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JazzFlight posted:This is a slightly off-topic complaint, but while I still get excited watching the Marvel intro animation, the Star Wars one really hasn't captured that same spark. Case in point: they keep trying to switch up the iconic helmets and droids that the light flashes over and they're really scraping the bottom of the barrel now. There was a blue metallic sink-looking droid (?) in the last episode's intro and I thought they were trolling by this point. Scrub back to the beginning, you'll see it. they own fox, just bring back the fox fanfare and have it say star wars instead! problem solved
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Why would an antifascist try to kill Darth Vader, well known Christian socialist?
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Again, this is not true. They were introduced in a video game as miniboss enemies for the player to fight, then expanded on in animated shows. You're reaching for connections that aren't there. I'm talking about the live-action stuff, since since the cartoons and videogames are even more disconnected from the narrative. YaketySass posted:Why would an antifascist try to kill Darth Vader, well known Christian socialist? The most pernicious trick of the Obiwan show is to erase the distinction between Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker. The character called Vader in the show is effectively a new character that we could refer to, more accurately, as Anakin In A Helmet.
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Jun 20, 2022 17:23
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Literally the only time in the entire franchise that Vader has not been “Anakin in a Helmet” was 1977, my dude.
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Jun 20, 2022 17:26
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Lego Star Wars: Summer Vacation teaser trailer
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:I'm talking about the live-action stuff, since since the cartoons and videogames are even more disconnected from the narrative. You're discounting everything that doesn't fit your own narrative.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:You're discounting everything that doesn't fit your own narrative. Look how many times they insist on referring to Reva as Reza, for instance.
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Bouncing off the review comments, I think it's safe to say that roughly half of the fanbase find Obi Wan a bad or at least disappointing show. The idiots/ racists maybe make up say 1% of those fans, and rightfully so they've been called out and a stand has been taken against them by the cast, Disney etc. But there is no doubt in my mind Disney externally and internally will reduce all criticism of Obi Wan to merely just being because they cast a black actress, rather than the plot, acting, editing, direction etc etc being poor, and they'll just continue to fart out whatever they can. Ultimately as a company it's more just about cranking out the product to keep Disney+ subscriber numbers up rather than producing quality shows. Yes a lot of fans are saddened by how poor the majority a lot of the SW content Disney has put out has been, and some think the racist comments or review bombing will distract Disney from addressing the actual real complaints about the quality of the films and tv shows, if we're being realistic if there had been zero issues with racism towards Obi Wan Disney still wouldn't listen to the criticism because the fan base is probably too dedicated so these things print money no matter how poorly reviewed they are. So to anyone getting annoyed that Disney is deflecting or ignoring real criticism of Obi Wan and choosing to (rightfully as you should attack those types) highlight the small minority being racist assholes instead, don't waste your energy because your voice would have been drowned out by the increasing Disney+ subscriber count anyway, Disney doesn't care, it's a corporation and the people that matter just want the $$$ to go up. When it comes to good content from Disney it's really just going to come down to luck, like the fans got lucky that Filoni happens to be a massive Star Wars fan while also being a very competent writer, director etc. I would say Jon Favreau also but I think while he cares about the product, The Book of Boba Fett showed he can crank out something pretty mediocre. I've just come to accept that probably 75% of the stuff Disney will release will be bad because it's just a content factory at this point. Saying that though, while yes I get people who dont have an affinity for Marvel disliking a lot of the Disney+ stuff they've put out, they do a pretty drat good job producing shows that the majority of the fanbase loves or at least considers good so I don't really know what's going wrong with SW at Disney, maybe it comes down to the people overseeing it all. But then we're back to the conversation that Kathleen Kennedy should be replaced and that opens a whole other can of worms (and she wont be because again, number goes up).
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JazzFlight posted:Just as an aside, SMG is a bit of an out-there troll and likes to put forth really outrageous takes, so you don't necessarily need to engage. Yeah I know, it's just tiresome
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Literally the only time in the entire franchise that Vader has not been “Anakin in a Helmet” was 1977, my dude. There's actually a shitload of dialogue to the contrary in the OT. Like, entire debates about the distinction: "You told me Vader betrayed and murdered my father." "Your father was seduced by the dark side of the force. He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker and became Darth Vader. When that happened, the good man who was your father was destroyed. So, what I told you was true.. from a certain point of view." Obiwan isn't exactly wrong: in the Lucas films, Vader is a psychologically distinct character who emerges after the trauma of accidentally killing his wife, losing all four limbs, and being burned alive. His mind and his body are entirely different. However, Obiwan is not actually being truthful because Anakin Skywalker was not actually a good man. The prequels show that he was a fascist who, like, massacred a village of sand-persons and eagerly fought in the bogus Clone War. That context is vital to understanding Vader's complete indifference to Anakin: "That name no longer has meaning to me." The debate over Vader's identity is a political debate. Luke is just naive, believing that the Republic was just a utopia and the Jedi were avatars of goodness. Obiwan's assertion that the fascist Anakin was good until he joined the Sith shows that he was willing to turn a blind eye as long as they were 'on the same team'. Vader's assertion that Anakin is "meaningless" and not worth bringing back is the anti-fascist stance.
