tried to find out about how it’s going in places they grow pistachios traditionally, and I found this nycrimes article interesting reading:

"no way to foresee this" -- every single human civilization throughout history

# ? Jun 21, 2022 01:57

tater_salad: Sep 15, 2007

I really hate that I buy almond milk. But it's so low in sugar it is amazing for my diabetic kid. Cow milk like doubles the amount of sugar for their breakfast if they decide to want cereal.

# ? Jun 21, 2022 01:59

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# ? May 31, 2024 00:52

Epic High Five: Jun 5, 2004

tater_salad posted:

I really hate that I buy almond milk. But it's so low in sugar it is amazing for my diabetic kid. Cow milk like doubles the amount of sugar for their breakfast if they decide to want cereal.

How's oatmilk in comparison? It's the only other alternative I hear widely praised as actually good though I personally remain a big fan of unflavored soy milk

# ? Jun 21, 2022 02:01

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