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Biden administration is announcing a dramatic plan this week to require all cigarettes sold in the U.S. to eliminate nearly all nicotine from their products. It wouldn't start until at least 2024, but cigarette manufacturers will have to remove 95% to 99% of nicotine from their products. https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1539227902671060992 quote:The Science Behind Biden’s Nicotine Plan Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 14:13 on Jun 21, 2022 |
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It'll be interesting to see how that one plays out. It will presumably reduce smoking, but will it lead to an uncontrollable black market? Also, there's a point where you've functionally just banned cigarettes.
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# ? Jun 21, 2022 14:21 |
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Well the cops lied about rifles and shields, too. It wasn't just "oh we only had pistols". They had rifles. https://www.texastribune.org/2022/06/20/uvalde-police-shooting-response-records/ quote:“If there’s kids in there, we need to go in”: Officers in Uvalde were ready with guns, shields and tools — but not clear orders quote:One such officer, a special agent at the Texas Department of Public Safety, had arrived around 20 minutes after the shooting started. He immediately asked: Are there still kids in the classrooms?
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# ? Jun 21, 2022 14:27 |
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Blue Footed Booby posted:Also, there's a point where you've functionally just banned cigarettes. Current law actually prohibits banning cigarettes completely. That's why they are using executive action to remove 99% of nicotine under the authority of a cigarette regulation bill passed under Obama.
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# ? Jun 21, 2022 14:33 |
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Vahakyla posted:Well the cops lied about rifles and shields, too. It wasn't just "oh we only had pistols". They had rifles. So yes, the Uvalde cops were just a bunch of cowards then, as suspected
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I need to do more reading on this proposed cigarette change. At root, the greatest harm involved is the nicotine itself for its addictive effects; I'm concerned with any policy plan that doesn't ultimately countenance strangling the nicotine industry (but if that were the goal, they likely wouldn't state it). There's going to be a tremendous amount of misinformation floating around regarding the underlying research.
Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Jun 21, 2022 |
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Blue Footed Booby posted:It'll be interesting to see how that one plays out. It will presumably reduce smoking, but will it lead to an uncontrollable black market? I don't think it will do either. It'll just shift every smoker to e-cigs and vapes, like the article mentions.
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If you think anti-choice groups are going to stop with just abortion being legal, they are not https://twitter.com/robinmarty/status/1538913668376760320 They have boilerplate legislation ready to go that will stop people form even having access to or sharing information.
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Discendo Vox posted:I need to do more reading on this proposed cigarette change. At root, the greatest harm involved is the nicotine itself for its addictive effects; I'm concerned with any policy plan that doesn't ultimately countenance strangling the nicotine industry (but if that were the goal, they likely wouldn't state it). It says in the article that it isn't a ban on nicotine in every product - just tobacco products. Nicotine has health risks by itself, but the vast majority of health risks from smoking comes from the tobacco and other products. Gum, patches, and e-cigs won't be required to remove all of their nicotine. Part of the further study and follow-up plan involves people switching to other sources of nicotine. The goal is to make cigarettes essentially non-addictive to prevent people from getting hooked in the future and make people currently addicted to nicotine switch to less deadly options. quote:Cigarette smoking is the most dangerous way to consume nicotine, according to public-health officials. While very-low-nicotine cigarettes are less addictive, researchers say, their smoke still contains most of the same carcinogenic compounds as regular cigarette smoke. FDA officials have said the goal of the policy is to prevent future generations from becoming addicted to cigarettes and to help current smokers quit or switch to less-harmful alternatives. According to an FDA study published in 2018, such a rule would prompt an additional 13 million adult smokers to quit within five years of implementation. quote:“The most harmful effect of nicotine is sustaining addiction to cigarettes,” Dr. Benowitz said. “If you need to take nicotine, you don’t need to take it in a way that will kill you.”