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People get mad because SMG is simultaneously an out there troll and has watched the films and understands them more closely that you have
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I don’t think LF is defending the show, they’re just saying stop harassing this person and being racist. They didn’t say anything about liking it or not.
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Sash! posted:I think the Inquistors, as a group, is stupid and I wish they didn't exist They're okay from the point of view of "I want my show/videogame/RPG to have protagonists that can use the Force but aren't Luke Skywalker but I don't want to have to have them fighting/fleeing from Darth loving Vader himself every episode." One reason I liked both Solo and Rogue One as much as I did is that they didn't center around loving space super-wizards.
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That DICK! posted:they were apparently created for the roleplaying game in the 80s, how quickly we all forget poor jerec I literally found that out yesterday.  I was reading up on Dark Force Jedi Knight and apparently Jerec was a good inquisitor.  They're an old group.Honestly, inquisitors make sense up to a point.
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Darth TNT posted:I literally found that out yesterday. reading about it more i actually like this take on inquisitors more, seems like they were more scholars investigating ark of the covenant-style poo poo as opposed to intentionally lovely mooks that vader lazily outsourced his jedi hunting to.
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Alchenar posted:People get mad because SMG is simultaneously an out there troll and has watched the films and understands them more closely that you have Well, except there's no such thing as a troll. I'm simply interested in all the differing interpretations of Star Wars - the "certain points of view" and the actual truth. Like, a dude (and who has presumably watched every Star Wars movie!) has just claimed that Darth Vader has all along been a diegetic illusion. It was, all along, just Anakin in a costume - tricking people. That's a pretty wild take, since none of the characters believe that. Not even Luke Skywalker believes it! Luke's whole deal at the end of Episode 6 is that he believes Anakin's hidden "inside" Vader - meaning specifically that Vader must have some tiny hidden grain of lingering Republican sentiment. So, when Vader sacrifices himself to kill the emperor, Luke interprets this as an personal endorsement of the New Republic. Oops! SuperMechagodzilla fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Jun 20, 2022 |
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That DICK! posted:reading about it more i actually like this take on inquisitors more, seems like they were more scholars investigating ark of the covenant-style poo poo as opposed to intentionally lovely mooks that vader lazily outsourced his jedi hunting to. Rebels has a (non-Inquisitor) take on that too, though that story is a bit divisive.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Well, except there's no such thing as a troll. I'm simply interested in all the differing interpretations of Star Wars - the "certain points of view" and the actual truth.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Well, except there's no such thing as a troll. I'm simply interested in all the differing interpretations of Star Wars - the "certain points of view" and the actual truth. Well, that last part's a bit of a reach. Anakin never struck me as someone who gave much of a poo poo about larger entities/organizations either as a Jedi or as Vader. He was always focused on those relatively few people with whom he had a genuinely close connection. Now, that close connection doesn't necessarily mean a positive connection. Anakin/Vader loves deeply (and somewhat obsessively) and hates the same way. I also don't see Anakin as Vader as him just dressing in a costume to "trick people." It's a psychological survival mechanism. By the end of Revenge of the Sith Anakin Skywalker has lost his health and body image, his teacher, apprentice and comrades in the Jedi Order and his whole place within the universe of the Republic. And he's also lost his wife and child/children, when saving them was the reason he'd sacrificed all that other stuff in the first place. The only person he has left in his life is loving Shreev Palpatine. So, yeah, Anakin Skywalker becomes a new person, Darth Vader, to deal with the grief and loss engendered by his own choices. Things changed toward the end of Empire Strikes Back when he came to realize that he hadn't lost everything. He had a son. His child with Padme. And in the end he sacrificed himself to save his son, whose love had brought him back from the Dark Side.
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Everyone posted:One reason I liked both Solo and Rogue One as much as I did is that they didn't center around loving space super-wizards. I'm always taken aback by this because, really, the space wizards is what makes it Star Wars. That's the distinguishing trait.
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Sash! posted:I'm always taken aback by this because, really, the space wizards is what makes it Star Wars. That's the distinguishing trait. 
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Sash! posted:I'm always taken aback by this because, really, the space wizards is what makes it Star Wars. That's the distinguishing trait. Honestly to me the thing that distinguished Star Wars from other space things like Buck Rogers, Battlestar Galactica (the 70s one) and Star Trek was the dirty "lived in" quality. Everything those other shows was always so clean and shiny - like a model home instead of a place where people actually live. Star Wars looked like people actually lived there.
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Sash! posted:I'm always taken aback by this because, really, the space wizards is what makes it Star Wars. That's the distinguishing trait. As someone whose formative years were centered around the LucasArts Star Wars games, which very handily expanded the universe away from and outside of the Skywalker Bullshit, the idea that Star Wars is and always should be exclusively about space wizards and is purely about space wizards at its heart and soul is just so alien to me.
