Old Swerdlow posted:

lol

The CBC is filming at my work today and they want everyone in the store to not wear masks as a way to present that covid is done and gone to the public that are watching the segment being filmed here.

https://youtu.be/KsZJKpbEoNE

EvilJoven posted:

4 weeks? Holy poo poo that's wild.

Oh well.

Mr. Apollo posted:

I would complain to the CBC ombudsman.

infernal machines posted:

This is possibly the funniest thing to have been posted in this thread since it was made.

cbc i guess posted:

The world’s first ombudsman was established in Sweden in 1809. CBC and Radio-Canada appointed their respective ombuds in 1992.

PT6A posted:

Do tell them to gently caress themselves, on my behalf.

RBC posted:

Can you share some of those articles about the dropping of restrictions?

quote:

Health Minister Jean-Yves Duclos pointed to a better public health picture across Canada as justifying the changes to travel and federal workplace rules at this time. The sixth wave of the pandemic in Canada is in clear decline with fewer infections, hospitalizations and patients in intensive care than just weeks ago. He warned if things worsen in the fall, the mandates could be revived.

Duclos characterized the decision to drop vaccine mandates as a “suspension” and insisted that a third or fourth dose of vaccinations are the best protection against getting sick or dying.

A senior government official, speaking on a background-only basis, conceded the public’s mood around vaccination mandates and perceived personal risk has shifted and an even tougher mandate — one that required three doses — immediately “would not get us ready for the fall” when infections could rise again, especially as vaccines are already being tweaked for new variants and by the end of the summer, boosters could be very different.

The insider said “behavioural science” also points toward easing restrictions now: “We want people to get in position where they want to get a third dose and not have it become a national resentment.”

The national vaccination campaign in its early days was a success, with some 90 per cent of Canadians aged over five getting a first dose. More than 82 per cent of the broader Canadian population has received two doses. Of the eligible population (age five and over) that number is 86.4 per cent. But only 49 per cent of the overall population is vaccinated with a third dose.

Still, a senior cabinet minister said that inside government there was a recognition that “it was time to move on” as Ottawa reserves the option to change its mind in the fall if the situation deteriorates.

Vaccination mandates remain for cruise ship crews and passengers because they “are in close contact with each other for an extended period of time,” said Transport Minister Omar Alghabra. There are no changes for travellers entering Canada, and no changes to masking mandates on federally-regulated planes and trains. Duclos and Alghabra each said the changes announced Tuesday were “guided by science” that involved looking “at all the options and all the data that we have.”

But the federal government and top public health officials have struggled to convey that science to Canadians in recent months, with the chief public health officer stating last week that dropping mandates and other measures involved a “complex decision-making process.”

“I’m not going to give you the number of cases or the number of hospitalizations a day, because that’s really quite complicated,” Dr. Theresa Tam said, adding that such decisions would need to factor in vaccine coverage rates and mandatory random testing — a measure Ottawa scrapped in airports on Saturday.

Indeed, ministers grappled with contradictory messaging Tuesday on several fronts. Duclos said mask mandates on planes and trains protect people “in environments where there is limited space and close contact”, even as provinces have begun axing the same measure on public transit.

What’s more, the federal government opted not to update the definition of a fully-vaccinated person to reflect three or more doses, despite repeated assertions that two doses of a COVID-19 vaccine no longer provides adequate protection in the wake of the Omicron variant. And while ministers cited unseen “data” as the reason behind why vaccine mandates for Canadian travellers could be dropped, Ottawa is still requiring all foreign nationals entering the country to be “fully vaccinated” — with two doses.

Toronto Liberal MP Nathaniel Erskine-Smith said a lack of transparency from officials in the last six months on the science behind mandates led to weak public support for continuing the measure. “Unquestionably, there was inertia,” he said. He added that Tuesday’s announcement was made with the recognition that “while the mandates were important when they were first introduced, they don’t serve the same usefulness today, and (the government) has listened to caucus.”

As for the government’s warning that mandates could be brought back in the event of a serious fall wave, Liberal MP Chris Bittle said such a move would likely be unpopular. “It’s always going to be a challenge,” he said, adding that removing mandates doesn’t mean “mission accomplished, COVID’s over.”

quote:

Even as fewer cases turn deadly, the unprecedented number of infections this winter and spring has created significant problems of its own. In the United States, one in five adult survivors of Covid under 65 has dealt with some version of long Covid, a recent study found. Many people have missed work, including doctors, whose absences this spring have periodically strained hospitals that already had staffing problems.

Dr. Karan, of Stanford, said that he had lingering symptoms from a January bout with Covid until April. A month later, he was infected again. As of last week, he said, with the subvariant surge hitting California, his team of five doctors at one of the hospitals where he works had been reduced to two because of Covid absences, forcing delays to consultations for some patients.

In the Northeast, where cases have been falling for several weeks, Dr. Ranney said that Covid patients had generally been spending less time in the hospital during the latest wave.

They had also been presenting differently, she said. In previous surges, patients’ most pressing difficulties tended to be the direct result of Covid, like low oxygen levels or severe pneumonia. This spring, she said, more patients needed care because Covid had exacerbated underlying conditions, like diabetes or heart trouble.

“This wave feels qualitatively and quantitatively different,” Dr. Ranney said. “We’re not seeing our I.C.U. get filled up with patients who are gasping for breath or who are on death’s door.”

Mr. Apollo posted:

I would complain to the CBC ombudsman.

Baronjutter posted:

I've been dealing with some local trades folks to get some things done and the spectrum of covid opinions and legends I'm getting from meeting all these people are amazing.

