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Nodosaur posted:Whitehead didn’t work on this. It was Headcannon Fixed. Looking it up it seems Whitehead wasn't involved other than updating the engine to allow it to run in a compilation.
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Zonekeeper posted:2 possibilities, and I'm not sure which is worse: I’d rather blame Sega for this. They probably gave Senoue two days and fifty bucks
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Jun 21, 2022 20:09
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it's my fault. i'm the one to blame
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Jun 21, 2022 20:11
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The tracks are bad because the compositions are bad. The prototype tracks could never hold up to the Jackson/Buxter originals.
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Jun 21, 2022 20:13
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Feeling real good about getting the old PC version before they pulled it to run Sonic 3 AIR, that's basically everything I'd want from a modern Sonic 3 port anyway
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Palmtree Panic posted:The tracks are bad because the compositions are bad. The prototype tracks could never hold up to the Jackson/Buxter originals. Like just because they can’t compete with the originals (and that’s subjective, but I do agree they don’t) doesn’t mean we have to get worse versions of them.
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Ms. Unsmiley posted:it's my fault. i'm the one to blame i forgive you
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oh no now we’re gonna have to wait 5 whole minutes for people to crack the game and replace the ice cap music, the horror
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Jun 21, 2022 20:34
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Ehh it's not a big deal to me. I could see the songs being changed to the more proper versions in a patch as well.
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Yeah… the new music leaves a lot to be desired, except for maybe Launch Base Act 2 and Ice Cap Act 2. To be fair though, the prototype tracks, S&K Collection midis, and these new renditions are all based on demos that we haven’t heard and so far only Jun has access to. We also know that, based on the other tracks in the rom, the prototype versions are incomplete and have wonky sound levels and instrumentation. I’m willing to bet that these renditions are closer to the original compositions than the better sounding fan arrangements.
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Eh, the collection’s still worth it to me if only to finally get the mobile version of Sonic 1, CD, and 2 on a proper console
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Hitlersaurus Christ posted:Yeah… the new music leaves a lot to be desired, except for maybe Launch Base Act 2 and Ice Cap Act 2. This feels relevant https://twitter.com/noahncopeland/status/1539289867615711234?s=21&t=rMp9XK9uTaW2Vk7yid7iSg
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Jun 21, 2022 21:49
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Can I replace songs with the sonic spinball options theme
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Jun 21, 2022 21:51
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Who is to say Michael Jackson didn't also write the prototype tracks
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Proto Ice Cap is pretty much a remix of Crystal Egg from S2GG, which Yuzo Koshiro did the music for.
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Christ knows what happened with Carnival Night here, the others are similar enough but Carnival Night sounds so flat and off-key.
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Nodosaur posted:This feels relevant This seems like a really silly point considering the rest of Origins' OST is using the emulation sound rather than the recorded Genesis, so it sticks out. And the sound mastering values aren't going to fix bad instrumentation choices.
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Christ knows what happened with Carnival Night here, the others are similar enough but Carnival Night sounds so flat and off-key. It's the exact same as the PC version. The melody is at least two octaves down from the prototype and in the wrong key, and a musical sting that used to give some extra energy to the start is just straight gone. It's double the speed of the prototype though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WR8bFSAEV0Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pF35BCOOJyc
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Apparently Sega didn't have a restriction on reviewers just... posting all of the animated cutscenes, so... here are all the animated cutscenes??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvBTdfo4ARM
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Like there's a couple of possible explanations for what happened with Carnival Night. 1) It was always supposed to sound that way. The prototype music was "incorrectly" programmed, the PC version is correct. Jun Senoue just has cloth for ears around this particular song 2) They lost the demo tapes and the genesis version of the songs (that they could just look up on youtube) so the PC stuff was all they had to work with. Doesn't make sense considering they included the proto super sonic theme as-is and that was never even on PC 3) (my random speculation that's definitely 100% accurate) Sega refused to let them reuse material exclusive to leaked betas out of sheer spite. They got away with the proto super sonic theme cause it's in a new context
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Bloody Pom posted:Proto Ice Cap is pretty much a remix of Crystal Egg from S2GG, which Yuzo Koshiro did the music for. No, Yuzo Koshiro did S1GG. S2GG was the CD composers (Masafumi Ogata and Naofumi Hataya) and Tomonori Sawada. It's possible Ice Cap had the same composer since Sawada is also credited on Sonic 3, and Crystal Egg was his track, but the only Sonic 3 tracks he's claimed credit for are the title theme and its arrangements. Fun fact: most recently Naofumi Hataya did the Sonic Forces classic level themes and Tomonori Sawada did the most of the tracks for the Riders games.