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as a kid I was into the TIE fighters and X-wings. I knew there were lightsabres, but I was like whatever
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Mandalorian is the best SW has been in ages and while yea sure there's Jedi poo poo mixed in there the best parts of it are not that and the show would still be great without any mention of the force. Like Boba Fett sucked due to it's writing etc but how anyone can look at that show and say "This doesn't feel like Star Wars because there's no space wizards" is a bit insane.
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Just Chamber posted:Mandalorian is the best SW has been in ages and while yea sure there's Jedi poo poo mixed in there the best parts of it are not that and the show would still be great without any mention of the force. Nah it really wouldn't. It would be fine but that's all it would be. What makes Star Wars Star Wars is that baked into the setting is that there is a fundamental force of good in the universe and if you believe in it then your faith will be rewarded. Mando meeting Grogu and bonding with the cute baby is a fine retelling of a standard Western story. Gorgu being force sensitive is the catalyst for Mando's entire belief structure to come crashing down as he is confronted with a truth he cannot understand, and that's what's driving his character progression.
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Alchenar posted:Nah it really wouldn't. It would be fine but that's all it would be.
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Hakkesshu posted:My guy I have worked in marketing for 20 years, there is no such thing as an employee that is sitting around writing or commissioning fake reviews in the scale of thousands It is awesome to completely ignore what’s been happening in marketing over the last 20 years.
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Just Chamber posted:Bouncing off the review comments, I think it's safe to say that roughly half of the fanbase find Obi Wan a bad or at least disappointing show. The idiots/ racists maybe make up say 1% of those fans, and rightfully so they've been called out and a stand has been taken against them by the cast, Disney etc. But there is no doubt in my mind Disney externally and internally will reduce all criticism of Obi Wan to merely just being because they cast a black actress, rather than the plot, acting, editing, direction etc etc being poor, and they'll just continue to fart out whatever they can. Ultimately as a company it's more just about cranking out the product to keep Disney+ subscriber numbers up rather than producing quality shows. Agree. It says a lot about Disney when in their own words they realized the only reason Solo was bad was because they recast Han Solo. They’re never going to actually admit what they did or why what they made was bad.
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Gravitas Shortfall posted:Again, this is not true. They were introduced in a video game as miniboss enemies for the player to fight, then expanded on in animated shows. You're reaching for connections that aren't there. The canon inquisitors were made for the show rebels while the force awakens was finishing filming. The team making rebels was well aware of the knights of ren at this time There were inquisitors In the old canon but they were very different in concept and execution
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Just Chamber posted:Bouncing off the review comments, I think it's safe to say that roughly half of the fanbase find Obi Wan a bad or at least disappointing show. The idiots/ racists maybe make up say 1% of those fans, and rightfully so they've been called out and a stand has been taken against them by the cast, Disney etc. But there is no doubt in my mind Disney externally and internally will reduce all criticism of Obi Wan to merely just being because they cast a black actress, rather than the plot, acting, editing, direction etc etc being poor, and they'll just continue to fart out whatever they can. Ultimately as a company it's more just about cranking out the product to keep Disney+ subscriber numbers up rather than producing quality shows. Well their new toy story movie is flopping hard at the box office so hopefully they learn eventually even the sheep will stop giving money for poo poo products
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There were over two dozen Stormtroopers who literally saw that happening in plain view and went "Man, I'm not being paid enough to deal with whatever this poo poo is."
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Noob Saibot posted:sheep 
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nine-gear crow posted:There were over two dozen Stormtroopers who literally saw that happening in plain view and went "Man, I'm not being paid enough to deal with whatever this poo poo is." Honestly just give him Jedi mind trick brand cologne or something that makes everyone around him a dumb rear end
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Bip Roberts posted:Honestly just give him Jedi mind trick brand cologne or something that makes everyone around him a dumb rear end Excuse you, her name is Leia  Did you not see her use her powers in earlier episodes to run circles around adults?
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My 11 year old was pissed at episode 3 of Obi Wan. We watched the YouTube clip of the ANH Obi Wan/Vader fight right after and his kept going “now the dialogue doesn’t make any sense!” My problem with most Star Wars media is that it’s a mile wide an an inch deep. There is probably a great story about Obi Wan Kenobi living in exile that does not have him swashbuckling across the galaxy saving Princess Leia and fighting Darth Vader again. My kid pointed out that in ANH Luke peels off and goes to watch the fight but Leia keeps going for the Falcon. If she had such a long history with Obi Wan wouldn’t she too get distracted by the battle her old protector was waging. I dunno. I got over being mad about Star Wars in 1999. It’s just kinda meh. davecrazy fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Jun 21, 2022 |
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I honestly wouldn't in a million years have guessed the plot of the Obi-Wan show would be "he travels around with Leia and gets chased by Darth Vader". I thought like at most they'd figure out a way to get him off Tatooine
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