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Jaxyon posted:If you think anti-choice groups are going to stop with just abortion being legal, they are not This will be the fugitive slave act 2.0: this time, the Supreme court will be fine with it. They will 100% compel states to arrest people in violation of other state's laws and extradite them.
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# ? Jun 21, 2022 15:31 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It says in the article that it isn't a ban on nicotine in every product - just tobacco products. I understand that. Addiction is, itself, a health harm, and a deeper civic harm. The long term goal should be to end the consumption of nicotine.
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Vahakyla posted:Well the cops lied about rifles and shields, too. It wasn't just "oh we only had pistols". They had rifles. It is my honest hope that if there is one good thing to come about from this tragedy, it's that gun control advocates are able to use the police's lack of a response to the crisis to ram through some form of gun control, because we know for a fact that the "A good guy with a gun" line we kept getting fed is just a load of BS. 5 officers in that image, and apparently that was too few to even try bringing down the "bad guy with a gun".
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# ? Jun 21, 2022 15:31 |
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It says in the article that it isn't a ban on nicotine in every product - just tobacco products. Yeah, that's the reason nicotine is a big problem. On its own it's a drug that isn't impairing and only has serious long-term health impact at much higher dosages than anyone uses in practice, so it would be lower impact than almost any other recreational drug. It's just both fantastically addictive and tied to an incredibly harmful delivery method(that got socialized into being cool for kids to take up besides.) If you decouple it from the second, who gives a gently caress if nicotine gum is still around.
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# ? Jun 21, 2022 15:40 |
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It makes a lot more sense to reduce the amount of nicotine in cigarettes than to do what Canada has done, which is essentially the opposite: limit the amount of nicotine in tobacco-free alternatives and make them less desirable, while basically not restricting the amount of nicotine present in tobacco products. For example, tobacco-free snus must have <4 mg nicotine/pouch to be legal to even import into Canada, yet traditional tobacco snus available for sale here has up to something insane like 28mg/pouch. Vapes are also limited as to strength, unlike cigarettes, and of course the government is trying to ban flavours entirely. I think this proposal to make cigarettes/tobacco the least attractive form of nicotine use, rather than arguably the most attractive and most accessible, is actually quite clever.
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# ? Jun 21, 2022 15:46 |
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As expected, SCOTUS takes another hammer blow at the Establishment Clause https://twitter.com/scotusblog/status/1539254884670877696?s=21&t=aSXY0NvaHzheX594Y8uCSQ
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FlamingLiberal posted:As expected, SCOTUS takes another hammer blow at the Establishment Clause Sotomayor calls it for what it is at least. https://twitter.com/davidjoachim/status/1539258332564885505
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Biden considering supporting some measures to reduce gas prices, but basically all of them are destined to go nowhere. - Biden is considering supporting a federal gas tax holiday (current federal gas tax is ~18 cents per gallon), but the effort is likely dead in Congress. - Biden is considering supporting sending out gas rebate cards, but the effort is likely dead in Congress and, even if it wasn't dead in Congress, they don't know if there are enough chips available to send gas cards to everyone due to the current chip shortage. - He is calling the heads of all the major gas companies to the White House to meet with staff "so I can get an explanation of how they justify making $35 billion in the first quarter" and because he wants "an explanation from them on why they aren't refining more oil." Says he is ruling out meeting them personally, though. There's very few options the U.S. can do to lower gas prices and this is most likely a publicity stunt to look like he is trying and is not going to lead to any meaningful change in prices. Even if U.S. refining was the one thing keeping global oil prices high (it is not), it would still take multiple years to expand refining and extraction capacity. The latest student loan info: - Biden will announce his student loan cancellation plan sometime near the end of July or August. - Details aren't finalized, but it will likely be $10,000 flat forgiveness for everyone as a base. Modifications they are considering: 1) Increasing the amount forgiven for lower-income debtors with high balance loans. 2) Excluding people who have been in the top 3% of incomes (~$313,000 per year) for the last 3 years in a row. 3) Asking Congress to authorize the Secretary of Education to waive interest on existing loans and issue no interest student loans (not going anywhere in congress). - Student loan pause that expires in September likely to be extended at least one more time until 2023. Also, Biden didn't explicitly say that BBB negotiations are totally dead, but said that he is very confident that they can get price caps on insulin, reductions in Medicare costs, and "some" investments in renewable energy passed before the election. He said negotiations are currently underway for those and nothing is happening regarding a larger BBB right now. Seems to indicate that they are taking the drug pricing and some renewable provisions out of BBB, trying to pass them together via reconciliation before the election, and letting the rest of it die for good. https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1538968941644636161 https://www.businessinsider.com/student-loan-forgiveness-decision-near-biden-pause-extension-on-table-2022-6 Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 16:08 on Jun 21, 2022 |
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Every time they extended the student loan moratorium the harder they make it to justify turning them back on again. The fact that the material details of the economy, inflation, cost of goods, etc., are dramatically worse than they were at the start of 2020 doesn't make the case any easier too. What the gently caress are they even doing.