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Also jun senoue definitely couldn't be hosed to remind himself how to make genesis music in TYOOL 2022, just like he couldn't in TYOOL 2017 or TYOOL 2010. He played that poo poo on a midi keyboard and it sounds however it sounds and we can just deal with it
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Dabir posted:Like there's a couple of possible explanations for what happened with Carnival Night. It's number 1 Dabir posted:Also jun senoue definitely couldn't be hosed to remind himself how to do genesis music in TYOOL 2022, just like he couldn't in TYOOL 2017 or TYOOL 2010 he used the right soundfont this time!
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Senoue needs to stick to buttrock and leave the Genesis tunes to somebody willing to give a gently caress, because the prototype tunes are hideous.Pigbuster posted:Apparently Sega didn't have a restriction on reviewers just... posting all of the animated cutscenes, so... here are all the animated cutscenes??? Post your paypal so we can send you $40 Screaming Idiot fucked around with this message at 22:40 on Jun 21, 2022 |
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ThisIsACoolGuy posted:Can I replace songs with the sonic spinball options theme The most Genesis of all Genesis songs.
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Pigbuster posted:This seems like a really silly point considering the rest of Origins' OST is using the emulation sound rather than the recorded Genesis, so it sticks out. And the sound mastering values aren't going to fix bad instrumentation choices. I just thought it was worth posting.
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Nodosaur posted:I just thought it was worth posting. I'm responding to the tweet itself not saying you were bad for posting it.
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Pigbuster posted:I'm responding to the tweet itself not saying you were bad for posting it. Okay. I have to admit a lot of this stuff is beyond me. I just know what I like, and I don’t hate the new music.
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Pigbuster posted:Apparently Sega didn't have a restriction on reviewers just... posting all of the animated cutscenes, so... here are all the animated cutscenes??? So this is probably a divisive take but Sega should just make the classic continuity the main one at this point. I'm not even saying they should throw out concepts and characters associated with the modern continuity, just like...port them over to Classic? I just really like the designs where everyone is a little circle person who doesn't talk much. At least just put Tyson Hess in charge of a Sonic animated series?
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The one for the end of sonic 1 where a seventh chaos emerald just shows up at the end like it missed the bus and had to walk
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hatty posted:I’d rather blame Sega for this. They probably gave Senoue two days and fifty bucks I'm inclined either way. Senoue legitimately cannot use a synthesizer, but he really does strike me as a "I'll do what you pay me" type of guy. Hard to say.
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I totally forgot that throw away line in the CD manual about Amy being into taro readings, thanks Sonic Origins
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kirbysuperstar posted:I totally forgot that throw away line in the CD manual about Amy being into taro readings, thanks Sonic Origins An aspect of her character that to my knowledge is only brought up one other time in the entire series (a line in Sonic Battle for the GBA)
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i'd only seen it in a webcomic
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Yeah thinking about it some, I am definitely recalling it coming up in fanfics I read when I was like, 12 or whatever but never anything official
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It's in one of the recent IDW comics as well.
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kirbysuperstar posted:I totally forgot that throw away line in the CD manual about Amy being into taro readings, thanks Sonic Origins    it's a fun little element of her character
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