-Guy only has 1 dose, he felt a little odd after it so declared the whole vaccine thing dangerous and he doesn't want to take the risk. He's had covid a few times, it hits him worse every time but he's SURE he's building up a long term immunity. I mentioned that all the long term studies seem to point to it loving up your immune system long term and you can't just become immune to covid by having it enough, he agreed that was probably right but said "we'll see"

-Another guy is triple vaxxed but is super against masks. Thinks they are rude and cowardly and a sign that we'll letting the virus control us. He's got kids and although his kids have all had covid now, he's mostly worried about their social development due to not seeing "enough unmasked faces". He said he gets angry when he sees people wearing them in grocery stores and how anyone wearing masks still clearly just want covid to never end and need therapy.

-Guy who is double vaxxed and very supportive of that, but thinks anyone who got the 3rd is an idiot. He was absolutely firm that the 3rd shot "kills your ability for natural immunity". The key is to get only 2, catch covid, and that will all combine to make you naturally immune. If you get a 3rd dose your immune system gets lazy and dependent and you'll have to keep getting vaccines every year and that's horrible.

-A few guys who took covid very seriously but thinks the virus cares about human concepts like fairness. They kept talking about how everyone "put in their time" and "made sacrifices" so it's only fair for covid to be over because "enough is enough"

Baronjutter posted:

I've been dealing with some local trades folks to get some things done and the spectrum of covid opinions and legends I'm getting from meeting all these people are amazing.

eXXon posted:

InfiniteZero posted:

You'd think people in trades would actually have a better understanding of safety precautions, at least in theory.

A friend of mine who owns a machining shop had a delivery person who kept coming in and refusing to wear a mask when he did so. Told my friend "masks are just theatre, I've had covid and now I'm naturally immune, do your research". Friend explained that it's great that he did his research but that if he also explained that he "did research" and wanted to walk onto the shop floor while they were welding and his research said he didn't need to be wearing goggles when he did so, he would ALSO be telling him to get the gently caress out then, so ... get the gently caress out until you wear your loving mask, moron.

InfiniteZero posted:

You'd think people in trades would actually have a better understanding of safety precautions, at least in theory.

InfiniteZero posted:

You'd think people in trades would actually have a better understanding of safety precautions, at least in theory.

A friend of mine who owns a machining shop had a delivery person who kept coming in and refusing to wear a mask when he did so. Told my friend "masks are just theatre, I've had covid and now I'm naturally immune, do your research". Friend explained that it's great that he did his research but that if he also explained that he "did research" and wanted to walk onto the shop floor while they were welding and his research said he didn't need to be wearing goggles when he did so, he would ALSO be telling him to get the gently caress out then, so ... get the gently caress out until you wear your loving mask, moron.

InfiniteZero posted:

You'd think people in trades would actually have a better understanding of safety precautions, at least in theory.

A friend of mine who owns a machining shop had a delivery person who kept coming in and refusing to wear a mask when he did so. Told my friend "masks are just theatre, I've had covid and now I'm naturally immune, do your research". Friend explained that it's great that he did his research but that if he also explained that he "did research" and wanted to walk onto the shop floor while they were welding and his research said he didn't need to be wearing goggles when he did so, he would ALSO be telling him to get the gently caress out then, so ... get the gently caress out until you wear your loving mask, moron.

eXXon posted:

https://twitter.com/SquizzSTK/status/1494870530029416449

InfiniteZero posted:

You'd think people in trades would actually have a better understanding of safety precautions, at least in theory.

Furnaceface posted:

I used to work with a nurse turned pharmacist that didnt believe in vaccines, thought masks trapped the virus in your maw making symptoms and the infection worse, and hated using hand sanitizer because it killed all the good bacteria.

Furnaceface posted:

I used to work with a nurse turned pharmacist that didnt believe in vaccines, thought masks trapped the virus in your maw making symptoms and the infection worse, and hated using hand sanitizer because it killed all the good bacteria.

Also worked with an engineer that never once wore a hardhat because he never saw anyone got hurt at a construction site and hated how it made his bald head sweat.

Turns out even smart people can be real dumb.

e: Our politicians spending more time consulting business leaders and company CEOs than scientists and healthcare workers to dictate COVID policy kind of falls into this too. Its actually kind of depressing.

Furnaceface posted:

I used to work with a nurse turned pharmacist that didnt believe in vaccines

Vintersorg posted:

Should have their licenses taken away. gently caress any medical professional being an anti-vax piece of poo poo. What an embarrassment and just some dumb gently caress collecting a pay cheque.

Mr. Apollo posted:

There was a pharmacist at my gym who moved to Thunder Bay becuase he said he was sick of all the "purple haired soy boy simps in the GTA".

Fidelitious posted:

My sister-in-law is a nurse that has done quite a bit of time in covid wards. She was and is fully in support of all the covid measures (vaccines, masks, etc.), she just didn't have interest or time in keeping up with the knowledge on covid besides what she was told in the course of her job. Thus we encounter her telling us something about how covid isn't airborne, you only have to worry about the droplets and medical procedures that potentially aerosolize the virus. This was just a few months ago.

It has been known that covid is airborne for quite a while now, even if it did take the WHO a long-rear end time to actually say it themselves.

No matter who the person is, if they aren't fully invested in keeping up to date, they're going to hear things from other ignorant people and take it as truth. And so the cycle of misinformation continues.

InfiniteZero posted:

On the one hand sure but on the other, I don't find it surprising when people working within a system become deeply suspicious and cynical about that system.

evilpicard posted:

If we acknowledge airborne spread which we knew about by April 2020 or so we would have to upgrade building ventilation instead of pretending to sanitize door knobs.