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Zophar posted:Every time they extended the student loan moratorium the harder they make it to justify turning them back on again. The fact that the material details of the economy, inflation, cost of goods, etc., are dramatically worse than they were at the start of 2020 doesn't make the case any easier too. What the gently caress are they even doing. At least the federal government's paralysis and inability to make any tough decisions is benefiting people instead of hurting them this time?
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Right now someone is probably making the case that student loan payments suck money out of the economy and would help with inflation
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What good does freezing the gas tax do? It's coroorate greed, not regulation jacking uo the price, right?
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It’s been really loving awesome to have friends who finished their SLFP without paying anything for two years.
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FlamingLiberal posted:As expected, SCOTUS takes another hammer blow at the Establishment Clause A revolting, abominable institution. haveblue posted:Right now someone is probably making the case that student loan payments suck money out of the economy and would help with inflation I'm 99% certain I've seen this take at least once already from one of the CNBC or Fox Business talking heads, next time the moratorium is on the chopping block I'm pretty sure it's going to be trotted out a lot now that they've figured out that they can just say whatever they want will fix inflation and nobody will call them out on it
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# ? Jun 21, 2022 16:22 |
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Star Man posted:What good does freezing the gas tax do? It's coroorate greed, not regulation jacking uo the price, right? it would look good and it might knock a dollar off or so, gas will probably slowly fall and if biden at least does vague poo poo to try to alivate the pain at the pump, it might help him and the situation a bit.
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Discendo Vox posted:Addiction is, itself, a health harm, and a deeper civic harm. This is an outdated view of addiction, one that isn’t currently held by any major addiction medicine organization. Please educate yourself further before speaking out on topics of which you are ignorant. Willfully spreading this disinformation is harmful.
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Star Man posted:What good does freezing the gas tax do? It's coroorate greed, not regulation jacking uo the price, right? According to the CNN article, it would reduce gas prices for consumers by about 14.2 cents per gallon and gas retailers would make an additional 4.4 cents per gallon on retail sales. It's not going to happen either way, but the appeal is that it is something they can do that has an immediate impact. The gas tax pays for the federal highway fund, so a lot of congressional Democrats are against it. Dapper_Swindler posted:it would look good and it might knock a dollar off or so, gas will probably slowly fall and if biden at least does vague poo poo to try to alivate the pain at the pump, it might help him and the situation a bit. The federal gas tax is only 18.6 cents per gallon. It won't knock anywhere near a dollar off, even if 100% of the reduction went to retail prices. As noted above, the estimate is a 14.2 cents per gallon reduction in retail prices. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 16:31 on Jun 21, 2022 |
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Star Man posted:What good does freezing the gas tax do? It's coroorate greed, not regulation jacking uo the price, right? Yeah that's right, and not to mention the gas tax is a pretty tiny part of the overall price at the pump. There'd be far more savings for consumers if a price ceiling was implemented but if they aren't even gonna be able to get a gas tax holiday out there then it's a total pipe dream to think that could happen. Which just gets to the fact that the simplest, most efficient way to help people with rising gas prices would be to give them money with no strings attached. Which also won't happen but hey.
