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Progressive GW is great. You get to watch a whole spectrum of sexualities, ethnicities, and genders get ripped apart by Orks
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 turns out everyone being asleep for millions of years is an ideal time to transition.
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neonchameleon posted:Or even certain loyalist marine chapters like the Bloody Magpies that aren't always doctrinare. I'm now thinking of a 40k knockoff of Monstrous Regiment. Sounds like Rogue Traders.
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*hits obscura* The restriction on women becoming Space Marines is partly a plot by the Adepta Sororitas to maintain their relevance in the Imperium stretching back to the Adepta's founding in the Age of Apostasy. The Emperor never considered women in the Marines because He thought of them as His sons, and successive leaders generally followed this misogynistic tradition, but experiments carried on in secret by apothecaries and unscrupulous Magi Biologus suggested that, with extensive tweaking, you could have female Space Marines, though without His vat-to-battlefield knowledge of the process and the secretive/heretical nature of these experiments the idea never advanced beyond theoretical musings. The greatest of these projects was sponsored by Goge Vandire, who sought to create his own all-female Space Marine chapter answering to him only, drawing from his existing work with the Brides of the Emperor with the goal of eventually supplanting them, a sort of proto-Primaris project to ensure his control over the Imperium. This project actually managed to produce female Space Marines, though it was costly and needed a lot of refinement to be viable, but still it proved that such a thing was possible. Alicia Dominica later discovered this and, horrified by the prospect of her order being replaced and with the Vandirist regime already collapsing, destroyed the labs hidden deep inside Terra, turned on her benefactor and helped install Sebastian Thor into power. In exchange Thor and his new government would ensure that the newly-formed Sisters of Battle would always have a place within the Imperial war machine with its 'no men under arms' loophole. Since then the Imperium has made it an unwritten policy that if any Space Marine chapter tries to extend its recruitment pool it would be fiercely rebuked by the Ordo Hereticus and its militant arm that now benefits from the SM's strict all-male tradition.
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Jun 21, 2022 03:09
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we have no way of knowing which of the approximately seven thousand "heretical but not that heretical and also they don't slow down enough for the inquisition to catch up" chapters recruit entirely from women and just keep it secret from the rest of the Imperium but it's probably all of them.
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Mors Rattus posted:Ghazghkull Thraka: Prophet of the Waaagh!, the non-binary ork is his buddy narrating it to the Inquisition. It's even better than that, the ork translator implies that all Orks are nonbinary and that the few that understand the concept of human gender find it funny. The conversation starts when the translator keeps referring to Ghazghkull as "they" and one of the humans demands they start calling Ghaz "he". The translator basically rolls their eyes and keeps narrating. Really fun book.
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Mors Rattus posted:Ghazghkull Thraka: Prophet of the Waaagh!, the non-binary ork is his buddy narrating it to the Inquisition. I'll admit to being curious. What does it mean for an asexual fungal being to be non-binary? I'm assuming it must be something like "non-binary from a human perspective", but I'm just guessing. If the answer is actually that someone sat down and thought out how the ork fluff interacts with gender roles from an anthropology standpoint, I might have to break my rule about not buying Black Library products.
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Nonbinary might be the wrong word, agender probably fits better. The Ghazghkull book is pretty fun and does some cool stuff with the Orks. It also has an Ogryn character who is just as smart as mainline humans which causes the lead human character to question if everything the Imperium ever told her is wrong. It's pretty good.
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DressCodeBlue posted:
Zak 2.0?? Sorry, but I am still catching up to all of this. First as tragedy, then as farce... Dexo posted:loving lmao, content creation is a sickness. https://twitter.com/thuperdupe/status/1536990066412765185?t=SHP8ZUYk94rtEJBJZRZrqw&s=19 UrbanLabyrinth posted:For those who haven't looked, it's as bad as it sounds. PoontifexMacksimus fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Jun 21, 2022 |
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Xiahou Dun posted:I'll admit to being curious. What does it mean for an asexual fungal being to be non-binary? I'm assuming it must be something like "non-binary from a human perspective", but I'm just guessing. If the answer is actually that someone sat down and thought out how the ork fluff interacts with gender roles from an anthropology standpoint, I might have to break my rule about not buying Black Library products. i imagine a non-binary ork is just, like, a medium-sized one
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Maybe they're outside of the Gork / Mork worship?
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ACBAB (assigned cunningly brutal at birth)
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adhuin posted:Maybe they're outside of the Gork / Mork worship? That's the only binary I know of. Alderman posted:ACBAB (assigned cunningly brutal at birth) Or this. A non- binary ork is neither brutally cunning nor cunningly brutal
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Xelkelvos posted:That's the only binary I know of. They could be both.
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Bunningly crutal.
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Wasn't there some story about a group of orks getting their asses handed to them by Sisters so bad that they decided "warbosses suck actually, time of girlbosses is now"
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You know I've been thinking. I know they're probably not going to do it, but they could 100% have female Space Marines in the Horus Heresy times, given there's canonically been cases where both sides did some experimental rush-jobs to make up the numbers of Legionaries during the fighting. You could even say it's one of things that got covered up post-heresy because dammit, Big E said the Astartes were no boys allowed (with post-heresy survivors probably just eventually perishing to attrition between 40k & 30k without further recruitment and being recorded as male in Chapter records). Depending on what the scale is like for the female Votann heads, I think I'm going to sneak some into my 30k army and see if anyone notices. adhuin posted:Maybe they're outside of the Gork / Mork worship? Maybe they take a page from the AOS Orruks and worship Gorkamorka.
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Went looking for an ADB quite about daemon princes and saw this bit and just went hmmm 
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Regarding that  quote in the Heresy rulebooks, there's this open letter that people might be interested in signing.
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Hadn’t GW also walked back/mostly erased the “orks are fungus” concept? I remember hearing that somewhere and it’s sucks because that is one of the actual cool concepts in all the lore they ever made.
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Bottom Liner posted:Hadn’t GW also walked back/mostly erased the “orks are fungus” concept? I remember hearing that somewhere and it’s sucks because that is one of the actual cool concepts in all the lore they ever made. No. In fact, it’s been embraced super hard, at least in AoS lore.
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They're embracing Orks-as-fungus in 40k, too. In the Ghazghkull book (which I am bringing up once again because it's good) the Ork psychic gestalt is described as a fungus and fungal growth is a motif in Ghaz's visions.
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the orks are basically a fungus version of the tyranids who just dont, on a personal level, realise they're in a hive mind
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juggalo baby coffin posted:the orks are basically a fungus version of the tyranids who just dont, on a personal level, realise they're in a hive mind Not a hive mind. A singular mind. That singular mind is "Fighting and Winning".
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Cassius Belli posted:They could be both. That'd make them Bi (The B stands for Brutally Cunning and BCunningly Brutal)
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More of a more flexible and scalable psychic gestalt than the Tyranids have.
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So are Phoenix and Stone still on the list to do their celebrity GM shtick for GenCon?
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Random Integer posted:People always bring up the lack of women in 40k but even as a kid what stood out to me was how overwhelmingly white it is. Every piece of GW artwork is a bunch of white people murdering the other. The only time you get non-white people is when you have Ethnic Stereotype people from Ethnic Stereotype planet. There's not even a lore excuse for it, Marines are supposed to be able to change skin colour at will but they are conspicuously pretty much always depicted as the whitest motherfuckers imaginable. They've gotten better about having non-white skin-tones in art and the display models but yeah its still pretty much honkytown a lot of the time Improbable Lobster fucked around with this message at 13:50 on Jun 22, 2022 |
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Der Waffle Mous posted:
Hell yeah hell yeah hell yeah hell yeah
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Improbable Lobster posted:They've gotten better about having non-white skin-tones in art and the display models but yeah its still pretty much honkytown a lot of the time I’m still surprised at how little pushback I’ve seen to Bastian Carthalos existing, which is nice.