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Epic High Five posted:A revolting, abominable institution.
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Star Man posted:What good does freezing the gas tax do? It's coroorate greed, not regulation jacking uo the price, right? It's something for the dummies that think the president can do anything significant about the price of gas and blame him for it.
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The gas tax is effectively half of what it was in 1993, which was the last time it was increased. At $0.18 / gallon, the gas tax represents approximately 3.6 percent of the cost of gasoline.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Jesus Christ Can't take down an 18 year old kid and too scared to even try while armed to teeth with tax payer funded weapons. Blue Footed Booby posted:It'll be interesting to see how that one plays out. It will presumably reduce smoking, but will it lead to an uncontrollable black market? I kind of wish they would and finally force my dumb rear end to quit since nothing else works but, AFAIK, the nicotine isn't itself isn't all that dangerous. It's all the other poo poo. And like someone else pointed out, I could easily see a black market underground criminal solution popping up to solve this. Prohibition, as we know, doesn't work too well and people are gonna drug so I don't know either.
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Crows Turn Off posted:I honestly, truly believe there is no way out of this mess for the US. This is one of many explicitly religious decisions they're making. Explicitly religious, but only for Christianity. I don't foresee this group granting the same kinds of bonus rights to other religions.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:It'll be interesting to see how that one plays out. It will presumably reduce smoking, but will it lead to an uncontrollable black market? Or people will smoke more to get their fix.
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Seyser Koze posted:Or people will smoke more to get their fix. According to the study, people only smoke more if they gradually reduce the nicotine. If they reduce it all at once, then a majority quit smoking or switched to other nicotine sources. It also prevents huge amounts of people from getting addicted in the first place. quote:The researchers found that if cigarettes’ nicotine strength was reduced moderately, smokers would inhale more deeply or smoke more cigarettes to compensate and satisfy their nicotine cravings. But if smokers used a research cigarette with about 95% less nicotine than a typical cigarette, they smoked fewer cigarettes and had decreased dependency.
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BiggerBoat posted:I kind of wish they would and finally force my dumb rear end to quit since nothing else works but, AFAIK, the nicotine isn't itself isn't all that dangerous. It's all the other poo poo. And like someone else pointed out, I could easily see a black market underground criminal solution popping up to solve this. Prohibition, as we know, doesn't work too well and people are gonna drug so I don't know either.
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There's no real incentive to pass a gas tax holiday through to the consumer, this would just increase profits.
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Seyser Koze posted:Or people will smoke more to get their fix. It seems hard to believe people will take a 99 cigarette smoke break
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Elon Musk is speaking at an economic Q&A in Qatar. - He confirmed that he is moving forward with his plan to create a Super PAC that will fund "moderates who aren't on the super extremes" in congressional races and Ron DeSantis for President. He says he currently plans to "only" contribute $25 million and will see where it goes from there. - He is still hedging about whether he will go through with the Twitter deal. Saying that Twitter hasn't provided him with the information on bots he has asked for. - Tells people to buy Dogecoin and says he will purchase more Dogecoin in the future. - Says Tesla will reduce its salaried workforce by 10% in the next 3 months, increase its hourly workforce, and end remote work for most employees. - Says that he has to take everything into consideration for his businesses, but doesn't foresee making any concessions to China regarding Twitter to support his Chinese Tesla production plants. - Says his goal is to get "half of the world's population" on Twitter in the next 5 years. https://twitter.com/business/status/1539157866250133505
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Sotomayor calls it for what it is at least. Not enough to stop being good friends with the people leading the court in that direction, of course.
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Yinlock posted:Not enough to stop being good friends with the people leading the court in that direction, of course. Truly this is the greatest crime of the supreme court.
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