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DeathSandwich posted:Not a hive mind. A singular mind. The Orks are basically “what if Tomie Kawakami was was a rowdy fightboy instead of a japanese mean girl”
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Mors Rattus posted:I’m still surprised at how little pushback I’ve seen to Bastian Carthalos existing, which is nice. It is in Sigmar so grogs do not care about its wokeness as they already hate it
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Improbable Lobster posted:They've gotten better about having non-whites in aet and the display models but yeah its still pretty much honkytown a lot of the time It looked to me like Vulkan was back to having more Black features in the core book, but I'm no authority on this. (Not that Black people legion is a great look, but portraying one of the setting's few heroes as a PoC is a win imo. If that's what's happening.)
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moths posted:It looked to me like Vulkan was back to having more Black features in the core book, but I'm no authority on this. And boy if you don't get the occasional "Well they're not Black they're just black-skinned."
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Dawgstar posted:And boy if you don't get the occasional "Well they're not Black they're just black-skinned." “Hey we have a chapter full of (relatively, and that word’s pulling some weight) noble and personable Space Marines that mostly recruit from a planet where the population is mostly dark-skinned, should we take this lay-up o-“ “ACTUALLY THAT’S A MUTATION. THEIR SKIN IS ONYX LIKE COAL, AND THEIR EYES GLOW” Amazing how hard GW’s gone in the lore to piss themselves at times. Circutron fucked around with this message at 22:31 on Jun 22, 2022 |
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Dawgstar posted:So are Phoenix and Stone still on the list to do their celebrity GM shtick for GenCon? Satine still has a number of events that are quite pricy and not at all sold out.
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I'm assuming that because they aren't actually charged with crimes or anything conventions are inclined to just do the minimum to comply with existing contracts rather than risk getting sued for breach of contract.
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I can't blame them for not wanting a segregated This Is Where All The Black Characters Are chapter, but instead retconning them into literal coal black mutations seemed like a swing and a miss of rectifying it as opposed to, y'know. Adding black characters to other chapters.
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Speaking of GW, I wonder if anyone has seen the recent drama related to Miniac. I bring it up here because I think it reflects broader issues with GW and its content creators: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6ovp-KjK24&t=866s For those who don't know, Miniac is one of the most popular miniature painting and modelling creators around who naturally does a lot of GW-related stuff. I'm not a huge fan of his schtick (which, as the preview image suggests, can be very YouTube) but he's an excellent painter and produces a lot of informative videos evaluating different techniques and products. In short, he was invited along with a bunch of other content creators to come to Warhammer World to attend Warhammer Fest and contribute to an event launching the new Horus Heresy line. A condition of the invite was sending finished models to GW ahead of time. Some people only had to do one large centrepiece model, while others had to do that plus an entire starter army; he was assigned the latter, but because of real life obligations didn't have time to complete the army, and so paid someone $1000 to do it for him in time. The first part of the video is him rushing to finish the centrepiece in time to ship it from the US to the UK for the event. Skip ahead to Warhammer Fest, Miniac and other content creators were told not to post any new models being previewed ahead of an embargo. He posted some previewed models to his IG, thinking that they had already been shown at a previous event (and to be fair the models did look very similar to those in an earlier preview); he was then informed by GW that he'd broken the embargo and took the posts down immediately, but GW kicked him out of the event, excluded his models from the showcase, asked him to physically leave the property, and terminated their contract with him. Obviously being a content creator is a privilege, but GW's response seems to be way out of proportion with Miniac's infraction. It's also unusual to hear a content creator talk so frankly about the costs and stresses of trying to produce enough to keep up with the demands of sponsorship, including paying someone a grand to paint an army.
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I've seen it some time ago and already forgot about it and this guy. But anyway there was an nda, guy broke it and got slapped for it. If I broke my ndas my anus would be in 1000 years of pain so ech capitalism
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